AsianStyle

I agree that the tsx is also a competitor to the is300, mazda6, rx-8, etc... but all the other cars are rwd and the 6 that isn't rwd can be had for less money. I've also heard that the tsx feels very slow. Even though the car is quite nimble the weight/engine/fwd isn't helping the car. Why the change from my statement of the 330 to the 325? Price? How bout the absence of the g35? Are you stating it can compete with the rx-8, but not with the g35 or 330? I really believe that the 325/330 needs to be changed, due to many of the new competitiors like the rx-8 and g35, which both out perform, priced much less and has many other qualities that are on par with the BMW.

PS I'm not accusing you or anything just wondering why the change in competitors

Skyline Maniac

Oh, I just said 325 because the 330 price range is so much more than the TSX. A 325 would already have sufficient power to go against a TSX. The G35 would also be a competitor of the TSX - I just never thought of it due to the performance difference and platform. I can see why people would cross shop though: Both are entry luxury Japanese sedans from reputable companies. Still, if you line up a G35 sedan (discounted) and a TSX (still going MSRP last I heard), I think most driving enthusiasts would pick the infiniti. The TSX might have better interior though, I am not too sure.

I think TSX is a nice concept, but it really needs to lose a lot of weight to be a viable sport sedan. Recent big motor edition to the family sedan has raised the bar in performance level. It would be kind of embarassing to call TSX, Mazda 6 and IS300 sport sedans when you have grocery getters like the Accord or Altima that can blast to 60 less than 6 seconds.

BryanH

Don't have time to look through 10+ pages of this thread... so is there a link to a video of this Best Motoring test/race in here somewhere?

RX-8 Zoomster

Yes, there is a link, located on this thread, to some clips of the Best Motoring video. Skyline Maniac was generous enough to provide us about 5-6 clips from the video.

But you don't have time to look? You want us to do the search for you?

OK. Here is the LINK for your lazy butt.

PoLaK

iTrader: (1)

Gamera, do u think you could give us the whole rip in the same quality you do always, it would be a big help thanks.

BryanH

My lazy butt thanks you. :p This thread is just so long!

Haris

I wonder who drove S2000? I bet it was that fat dude. He usually always wins. If he raced with RX8, he would have probably won.

eccles

I dunno, but whoever was driving the RX-8 wouldn't know an apex if it jumped up and bit him on the ***! Two corners in a row he turned in so late and wide that he left the door open for the car behind him, and then lost momentum out of the corner. No wonder the others blew past him in the straight. Sheesh.

RX-8 Zoomster

I noticed that too. Also did you see the G35 fish-tailing on that first curve? I definately wasn't impressed. This is where the RX-8 is heads above most of the other vehicles - handling.

Haris

That's same with most skylines I've seen too. They fish tail waaay too much. 7 and 8 are very stable in corners. And yes that RX8 cornered waaaay to late. Even mack could have passed by it.

BryanH

I want to see Gan-San ("that fat dude") drive the RX-8 next time. He is the man!

Does anyone know if the RX8 in this video has the tertiary ports stuck closed? If it does...

eccles

I don't understand a word of Japanese, but I'll wager that the other driver that pointed and shouted something at the RX-8 as he blew past was saying "Amateur!"

MPester

eccles - I didn't see the video, but thanks for pointing that out. Man, I thought someone said they were season racers.:o

That's why the Car&Driver review is more meaningful to me. Each driver do solo runs on the test track in each car. Rather than racing one another.

MPester

Sorry, it was directed at whoever this person is trying to force feed down our throat about this almighty 350Z, G35, G35C.

Haris

How do they decide which starting position each car is in? Don't they get like the fastest lap time car first, then second, etc. If so, then RX8 had very fast lap since it started liek 2nd or something...

Jimmylove

Based on tq/weight ratio.

Haris

Really? Oh I didn't even know that.

hikoboy

sometimes by tq/wt ratio, sometimes by 0-400m times, in which case the fastest car ends up in last to start (at least in the old vids, maybe they stopped doing that).

Ike

Hello everyone, was just cruising around various car boards and came across this very entertaining post and had to reply. Just some random thoughts that are not directed towards all of you nor any one person in particular...


1.) You have not driven the car!

2.) For those of you bashing the S2000, it is an incredible car, go to a local autox and watch it smoke Z06s NSXs and every other car out there

3.) Stop making arguments based off of some video or magazine article

4.) I know you're excited about your soon to be cars but there are plenty of faster and better handling cars out there, but if you love it that's all that really matters

5.) If you bought an EVO I don't think your major concern was tire/break wear and quality of warranty. If you ever line up next to one with the intention of racing just keep repeating to yourself how "but ugly" it is

6.) The G35 is an impressive car, I call foul if you don't feel this way and love cars

7.) 2-3 seconds is not that difficult to lose in one turn, this is why you shouldn't put a whole lot of weight in lap times from mags and videos, and even the best drivers in the world have bad turns

8.) If you're already thinking you will need more power than stock the RX-8 in current form is not for you, it's going to be very pricey to upgrade and the parts are not even available yet. If you want a turbo or supercharged car then buy one! Unless you want to spend a ton of money upgrading a car to something it was not intended to be only to still come up short to much of the competition.

9.) 90% of you will never be able to experience the full potentiel of your car's

10.) Time slips and lap times mean nothing out on the streets

11.) We are all on car sites because we love cars, the drama on some of these sites is just silly, and this thread turned into a witch hunt at one point. Love one another! :p

12.) Listen to Hercules, he makes sense <does his Dr. Doolittle impersonation> Hercules! Hercules! Hercules!

13.) I hope to see some cocky RX-8 drivers at a stoplight near me real soon, I've certainly enjoyed the G35 and 350Z release

14.) To the non cocky owners of these and all cars, thumbs up!


I hope you guys get your RX-8s real soon and it lives up to all your expectations. They should be great cars and I look forward to seeing one in person. I'm in the Milwaukee area if anyone ever wants to talk shop, hell you can come to our WRX meets. :D


Cheers,
Ike

rxeightr

Welcome to the board Ike. Thanks for your fresh perspective.

B-Nez

Thank you! I think 90% of the people on this forum have forgotten this fact!
I consider myself to be fairly cocky (just ask my wife), but I am not a cocky driver. So, thumbs back at ya. Welcome to the forum.

eccles

Well at our local autocrosses, the S2000s regularly get beat by the Z06s. And Miatas. And the occasional MR2. See http://www.spokes.org/Events03/03e7_raw.htm for the latest example. (And if you want proof that a stock Miata can beat all comers, see http://www.spokes.org/Events02/02e1_raw.htm :D )

I'll grant you that the S2000 is a very capable car, but it ain't no 'Vette killer.

Ike

Well I will certainly agree that the Miata is a very capable car, I'm considering buying one or maybe a MR2 if I can ever find a decent turbo for sale for auto x purposes. Unfortunately the allowance of R compound tires in stock class makes me just want to stay in another class with my rex. I am not going to drop R compound tires on my stock car to compete with the other jackasses out there that feel the need to drop obscene amounts of money.

This link shows S2Ks with street tires whooping up on a couple Z06s that had Hoosiers on them.

http://www.waiautox.org/2003/03wai2class.pdf

Just goes to show, driver and how well the car is setup for the track makes a huge huge difference. Yet another example of why you shouldn't put my faith in numbers racing.


Ike

Ike

I find that last link very odd. I used to race 125 cc shifter karts and there is no way in hell any Solo2 car should keep up with let alone beat one around a track. I used to turn laps 5 secs faster than a local instructor in his Modded M3 at a local race track. Are you sure it wasn't Schumacher in that Miata, and that Camaro... someone needs to give that guy to a racing contract.

I'd be curious to see that track layout and track conditions, or maybe the 125 CC shifter guys are just bad drivers. The cream of the crop in karting does not race solo2, so that may explain it.

By the way 10 AE, is that the anniversary edition Miata?

Ike

Renesis08

That is correct.