^^^ I agree. Most arent seeing the problem for 10's of K miles.

And I really dont like being a guinea pig for their research.

But I am sure if the issues come up after this recall, the will still be dedicated for servicing/replacing the engines.

 

That does appear to be the case.

 

What's it cost to get a compression check? For those without power loss issues, getting it checked independently will let us know if we have anything to worry about.

 

It is not a cruising speed issue only. Mostly a sitting idle issue and a start up issue.

 

We were talking about causes, not symptoms.

 

it has two forms. i only have one. the second one happens bad / low idle is what happens after the first probelm.

beers

 

That is the cause...

 

the cause is apex seals drying out... the symptom is loss of power at cruise....

the low idle and loss of compression is what happen the cause is not fixed...

beers

 

we agree???

good news for me looks like my car gets to skip the testing... page 19. i love a flow chart.

beers

 

You can do a compression check yourself with a regular compression gauge.
It won't tell you anything about a particular seal, but you should see something in the 120 PSI range for the complete rotor, IIRC.

 

That sucks. I've done plenty of idling.

 

MM, how's that work? Plug the gauge into one of the spark plug holes?

..not that it matters, since I have no such tool.

 

That's about what I've been thinking. Which then leads to... if you're only testing cars with complaints of the symptoms... then you could be looking at one in category 2, that gets missed at least intially. There is also the thought that without more information as to what the root cause is and the solution... going on what we have now... it seems like a situation where even if you don't have the problem now, you could end up with it in the future (there has been some damage, just not enough to fail yet... even with the fix, damage is done and given time it'll fail).

 

Hence, the extension of the warranty.
Moreover, if your engine fails way down the road, you can probably expect Mazda to still take care of it, even off warranty.
This is a recall - the rules are quite different from a regular warranty claim.

 

That is true, but what I was indirectly trying to say is that this doesn't convince me that that Mazda is confident that the root cause of the problem has been found and fixed. I'm not seeing how someone who already had 2 engine swaps should be convinced that this third engine swap is going to fix their problem. Yes... Mazda may replace your engine again in the future if the problem occurs again, but I think you get my point... that that isn't the issue. Who wants to keep having their engine replaced every 20k - 40k miles?

Also Mazda officially isn't paying for rentals, wash and gas after March 1, 2007.
https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...chmentid=84047

 

Seems likely I will be on the replacement engine list. I'm ok with all this and think Mazda is trying to do the right thing. I just worry that I will get somebody's beat to crap poorly maintained 50,000 mile piece of crap as my reman. Oh well, can't control that, so I guess I'll hope for the best. Maybe it will be somebody's gently used 3,000 mile cherry!

 

I think that is mostly a contract deal between Mazda and the dealers. I'm sure that after March 1, 2007 there will be a different contract in place. Notice they mention only car's model year 2001 and on?

Still can't wait to get this letter in the mail. Hell can't wait to goto my service dept and smirk. I've only experinced something akin to loss of power once and at times I encounter a "hard start" so this recall should be interesting for my car. Otherside I have the pdf's printed up think I should hand it to them or leave them be? I know Zoom's answer already hehe..

 

Still losing...RX8-42%, Honda S2000-58%

 

How a HF cat will be tested? If test fails what they gonna do? Nothing I guess.

 

It's interesting... seems like for those who think their engines are fine, and absolutely do not want a re-man, they can just say that they have never had a low idle problem or a severe loss of power, and they'll just get a cat check, new plugs and a reflash, and be on their way. That oughta make several of you happy out there.

It is interesting that if you report a low idle problem or a severe loss of power now, but never have in the past, the way I read it, they won't do the vacuum test - just the test drive. Did I get that right?

 

the way i read it you get both. but if it acts up on the test drive...

beers

 

will ask that ? as i have one on my car... but i fall into the group that has the problem 4 times and has not had the motor replaced...

might put the stock cat on just for fun..

from what i was reading the cat problem is related to flooding.. i dont know where the oil dripping into the cat got started.

beers

 

EXACTLY!!! Two plus years to figure out you need to enhance the MOP output ??? They should have asked Mederer ... they might have gleaned a clue when RB modified the MOP for FI... long ago. There are bright people in Hiroshima ... but two years for different MOP settings? Let's just say I'll have a healthy case of skepticism for the next 12 months.

 

inside the box..

think epa.

beers

 

After reading the dealer procedures....

It seems that they are split into two parts:

1. Engine Hard to Start Procedures
2. Low Idle/Loss of Power Procedures

1. With the Engine Hard to Start it seems that everyone will get their leading spark plugs replaced unless the car is new inventory or had their spark plugs replaced (by the dealer I assume) in the last 12 months.

2. With Low Idle/Loss of Power Procedures it seems that those without a recorded history of problems but suffering low idle/power loss will first go through the Mechanic Test Drive portion. If the car fails then the car will go through the instrument diagnostic testing. If the owner has never suffered thru any problems their car will go straight to flash reprogramming.

I suppose it sucks particularly for those suffering problems and their cars do not show it during the test drive. Then they will have to fight to have the instrument diagnostic tests done.

I say do the Mechanics Test Drive procedures on your own before to see if your car has issues.