Originally Posted by playdoh43

that just means your skillz on the sportbike sucks big hairy donkey *****
j/k i dont even have a bike what kinda bike do you have?

Originally Posted by Phantom 4 Door

The Evo looks like that fat chick that no one wants to talk to. The little girl (lancer) who had a boob job (Turbo) to try and get attention.

The Z looks like that sexy blonde but everyone has done her, she is not special, you bang and move on. (I see at least 5 a week)

The 8 looks like that hot *** brunette thats not a Ho, she is the complete package...once you get her you never let go. Oh and she has space to take care of her kids too...

Originally Posted by Phantom 4 Door

The Evo looks like that fat chick that no one wants to talk to. The little girl (lancer) who had a boob job (Turbo) to try and get attention.

Originally Posted by 9291150

Yeah, I wouldn't make any superbike grid, but I'm faster than most...non-pros. Still, 1:40 at Mosport is seriously fast, Mosport is a total sphincter clencher.

My sportbike's a Honda Fireblade. Get a bike playdoh, nothing like it.

Originally Posted by playdoh43

no offense but EVO is one of the meanest looking cars out there that looks like a wild monster ready to unleash at any time. some people prefer that style. bashing it just shows your insecurity

Originally Posted by tmak26b

I think the debate just ended. Both cars dyno roughly at 235-240whp (dyno proven 239rwhp hp here thank you very much), a 20hp loss would show why the Z can inch on a stock EVO at the top end. Thanks for trying, but you might want do some research.

The times sure matter, you kept saying how much better the EVOs are. Prove it! I will be at Road America racing next year, I would not be afraid to show my time.

Why are you comparing a stock car to a modded cars? I can do a lot more if I mod my car too, but then you will be comparing apples to oranges. Is is a standard procedure for guys to make up for short comings by modding the car? Even the RX-8 guys don't do that.

I am clueless, we will let others be the judge of that.

Originally Posted by Phantom 4 Door

The Evo looks like that fat chick that no one wants to talk to. The little girl (lancer) who had a boob job (Turbo) to try and get attention.

The Z looks like that sexy blonde but everyone has done her, she is not special, you bang and move on. (I see at least 5 a week)

The 8 looks like that hot *** brunette thats not a Ho, she is the complete package...once you get her you never let go. Oh and she has space to take care of her kids too...

Originally Posted by Phantom 4 Door

The Evo looks like that fat chick that no one wants to talk to. The little girl (lancer) who had a boob job (Turbo) to try and get attention.

The Z looks like that sexy blonde but everyone has done her, she is not special, you bang and move on. (I see at least 5 a week)

The 8 looks like that hot *** brunette thats not a Ho, she is the complete package...once you get her you never let go. Oh and she has space to take care of her kids too...

Originally Posted by Phantom 4 Door

Playdoh...do you have an RX8? And if you don't what do you have?

Originally Posted by 9291150

My sportbike's a Honda Fireblade. Get a bike playdoh, nothing like it.

Originally Posted by 9291150

Holly ****! 1:40 at Mosport? Is that the long track? Thats even slightly faster than me...on my sportbike!

Originally Posted by Raptor75

All I'm trying to say is that when you look at both cars on the street as bought in 2004 the Z is over 200lbs heavier. The new model is over 300lbs heaver. The fact that you have switched wheel and shed equipment makes the comparison irrelevant. You could also put lighter tires and wheels on the RX as well as removing all tire repair kits, tools, floor mats, ect.... and drop maybe another 45 lbs of weight. Now if you take the base model and do this your still looking at the Z being well over 200lbs heavier. Additionally to be fair you really need to weigh both cars on the same scale. You are also making the assumption that the scale is accurate, which it very well maybe. Can't you see you have way to many variables involved here to make the statement you do. I have the Consumer report that featured both these cars and I do believe they weighed them both. I will look it up tonight and post. I think we can both agree that this should be an accurate weighing of both cars.

As for the AutoX, I will admit that you are far more experienced then I am in these events but when you look at a lot of the results posted the RX-8 pretty constantly beats out the Z. This is simple statistics and with enough sampling will paint a pretty accurate picture.

The fact that CAMBER AND CASTER ARE NOT ADJUSTABLE are not adjustable in the Z which hurts it on the autoX is the same as saying the RX's weak torque hurts it on the track. They are both limitation of the respective cars no more no less. I like both cars and agree the Z's HP advantage will allow it to have the edge on a track but I also believe the RX's superior weight and nimbleness give it an edge in autoX and the results seem to prove this out.

Originally Posted by Ike

Sorry, try again, you do the research. Evo IX's dyno as high as 270whp stock depending on the dyno. On less generous dynos with 91 octance 235-240 is about right. Healthy stock Evo IXs trap 105-107mph, it's simple logic to figure out they make more power than a Z.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthr...ght=stock+dyno
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthr...ght=stock+dyno

Normally I wouldn't compare a stock car to a modded car. But you made the statement that Evos had no topend and went on and on about gearing. So why would modded or stock really matter, it's the gearing that makes the Evo have no topened, right

When I finally make it out to Road America in my Evo I'll gladly post my times. But they won't matter because my car is not stock. Again, this argument was about you claiming the Evo lacks topend so shouldn't we just race down the straightaway?

Originally Posted by tmak26b

Oh my god, do you not know how gears work? I never doubted the EVO making more horsepower, but it loses steam up top because it runs out of gear. You can have 1000hp, but it is no good if you are only allow to use 1st gear. Jesus, it's that simple! I have raced against EVOs before, matter of fact, I lost my FTD to two modded EVO two months ago at Lime Rock.

Here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEF-tQlX-jo

I did race against an EVO, and no, it wasnt a good race because there was traffic ahead of us. Lastly, that was actually a BONE STOCK Evo

Lastly, I don't doubt one bit the EVO can run faster lap times than I can at most race tracks. It's just that, the longer the straight, the less effective the EVO will be as the Z can close the gap back up.

Originally Posted by tmak26b

I understand what you are saying about the variables, that's why I listed the CURB WEIGHT of both vehicles this all begun! You are the one who pulled numbers from Motortrend and other reports. Just to be consistent, we will use the curb weight from both 2004 base model RX-8 and 350Z. In the 2004 sales brochure, RX-8 6 spd was listed at 3025lbs. A base 350Z was listed at 318xlbs, let's use the Enthuasist since it has a LSD and cruise, that will put it at 3197lbs. Even at 3197, how is that 200 or even 300lbs over the RX-8? You do the math here. I am saying the difference in weight is not as big as you think because you have to count the spare tire difference and the extra fuel. I wasnt talking about options and all the other junk. The numbers are from the manufacture, not some third party resource or from personal experience (just as a note, the scale i went on was a CAT scale. It is suppose to be good enough to trade)

As far as autox, I was simply trying to tell you why the Z isnt as popular as the RX-8. Both cars are good fun cars, but I dont think it is a safe bet to assume the 8 is faster at the autox just because more of them finish well at hte autox. It would really help if someone actually field a competitive team. At the local events here, the Z can do circles around the RX-8. It doesn't really mean much. Also I hate comparion cars at autox, there are too many variables.

I am not a RX-8 hater. Matter of fact, I think it has a better suspension (not necessarily faster). I just happen to have experiences in both cars.

Originally Posted by tmak26b

As far as autox, I was simply trying to tell you why the Z isnt as popular as the RX-8. Both cars are good fun cars, but I dont think it is a safe bet to assume the 8 is faster at the autox just because more of them finish well at hte autox.

Originally Posted by Raptor2k

Originally Posted by playdoh43

its in my profile

Originally Posted by Ike

Just because a car regularly does something better than another car does not make that car better at doing that thing that the one car does better.

Originally Posted by Ike

Last post you said both cars dyno roughly the same, now you're
saying you never doubted the Evo makes more power? Since most Evos at a track will be MRs explain to me how they will run out of gear when they can stay in 5th until over 135mph. Pretty funny you posted a video of a GSR on the track after your idiotic statement earlier...

Now find me a track in the US where a stock Evo or Z would break 135mph down a straight (it doesn't exist), and explain to me based on the fact that the Evo MR isn't even in 6th until 135+ how Evos are using overdrive over 110mph like you stated earlier. Hell, even 6th is pretty short and can hardly be called overdrive.

You're a waste of my time, I don't know why I keep posting.

Originally Posted by Ike

Carter Thompson is probably one of the top Solo drivers and past national champ, yet he hasn't been able to win BS against RX-8s. So you can just stop with the "It would really help if someone actually field a competitive team" nonsense.

That brochure of yours also lists the RX-8 as having 250hp, and we all know that number was true So maybe you shouldn't take what you read in a brichure as fact.

Also, why do you keep using the weight for the older Z. Oh, that's right, it's because like a middle aged man they keep packing on the pounds as each year goes by. What are they up to for '06, 3300+. Lastly, the RX-8 curb weight listed by the manufacturer I believe is with "popular equipment" (someone correct me if I'm wrong) and the curb weight for a model with no options is less. In fact have a look here... Even in '06 where the Z is 3300+ the RX-8 still weighs around 3000 lbs.

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/NCAP/Cars/3534.html



Now STFU!

Originally Posted by Phantom 4 Door

G35 Coupe...nice car...would have got it if 3 of my good friends dint have it (honestly)...1 question though. You decided to make a name up, post 1000 times on a website for a car you don't even own, and you are calling me insecure? Im not the one going to other websites to defend my car...simply stating my opinion that the evo doesn't look all too good in my eyes, and guess what, Im talking about it on a site that pertains to me. Whereas you choose to spend extra time defending yours on a site that has nothing to do with you.

Maybe it is just me, but why do we have SOOO many people on this forum without an 8? Do they love this car that much that even though they did not purchase it, they have to type RX8 in the address bar everyday to get off??? And if they don't, and chose to come on here to bash it...don't they have anything better to do?

I propose a new term...NonRX8 Fanboi...those who do not own, or have never owned an RX8 but talk smack about it on this website.

I will admit, most of the banter is fun to read tho...maybe that justifies it.