Clavius

So I should find one of them tall offical document envelopes and just slip it to them when they finaly replace my visor (if they ordered the right one this time). And tell them "Yeah I found this, some reading material for ya..." with a half cocky smirk.

Tamas

iTrader: (1)

An interesting question regarding the A/T cars... the parts list of the official dealer letter mentiones one part number for the manual and one for the automatic in case the engine needs replacement. Does this mean that they are going to replace the 4-port auto engines with the current 6-port ones? The affected time period is until the first of June this year when A/T cars came already with the 6 port engine.
They couldn't use the same part number unless that'd be the case...but it seems to be highly unlikely that such a thing would happen. In that case, they'd have to add another oil cooler since nowadays the autos are coming with two of those, correct?

Tamas

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Also, did you folks see that we are supposed to get our fuel tanks topped off? Wohoo... free gas

Clavius

FREE GAS!!! Can we do this recall weekly then hahaha j/k ok this nix's my concern about them driving around using my gas! WooT! Now to make sure before I go I run my tank to 1/4 tank hehe.

pdxhak

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That is probably becasue the of the joy ride and and high rpm runs they are going to put on your motor.

Tamas

iTrader: (1)

Not necessarily. If you look at the decision chart to determine what/how needs to be done, a test drive will only be necessary if there is a service history for your car with lack of power / low idle or if you (the owner) report the same concern. Then a test drive (joyride if you will) is mandated. Otherwise this is not needed.
Another question of course if the mechanics are following the instructions by the letter... but frankly, I'm sure those folks usually have better things to do (and less time to **** away) than to just take an RX-8 for a joyride for no reason.

alchemist

If I read the procedure correctly, If you have not had or are having a severe power loss/ low idle problem, then the recall will consist of:

CAT check

Replace leading spark plugs

Reflash

Tamas

iTrader: (1)

Scratch this question... they won't. Further down in the document they list the part number for the 2004-2005 A/T engine only. However that still doesn't make sense since they will obviously not replace a 6-port auto engine with the 4-port one should it have a problem requiring engine swap. So its more likely that the document fails to mention that for the 6-port auto swaps the manual engine should be used.
Or maybe not... I might be totally wrong

loco4rx8

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it looks like they will not provide a rental car for people who are past the 50,000 mile warranty period. My car has 63000 miles on it. And I know there are others here past the warranty period.

Now, I have never experienced any of these problems with my engine and I feel fairly confident that it won't need to be replaced. But it would suck if I had to have my engine replaced and Mazda refused to provide me with a car to drive.

olddragger

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Well,Well--I guess my source WAS right after all Zoom. Remember when we were talking about another flash coming out after the S? It was on the RB's aftermarket flash thread. I will have to send him some doughnuts.
olddragger

MadDashRX8

According to their flow-chart in the repair procedures, I'm heading in sometime soon for a new engine. Just what I wanted to hear... NOT QUITE! High temp ambient, with significant loss of power. Been there, done that multiple times in June. Dealer unable to reproduce the symptoms. I've got it documented in my/their records. We'll see how it goes...


Side note: Should I switch my intake back to stock for this ordeal?!?

olddragger

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Oh and thanks M-8, I will keep you informed --who knows?
OD

BoosTED

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Flash flash flash flash flash flash What happens when they run out of letters for the flashes?

News Flash: "We need to vote on the 8, we are getting stepped on by the masses... of Hondas."

http://www.forbes.com/2006/02/06/cx_showland_japan.html

zoom44

Tamas- Mad Dash- NO

Loco

two rotors

So all this gnashing of teeth and pulling of hair basically for something relatively insignificant.
1I did not see anthing regarding use or not of synthetic oil.
2. Catalytic converter replacement----nothing new this test has been available since day 1.
3.Engine flooding---nothing new here except now you only get leading spark plugs.
4.They are not going to tell you anything about engine vacuum----so you cannot argue with the dealer.

Or did I miss something?

loco4rx8

Thanks, zoom. I spoke too soon. In the Dealer Letter document, it makes it sound like you have to be within the warranty to get a car. But after I read the other documents, it became obvious that they will provide a car.

I have never asked my dealer for a car before, but if I can have a chance to drive a CX-7, I may have to make an exception this time!

Shifty Devil

Damn! I had a '76 RX-3 that developed a coolant leak and smoked like an insect fogger. I never even considered trying to have the engine replaced as a warranty item. I bought it used and assumed it was just something I had to pay for. Maybe I would have, but I never checked.

On the subject of the thread: Anyone think I could have "ruined" my 2004 engine in just 3000 miles? Broke before broken in? I rather doubt it.

New Yorker

Exactly! Despite all the forecasts of doom and gloom, most 8's will get nothing more than new plugs and a reflash. What I found particularly noteworthy is the fact that they won't even do the engine test—let along an engine swap—if you haven't experienced power loss or poor idling.

With apologies to M. Twain, reports of the 8's death have been greatly exaggerated.

saturn

Half of the 8's on the road could need this recall and that's still how they would handle it. You think they'd spend all that time and money to test every car? Like every company they'd rather address the symptom and not the problem.

I don't fault them for handling them that way but I certainly don't fault anyone for having a lesser opinion of Mazda or the RX-8 because of this situation. Whether or not some figurative reports have been exaggerated is irrelevant unless you like to talk in dramatic absolutes.

two rotors

Look I don't wish to appear rude,but you have absolutely no evidence to support your first statement---it is pure unadulterated bullshit! So why would you make such a statement?

PS Do you believe Iraq had weapons of mass destruction?

saturn

I don't think you really read my post because I wasn't making a claim of fact -- I was making a supposition about how Mazda would handle this situation under a different set of circumstances to prove a point about little can be inferred from Mazda's handling of the current situation. I absolutely don't see how their limited testing can be taken as a good thing.

People are making statements with this victim mentality of "look at all the people trying to trash and kill the RX-8 over something of no importance". My only point is that despite your opinion of the situation, some might think this whole ordeal is a bad thing and cause them to think differently of the 8 and/or Mazda.

New Yorker

For the record, nearly every 8 on the road requires this recall—and is getting it. Only a handful of '06's are exempt. Second, Mazda has determined that engines that have not had problems with power loss and idling haven't had the damage requiring testing/replacement. I'm not an engineer but, intuitively, at least, that seems to make complete sense. Why waste time and money testing engines that haven't exhibited even the least sign of having the problem? What's more, do you think Mazda would be stupid enough to go to the great expense (in time, money and bad p.r.) to issue this massive recall and then not be thorough about testing—only to have 8 owners complain about engine problems a year or two from now?? That simply does not make sense. I think you're mistaken—Mazda is, in fact, addressing the problem.

mark205

The point is some engines are indeed damaged. They are damaged due to faulty flash updates over the past two+ years. We have seen in that period of time a litany of the alphabet trotted out as solutions to this problem, including, I might add, the most recent ones. MAZDA has chosen to test their engineering troubleshooting expertise on the buying public. To their chagrin, they have determined that they have damaged a number of engines during this two-year experiment and will need to replace them.

No, it does not make sense to test every engine. However, any good statistician would tell you that conducting a statistical sampling across all engines and not just those that "complain" is the proper way to go.

As to your question about whether MAZDA would be "stupid enough" ... just look at the last two years. Yeah, they are stupid enough. In fact, they are so confident of their latest flash that they saw fit to extend our warantees. If they were really confident, they'd say it is resolved ... no need for an extension.

All we have is the same thing we've had for the last 2+ years ... another flash and a wait and see. Not holding my breath.

zoom44

not only ar ethey addressing the issue of the possible engien failure but they are going but they are also including an issue with some 2006s which is UNRELATED. they want to do everything they can to resolve the issue . but they do hav eto worry about spending TOO much money on this. if your car doesnt have any symptoms now and they hav edetermined tha tno symptoms mean s no damage then i agree with New Yorker.

people arent seeing the larger picture here either - that is tha tMazda is specifically addressing complaints edxpressed on this forum.

1. "i always get asucky *** loaner car" Mazda is asking the dealers to give you a brand new CX-7 or if not an upgraded loaner from the norm.

2. "i got my car back dirty" " they got grease all over my seats" they are asking the dealers to get the cars cleaned inside and out

plus the extended warranty PLUS I can tell they will replace any engine that s fails from this in the future. even out of warranty and showing the recall already done. The techs have been working this for a long time- they believe taking these steps will take care of the problem.

two rotors

So do you actually have any problem(s) with your RX-8?