8 years, 100,000 mi extended warranty.
07-18-2010, 05:56 AM
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SilverEight, that worries me of things to come. In the 70K I've had mine I've had the transmission, and clutch replaced as well as the engine. I also have the other issues like the moisture in the tail lights and having both sun visors replaced three times on each side. The last time they weren't under warranty, so it was out of pocket. we do not use the sun visors any more. I still haven't figured out why there is moisture in the tail lights, because it was in the high 90's when the car went in to the shop. Te dealer won't do anything about it, as it's a known issue with these cars. Again good luck with yours, mine has been kicking my ***. This is the first car that has caused so much trouble. It is my third non V-8 car, and my first rotary. I owned two mini trucks in the early to mid 90's that didn't pose any problems. All my other vehicles have been V-8's, so this car is kind of strange.
07-18-2010, 11:39 AM
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Just got back from a mountain run with a friend in his 8. It's a 2004 with over 110,000 mi. and he's on the original engine. Another friend over 100,000 and he has tracked the hell out of his car, the last two or three years has run Time Trials and he has held track records at three tracks. He's still on his first engine in his 04 as well. It's a crap shoot Rhino.
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08-04-2010, 09:30 AM
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since mine is not a daily driver, it only has a little over 16k fun filled miles. i bought my '04 new in oct of '04, so i have a couple of years left. (kewlness)
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08-05-2010, 08:06 AM
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not in europe
this warranty is just for SUA and Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mazda Rx8 is the worse car in the world!
Only problems!
I must change my engine and in Europe i have wuarranty 2 years or 30 000miles.
I don t think is ok!
Is someone who can tell me when mazda will make recall for rx8 in Europe?
Mazda Rx8 is the worse car in the world!
Only problems!
I must change my engine and in Europe i have wuarranty 2 years or 30 000miles.
I don t think is ok!
Is someone who can tell me when mazda will make recall for rx8 in Europe?
08-05-2010, 10:10 AM
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IF you end up needing the warranty, you are probably in for a fight if you can't get the past service records.
But, the burden of proof is on the dealer, legally, to prove a lack of maintenance. If it gets to that point, your effort and hassle might not be worth it, and if you have to get a lawyer, paying for an engine yourself might be cheaper (example, Mazmart has an freshly rebuilt engine for $2,200 right now).
I do my own maintenance, log my records on MazdaUSA.com, and if I need the warranty (I might), I hope that they take them and all my saved old oil filters with the mileage and date written on them.
If they fight me too much though, then I will just drop the issue and pay out of pocket. I've been through a warranty legal fight with Toyota before, and given the cost of self replacement is so low on these engines compared to pistons, that is the route I would take.
Your opinions, needs, financial ability, and perspective could easily be different.
But, the burden of proof is on the dealer, legally, to prove a lack of maintenance. If it gets to that point, your effort and hassle might not be worth it, and if you have to get a lawyer, paying for an engine yourself might be cheaper (example, Mazmart has an freshly rebuilt engine for $2,200 right now).
I do my own maintenance, log my records on MazdaUSA.com, and if I need the warranty (I might), I hope that they take them and all my saved old oil filters with the mileage and date written on them.
If they fight me too much though, then I will just drop the issue and pay out of pocket. I've been through a warranty legal fight with Toyota before, and given the cost of self replacement is so low on these engines compared to pistons, that is the route I would take.
Your opinions, needs, financial ability, and perspective could easily be different.
08-18-2010, 02:32 AM
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Legally speaking, the issue of whether the vehicle has been maintained is a "question of fact," that the fact finder at a trial (in most consumer cases this is a jury, as specified by Plaintiffs, typically), can determine.
There is no legal requirement that absolute proof in the form of records have to be produced in order to convince the fact finder, assuming sworn testimony is given, by the 51% preponderance of the evidence standard in civil trials, that adequate maintenance was performed, if Mazda denies honoring the warranty.
I have personally seen a case involving the Toyota sludge issue where not one record was produced proving that the Plaintiff performed oil changes on his Toyota Camry (he was mechanically oriented and did his own oil changes every 3,000 miles and testified to that) where the jury found for him as against Toyota, and ordered Toyota to not only pay him damages for the replacement cost of a new engine, but additional monies under particular sections of a consumer protection statute, along with his attorney fees.
If you doubt what I'm saying, contact a competent attorney who specializes in consumer (and especially, 'lemon law') cases, and ask them.
Questions of fact that go to credibility are resolved by the fact finder. Questions of law are resolved by the court.
Whether regular maintenance was or was not performed, even in the absence of documentary proof (even where no records are produced), is a question of fact that is properly resolved by the fact finder (usually a jury in these types of cases).
It is not improbable or unlikely that many here perform their own maintenance, do so more religiously than average car owners, and could honestly and convincingly testify to this fact to a judge or jury.
Anyone, including any Mazda dealer or agent of a dealer, or representative of Mazda, who claims that documentary evidence must be produced before they will honor their own warranty is in for a rude awakening once a lawsuit is filed. They will discover that such an assertion is absolutely incorrect, legally speaking.
A good analogy is an insurance company that denies paying a claim for property destroyed in a house fire because not all or even no receipts showing proof of purchase are kept or produced - the homeowner(s) can be allowed to testify as to what they purchased and how much these items cost, in attempting to obtain the benefits of the insurance policy.
It's up to the trier of "fact" in these types of cases to either find their testimony credible, or not.
There is no legal requirement that absolute proof in the form of records have to be produced in order to convince the fact finder, assuming sworn testimony is given, by the 51% preponderance of the evidence standard in civil trials, that adequate maintenance was performed, if Mazda denies honoring the warranty.
I have personally seen a case involving the Toyota sludge issue where not one record was produced proving that the Plaintiff performed oil changes on his Toyota Camry (he was mechanically oriented and did his own oil changes every 3,000 miles and testified to that) where the jury found for him as against Toyota, and ordered Toyota to not only pay him damages for the replacement cost of a new engine, but additional monies under particular sections of a consumer protection statute, along with his attorney fees.
If you doubt what I'm saying, contact a competent attorney who specializes in consumer (and especially, 'lemon law') cases, and ask them.
Questions of fact that go to credibility are resolved by the fact finder. Questions of law are resolved by the court.
Whether regular maintenance was or was not performed, even in the absence of documentary proof (even where no records are produced), is a question of fact that is properly resolved by the fact finder (usually a jury in these types of cases).
It is not improbable or unlikely that many here perform their own maintenance, do so more religiously than average car owners, and could honestly and convincingly testify to this fact to a judge or jury.
Anyone, including any Mazda dealer or agent of a dealer, or representative of Mazda, who claims that documentary evidence must be produced before they will honor their own warranty is in for a rude awakening once a lawsuit is filed. They will discover that such an assertion is absolutely incorrect, legally speaking.
A good analogy is an insurance company that denies paying a claim for property destroyed in a house fire because not all or even no receipts showing proof of purchase are kept or produced - the homeowner(s) can be allowed to testify as to what they purchased and how much these items cost, in attempting to obtain the benefits of the insurance policy.
It's up to the trier of "fact" in these types of cases to either find their testimony credible, or not.
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08-18-2010, 08:28 AM
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On request from the Mazda Service Manager on my last replacement engine, they requested records so I assembled 5 years of maintenance records & receipts and created a database of all entries which defined my oil changes at 3,000 miles. That is all they got from me... a report. It was accepted. I did have records to back it up if needed though. Only one receipt was requested and that was for coils so that I would not have to pay for a new set they installed. The Service Manager said my report was perfect.
08-18-2010, 08:44 AM
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Agreed. I went through a long legal fight with Toyota centering around warranty or not. The burden of proof is on the manufacturer, not the owner. Providing records simply tells the manufacturer that they can't try to side-step responsibility by using the "no records" claim.
Even without records, they have to prove that there was no maintenance on the vehicle, AND that the lack of maintenance caused the problem.
The the real laymans world however, to get to the point where this becomes a hinging fact that pushes them one way or another is usually a long and bloody process, and the manufacturers are at least somewhat trying to count on that you aren't willing to make that fight, or don't know that they have to prove it, when they make the "no records" reason of denying warranty.
My local dealer knows I do my own service, but they also recognize that I do it, and take good care of my 8, remarking on it several times. So if my engine goes, I don't expect trouble from them in that regard.
But if for whatever reason I do get a fight, I will probably just handle the engine rebuild myself. No real desire to go through a battle like that again.
Even without records, they have to prove that there was no maintenance on the vehicle, AND that the lack of maintenance caused the problem.
The the real laymans world however, to get to the point where this becomes a hinging fact that pushes them one way or another is usually a long and bloody process, and the manufacturers are at least somewhat trying to count on that you aren't willing to make that fight, or don't know that they have to prove it, when they make the "no records" reason of denying warranty.
My local dealer knows I do my own service, but they also recognize that I do it, and take good care of my 8, remarking on it several times. So if my engine goes, I don't expect trouble from them in that regard.
But if for whatever reason I do get a fight, I will probably just handle the engine rebuild myself. No real desire to go through a battle like that again.
08-18-2010, 03:00 PM
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You should uninstall the AP. If they try to access your PCM with the AP installed they will discover that the computer has been tampered with and could reasonably void your warranty on the grounds that you re-programmed the computer and it could be the cause of the engine failure.
08-23-2010, 03:36 PM
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Congrats and good luck with your car. I just got my car back last week. I had to have the engine, fuel pump, coil packs and motor mounts replaced. Mazda covered the engine and my extended warranty covered the rest. I'm on engine number 3 at 71K miles.
09-04-2010, 10:14 AM
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The 8yr 100,000 mile power train warranty comes with the car now, but wasn't available when I bought my '04. I assume it was started because of the many problems they had with the engines is some cars. My engine and transmission were replaced just before the 3yr 36K bumper to bumper warranty was up, and there was not yet an 8yr 100,000 mile power train warranty so I bought an extended warranty to cover the car while I owned. I believe I was one of the unlucky people that just happened to get a bad car, because I've had nothing but problems with the car. I have a little over 71K miles and the transmission, clutch, and engine were replaced. I'm actually on my third engine, and the dealers can't tell me why. We don't drive the car hard or abuse it we keep all fluids checked and changed reguarly.
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