RX8 and the New Civic
05-05-2008, 06:35 PM
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I don't think "double clutches" means what you think it means. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you watched the Fastst and the Furious and actually thought there was any useful information in there.
The rest of this thread fails miserably as well.
05-05-2008, 08:08 PM
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Well just to clarify, I'm not comparing the Si to the RX-8. All I'm saying is that they are great cars for what they strive to be and don't sleep on them...
05-05-2008, 08:20 PM
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Good lord, doubling clutching? Wow. Keep that up, please, it'll only make you slower. That technique hasn't really been necessary since synchros were invented, but whatever keeps you in VTAK!!!!!!!1 (except double clutching makes the revs drop more....)
VTEC: there's another load of crap. It's been proven on a dyno that Honda tunes their engines to drop power before the cam profiles switch over. So they've sacrificed their powerband so ricers can feel it "kick in," how happy does that make you?
VTEC: there's another load of crap. It's been proven on a dyno that Honda tunes their engines to drop power before the cam profiles switch over. So they've sacrificed their powerband so ricers can feel it "kick in," how happy does that make you?
05-05-2008, 08:50 PM
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sometimes I do double clutching just for fun 
I don't like civic si... just b/c it is civic. But I think I'm going to get a civic for my future son's first car hahaha
(maybe in 20 yrs)
I don't like civic si... just b/c it is civic. But I think I'm going to get a civic for my future son's first car hahaha
(maybe in 20 yrs)
05-05-2008, 10:12 PM
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05-05-2008, 10:22 PM
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lol i guess
but this is what he said we started at 15MPH in first gear ge said he feathered the clutch into the upper rpm ranges.. and then as soon as we took off he didnt drop it and because doing so would cause traction issue (FWD)
when he was about to switch gear he did not depress on the gas instead he times it and QUICKLY shifts into second (With gas still pressed) minimizing the lag.. and does so in all of the other gears..
it really works man
Flame me if thats not what double clutcing is.. i deserve it
05-05-2008, 10:24 PM
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Good lord, doubling clutching? Wow. Keep that up, please, it'll only make you slower. That technique hasn't really been necessary since synchros were invented, but whatever keeps you in VTAK!!!!!!!1 (except double clutching makes the revs drop more....)
VTEC: there's another load of crap. It's been proven on a dyno that Honda tunes their engines to drop power before the cam profiles switch over. So they've sacrificed their powerband so ricers can feel it "kick in," how happy does that make you?
VTEC: there's another load of crap. It's been proven on a dyno that Honda tunes their engines to drop power before the cam profiles switch over. So they've sacrificed their powerband so ricers can feel it "kick in," how happy does that make you?
and if VTAK didnt do anythign why dont i leave the new si's in the dust??? once "Vtak" kicks in
since it does have a drop in power? im not a vtec fan but credit is due where its belongs
05-05-2008, 10:27 PM
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Like i said when hes about to switch gears he switches with the gas peddle still being pressed down and quickly switches gears before the rpms begin to rise to high..
Flame me if i misinterpreted double clutching.
05-05-2008, 10:39 PM
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If you catagorize civic as (STUPID) then why are you contributing to this threads pages??
and if VTAK didnt do anythign why dont i leave the new si's in the dust??? once "Vtak" kicks in
since it does have a drop in power? im not a vtec fan but credit is due where its belongs
and if VTAK didnt do anythign why dont i leave the new si's in the dust??? once "Vtak" kicks in
since it does have a drop in power? im not a vtec fan but credit is due where its belongs
Sigh. VTEC originally described Honda's variable valve timing. i-VTEC is now a bit of a catch-all term for various types of cam trickery, but Honda became so famous for "VTEC just kicked in yo" that the difference in the high and low cam profiles remains very pronounced, though there's not really much need for it to be. Most likely to make this difference even more noticeable, Honda tuners have found a distinct drop in the stock powerbands of their engines just before the cams switch over. I was not saying that VVT doesn't make more power- generally, it does.
And I don't know why you're not outrunning Si's... I don't have too much trouble staying ahead. I suspect the problem may be somewhere between the steering wheel and the back seat.
05-05-2008, 10:39 PM
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double clutch means you: depress the clutch, shift into neutral, let off the clutch, depress the clutch and then up shift
you press the clutch twice... hence the name "double clutching"
you press the clutch twice... hence the name "double clutching"
05-05-2008, 10:45 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-clutching
Sigh. VTEC originally described Honda's variable valve timing. i-VTEC is now a bit of a catch-all term for various types of cam trickery, but Honda became so famous for "VTEC just kicked in yo" that the difference in the high and low cam profiles remains very pronounced, though there's not really much need for it to be. Most likely to make this difference even more noticeable, Honda tuners have found a distinct drop in the stock powerbands of their engines just before the cams switch over. I was not saying that VVT doesn't make more power- generally, it does.
And I don't know why you're not outrunning Si's... I don't have too much trouble staying ahead. I suspect the problem may be somewhere between the steering wheel and the back seat.
Sigh. VTEC originally described Honda's variable valve timing. i-VTEC is now a bit of a catch-all term for various types of cam trickery, but Honda became so famous for "VTEC just kicked in yo" that the difference in the high and low cam profiles remains very pronounced, though there's not really much need for it to be. Most likely to make this difference even more noticeable, Honda tuners have found a distinct drop in the stock powerbands of their engines just before the cams switch over. I was not saying that VVT doesn't make more power- generally, it does.
And I don't know why you're not outrunning Si's... I don't have too much trouble staying ahead. I suspect the problem may be somewhere between the steering wheel and the back seat.
Or maybe my car didn want to unleash its fury and was just relaxing
05-05-2008, 10:47 PM
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also, if you know the exact speed of the engine vs. vehicle speed for the next gear you can successfully upshift/downshift without the clutch. This is very hard and you'll likely destroy your transmission if you do it often. I would also venture to say that it's impossible to while racing.
05-05-2008, 11:10 PM
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lol i guess
but this is what he said we started at 15MPH in first gear ge said he feathered the clutch into the upper rpm ranges.. and then as soon as we took off he didnt drop it and because doing so would cause traction issue (FWD)
when he was about to switch gear he did not depress on the gas instead he times it and QUICKLY shifts into second (With gas still pressed) minimizing the lag.. and does so in all of the other gears..
it really works man
Flame me if thats not what double clutcing is.. i deserve it
but this is what he said we started at 15MPH in first gear ge said he feathered the clutch into the upper rpm ranges.. and then as soon as we took off he didnt drop it and because doing so would cause traction issue (FWD)
when he was about to switch gear he did not depress on the gas instead he times it and QUICKLY shifts into second (With gas still pressed) minimizing the lag.. and does so in all of the other gears..
it really works man
Flame me if thats not what double clutcing is.. i deserve it
Second, the technique your friend is using is called speed shifting. It allows for faster times, but is also hell on clutch wear.
05-05-2008, 11:16 PM
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First of all, I guess your friend hasn't heard of a technique called throttle modulation. Feathering the clutch all the way up would cause some fun clutch wear. Not to mention considering how highly strung a Civic Si is, I'd think that the best times would come from a high rpm clutch drop.
Second, the technique your friend is using is called speed shifting. It allows for faster times, but is also hell on clutch wear.
Second, the technique your friend is using is called speed shifting. It allows for faster times, but is also hell on clutch wear.
thats why i would never do that on my car.
05-05-2008, 11:20 PM
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I've driven a Civic Si and I don't care for the gearbox/shifter, at least where its all located. You kind of have to reach up to shift. Other than that I like the interior of both cars, but I like the RX-8's looks better.
05-05-2008, 11:27 PM
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Maybe instead of the Chewbacca defense, Chef should have used the dykes and ****** defense...
05-05-2008, 11:38 PM
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This is how I do for double clutch:
Press the clutch, shift to neutral
Release the clutch, press the gas to rev
Press the clutch then shift
It's kind of fun to do it and it feels better when shift down. Maybe it's just me but try it hehe
Press the clutch, shift to neutral
Release the clutch, press the gas to rev
Press the clutch then shift
It's kind of fun to do it and it feels better when shift down. Maybe it's just me but try it hehe
05-05-2008, 11:38 PM
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05-06-2008, 12:17 AM
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or power shifting, flat shifting, speed shifting, etc. To double clutch successfully without losing any time would be excellent driving, but that's not what this guy's friend was doing as he's already noticed.
That Si will need a new clutch and flywheel resurface soon if that's what he thinks good driving is. If he really has skill, then he'd take it to the track like the rest of the skilled drivers.
That Si will need a new clutch and flywheel resurface soon if that's what he thinks good driving is. If he really has skill, then he'd take it to the track like the rest of the skilled drivers.
