Ike

I've already proven you wrong about your MR statement, so just give it up. MAYBE that is an MR, but it doesn't have MR wheels on it so my doubting is more than justified. I doesn't matter!

Nope, but I've already shown 2 dynos over 270 and I can post many more with 260+ but I'm not wasting any more time with you. If you can't figure it out from trap speeds alone it's not worth my time.

Why are you talking about top gear. I already pointed out that there isn't a track in the country where you're going to hit 135+ on the straights with either a Z or a Evo. The difference between the Z and Evo in gear ratios is small, it's not going to make much difference at all.

You're also wrong about the PSI, it spikes and then holds pretty steady from midrange to redline.

And yes, that is an old Evo, and yes the Evo IX makes more power.

tmak26b

Look at the picture again, http://www.cartct.com/results/09-01-06/090106219.jpg , it has the vortex thing on the roof. Ever heard of race tires and race rims? Oh wait, ricers wouldnt know the difference.

I hit over 130 at the Pocono Long Course, 135 is not unreachable. I would think VIR, Daytona and maybe Sebring? Burke Airport isnt an open track, but that is another place that might be possible to hit 130. I have always said the EVO is a faster car, I was simply saying the Z can close the gap on the longer tracks. Who is the hopeless one here? You still don't understand you cant use all the power without gears.

Ike

Give it up already, I don't really give a damn if it's a MR or not. FYI, the "vortex thing" is an accessory avilable for any Evo. I don't know how old you are but I'm going to take a guess that I was doing trackdays and competing at nationals in my karts and later an E30 M3 when you were riding your bigwheel around your driveway. So you can save the ricer crap.

An older stock Evo will give something up to a Z at higher speeds, it's not happening with the newer ones. This all started with you making the nonsense statement that the Evo lacks topend. You've done nothing to back up that claim besides make vague unfounded claims like "the Evo runs out of gear" and "you can use all that power without gears".

Respond if you like, but I'm done with you.

tmak26b

I don't think I need to say anything more than the word GEAR. Like I said, I will see you on the track. Best place to settle it.

Raptor75

Unless you measured both cars on the same equipment, like CR did (showing a 260 lbs difference) then your results are going to be suspect.....sorry.

tmak26b

I trust the manfuacture scale and the scale i used a lot more than some others that I havent seen

tmak26b

and you still havent weight your car

DailyDriver2k5

Ike, you have alot of knowledge about Evo's and suby's, but the car with the lower gear ratio(number wise that is) will always have a higher top end. 350Z, sports a 3.7 gear ratio, the Evo sports a 4.??. That 3.7 gear ratio allows the Z to have a higher top end.....When i had my TTZ, us turbo guys would switch out rear ends with the N/A Z guys becase the Twin turbo Z's came with 4.1 gears compared to 3.7 on the N/A Z. 4.1 is Great for acceleration , but not so hot in carrying momentum in the upper spectrum of things.

I said that to say this, if both the current Evo and a 350Z ran aginst each other with somewhat close drivers skill, and went for a top end shoot out, most likely the Z would walk the Evo, maybe not by much(fender to a car), but the Evo would lose ground. It would definitely be close.....

Ike

The higher the number the better the acceleration (usually). The gearing on the Evo gearing doesn't top out to well over 150mph so I see no reason to say the Evo lacks topend, because it simply doesn't. And older Evo will get walked by a Z once you are in triple digits for a little while. It's just not the case with the Evo IX.

Even if I'm wrong is doesn't justify saying the Evo lacks topend.

tmak26b

Your gears are true, but you have to make sure the car has enough power to push through the drag. Also if the car takes too long to rev up at the top gear, is it really worth it?

At the end of the day, both cars will be very similar. The EVO will always get the jump off the corner. As the speed climbs, the Z can inch back up. I have done it many many times (both in front and behind the cars). I personally hate driving in front of them because they would always put the move to pass me, yet they can never finish it. It's just a different kind of car.

Both cars have over 250+hp, they are not slow. I was simply saying the EVO lacks top end compare to the Z. I never said they were slow. If you were to put those two cars on the track, the EVO would win stock almost 75% of the time. The higher speed course will favor the Z more as they have the EVO numbers at triple digits.

While the EVO picked up power for 06, remember the Z did the same exact thing.

On the gear side of thing, it's not just about rear end, transmission gear matters too.

350ZJoe

that's because there is no comparison. 350Z hands down

Ike

Oh joy, another Z fanboi! One with an acute sense of sarcasm as well...

dynamho

I agree that the show is far out, but I think the Power Laps are taken quite seriously, albeit masked in humor.

The grain of salt probably comes from the fact that certain runs are done in the rain and different atmospheric conditions for certain cars, so it's not a level playing field to be sure.

Furthermore, the driver reportedly changes too, which is convenient for the producers, and probably also for manufacturers to send their best drivers(?).

However, for that particular car under those conditions, it's probably a time that's extremely difficult to beat.

In a nutshell, as Ike implies, it's not an accurate measure for comparison, but I'd say, it's a decent gauge to get a general idea of a car's performance balance.

Ike

It's fun and I love the show. But 9 times out of 10 an E46 M3 will beat an RX-8 around a track with equal drivers. But, because of that show a bunch of dillusional RX-8 drivers think their RX-8 can beat an M3.

tmak26b

more like 99.9% of the track. If the M3 can use the power, the RX-8 is in big big trouble.

dynamho

I'd mark these words, stock RX-8 drivers. Probably a good idea not to rev on an M3 or even a 350Z.

Red Devil

I agree...

At the track (GingerMan) over the summer there was a E46 M3 in my run group. We both were relatively the same level of experience. By about noon the driving instructors commented myself and the M3 driver were the best out of the group. All that said, I passed all other cars in my group that day, except for the M3. I was taking the turns better than him, but even at a technical track like that I couldn't overtake him. Just too much power on the two straightaways for me to make-up.

My opinion is the RX-8 is more than capable of keeping pace in the turns, and braking zones. But the lack of power is way too much to make-up for if the drivers are anywhere near equal in skill.

Smokin_LaLa

Your an idiot, go get a life buddy instead of making an account for the purpose of being an idiot

playdoh43

damn this thread is still going

CarAndDriver

Deja vu

dynamho

the undead thread

donack456

Its hard to compare these two though its seems to be done often. The RX-8 is a practical sporty car with 4 doors and fairly comfortable ride, slick smooth 6 speed transmission, with a snazzy power assist power steering. Its over all Sport minded design is innovative and outside the box. It could be said that its the sport car for the man with Kids or family. I don't like all the do's and dont's that comes along with it. Like topping off the oil every 3k pending how hard you drive it, I don't like that the engine will flood if the engines cold and starts and you restart it, I don't like the 14-18mpg in city. I do like smooth seemless propellanted engine. The Mazda is fitness sport car its not as fast as the car it replaces the RX-7 Eifinei 0-60 6.0 - 6.6 times and Quarters as high as 15s. Stay away from the automatic because its a really a bore acceleration wise though it handles well.

The 350Z is a sport car by anyother name it mimicks what a Sports car could or should be. Its has the snazzy exterior design and adequate interior design thats functinal and easy to use. There is not anything that innovative about the 350Z it doesn't have a smooth a ride as the 300zx nor does the 6 speed in the present car shifts as smooth as the 5 spd in the 300zx. Its handling is more then enough for controlled and fast cornering its setup to handle this. Where its shines in not in innovative 1st but in non turbo burst of power, that produces very impressive 0-60 times and quarters times, naturally inspired which means greater reliability. If the Z-car matches your personality it is a Boss Sport car. It stop slightly shorter then the RX-8 and handles almost as well though its harder to take the corners then when in the well balance Rx-8. If you don't have kids or they are grown the Z-car is the two seat Sport car for you, its powerful, fast and handles well. In automatic/trinotronic 5 spd its still a powerful Sports Car, the 6 spd tranny doesn't make the Z as its seem it does the Rx-8.

The Z-car is hard on tires and brakes like other high performance Sport Cars, but its still a expensive factor.

Unless modifided the RX-8 isn't gonna out sprint the powerful Z-car, unless there are lots of continuous turns involved. But if you need room for kids or luggages or want a facier interior design with a slick smooth 6 speed the RX-8 got the Z-car beat.

RX26b

^ What is this?^....sounds like parts were copy & pasted out of a poorly translated sports car article in some dutch auto magazine.

playdoh43

well its better than him starting a brand new rx8 vs 350z thread at least he searched.

delhi

In an old C&D article it pitted the 350z vs. the G35 Coupe. The G35 Coupe won overall. then later it pitted the G35 Coupe against the then new RX-8 and the RX-8 won overall. So by that logic 350Z < G35 Coupe < RX-8.
There was also another old comparo of the rx-8 vs. 350z in edmunds.com and despite the 350z is the faster straight line performer they chose the rx-8 as the overall winner. I think the sum of the entire package of the rx-8 makes it the better car.

I own neither but am a member of this forum and my350z.com as I really enjoy these cars production.