"Mazda expects to recall RX-8s"
08-27-2006, 07:48 PM
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^^^ I agree. Most arent seeing the problem for 10's of K miles.
And I really dont like being a guinea pig for their research.
But I am sure if the issues come up after this recall, the will still be dedicated for servicing/replacing the engines.
And I really dont like being a guinea pig for their research.
But I am sure if the issues come up after this recall, the will still be dedicated for servicing/replacing the engines.
08-27-2006, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
I'll state it again for those that might have missed it -
You can be WAY down on compression and the car will start and run fine.
You can be exhibiting idle vacuum as low as 30 kPa and still think the performance is OK.
I think it will be suprising to some that their car is "damaged" when it seems OK.
It will also be equally suprising to some that their engines are "OK" yet feel like crap.
You can be WAY down on compression and the car will start and run fine.
You can be exhibiting idle vacuum as low as 30 kPa and still think the performance is OK.
I think it will be suprising to some that their car is "damaged" when it seems OK.
It will also be equally suprising to some that their engines are "OK" yet feel like crap.
08-27-2006, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Japan8
. if you're only testing cars with complaints of the symptoms... then you could be looking at one in category 2, that gets missed at least intially.
Moreover, if your engine fails way down the road, you can probably expect Mazda to still take care of it, even off warranty.
This is a recall - the rules are quite different from a regular warranty claim.
08-27-2006, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Hence, the extension of the warranty.
Moreover, if your engine fails way down the road, you can probably expect Mazda to still take care of it, even off warranty.
This is a recall - the rules are quite different from a regular warranty claim.
Moreover, if your engine fails way down the road, you can probably expect Mazda to still take care of it, even off warranty.
This is a recall - the rules are quite different from a regular warranty claim.
Also Mazda officially isn't paying for rentals, wash and gas after March 1, 2007.
https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...chmentid=84047
08-27-2006, 09:39 PM
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Seems likely I will be on the replacement engine list. I'm ok with all this and think Mazda is trying to do the right thing. I just worry that I will get somebody's beat to crap poorly maintained 50,000 mile piece of crap as my reman. Oh well, can't control that, so I guess I'll hope for the best. Maybe it will be somebody's gently used 3,000 mile cherry!
08-27-2006, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Japan8
Also Mazda officially isn't paying for rentals, wash and gas after March 1, 2007.
https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...chmentid=84047
https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...chmentid=84047
Still can't wait to get this letter in the mail. Hell can't wait to goto my service dept and smirk. I've only experinced something akin to loss of power once and at times I encounter a "hard start" so this recall should be interesting for my car. Otherside I have the pdf's printed up think I should hand it to them or leave them be? I know Zoom's answer already hehe..
08-27-2006, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 4 years to Supercharge
Flash flash flash flash flash flash What happens when they run out of letters for the flashes?
News Flash: "We need to vote on the 8, we are getting stepped on by the masses... of Hondas."
http://www.forbes.com/2006/02/06/cx_showland_japan.html
News Flash: "We need to vote on the 8, we are getting stepped on by the masses... of Hondas."
http://www.forbes.com/2006/02/06/cx_showland_japan.html
08-27-2006, 10:11 PM
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It's interesting... seems like for those who think their engines are fine, and absolutely do not want a re-man, they can just say that they have never had a low idle problem or a severe loss of power, and they'll just get a cat check, new plugs and a reflash, and be on their way. That oughta make several of you happy out there.
It is interesting that if you report a low idle problem or a severe loss of power now, but never have in the past, the way I read it, they won't do the vacuum test - just the test drive. Did I get that right?
It is interesting that if you report a low idle problem or a severe loss of power now, but never have in the past, the way I read it, they won't do the vacuum test - just the test drive. Did I get that right?
08-27-2006, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by RevTo9K
It's interesting... seems like for those who think their engines are fine, and absolutely do not want a re-man, they can just say that they have never had a low idle problem or a severe loss of power, and they'll just get a cat check, new plugs and a reflash, and be on their way. That oughta make several of you happy out there.
It is interesting that if you report a low idle problem or a severe loss of power now, but never have in the past, the way I read it, they won't do the vacuum test - just the test drive. Did I get that right?
It is interesting that if you report a low idle problem or a severe loss of power now, but never have in the past, the way I read it, they won't do the vacuum test - just the test drive. Did I get that right?
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08-27-2006, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SC-ed
How a HF cat will be tested? If test fails what they gonna do? Nothing I guess.
might put the stock cat on just for fun..
from what i was reading the cat problem is related to flooding.. i dont know where the oil dripping into the cat got started.
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08-27-2006, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Japan8
That is true, but what I was indirectly trying to say is that this doesn't convince me that that Mazda is confident that the root cause of the problem has been found and fixed. I'm not seeing how someone who already had 2 engine swaps should be convinced that this third engine swap is going to fix their problem. Yes... Mazda may replace your engine again in the future if the problem occurs again, but I think you get my point... that that isn't the issue. Who wants to keep having their engine replaced every 20k - 40k miles?
EXACTLY!!! Two plus years to figure out you need to enhance the MOP output ??? They should have asked Mederer ... they might have gleaned a clue when RB modified the MOP for FI... long ago. There are bright people in Hiroshima ... but two years for different MOP settings?
Let's just say I'll have a healthy case of skepticism for the next 12 months. 
08-27-2006, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by mark205
EXACTLY!!! Two plus years to figure out you need to enhance the MOP output ??? They should have asked Mederer ... they might have gleaned a clue when RB modified the MOP for FI... long ago. There are bright people in Hiroshima ... but two years for different MOP settings? Let's just say I'll have a healthy case of skepticism for the next 12 months.
Let's just say I'll have a healthy case of skepticism for the next 12 months. think epa.
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08-27-2006, 10:52 PM
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After reading the dealer procedures....
It seems that they are split into two parts:
1. Engine Hard to Start Procedures
2. Low Idle/Loss of Power Procedures
1. With the Engine Hard to Start it seems that everyone will get their leading spark plugs replaced unless the car is new inventory or had their spark plugs replaced (by the dealer I assume) in the last 12 months.
2. With Low Idle/Loss of Power Procedures it seems that those without a recorded history of problems but suffering low idle/power loss will first go through the Mechanic Test Drive portion. If the car fails then the car will go through the instrument diagnostic testing. If the owner has never suffered thru any problems their car will go straight to flash reprogramming.
I suppose it sucks particularly for those suffering problems and their cars do not show it during the test drive. Then they will have to fight to have the instrument diagnostic tests done.
I say do the Mechanics Test Drive procedures on your own before to see if your car has issues.
It seems that they are split into two parts:
1. Engine Hard to Start Procedures
2. Low Idle/Loss of Power Procedures
1. With the Engine Hard to Start it seems that everyone will get their leading spark plugs replaced unless the car is new inventory or had their spark plugs replaced (by the dealer I assume) in the last 12 months.
2. With Low Idle/Loss of Power Procedures it seems that those without a recorded history of problems but suffering low idle/power loss will first go through the Mechanic Test Drive portion. If the car fails then the car will go through the instrument diagnostic testing. If the owner has never suffered thru any problems their car will go straight to flash reprogramming.
I suppose it sucks particularly for those suffering problems and their cars do not show it during the test drive. Then they will have to fight to have the instrument diagnostic tests done.
I say do the Mechanics Test Drive procedures on your own before to see if your car has issues.
Last edited by CarAndDriver; 08-27-2006 at 11:24 PM.