Pettit Racing’s Forced Induction System
07-20-2007, 01:07 AM
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No, sorry. Scott's kits are absolutely complete. No bull like this thing. With a MazSport kit, you absolutely get what you pay for.
And, really, the GReddy kit is complete - if you leave it alone, which no one does.
Everyone wants a BOV and more boost and blah blah blah.
And, really, the GReddy kit is complete - if you leave it alone, which no one does.
Everyone wants a BOV and more boost and blah blah blah.
07-20-2007, 10:48 AM
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After the last few weeks, I definately understand now why so many people get confused and upset on internet forums like this one. Every time I was confused, or concerned about something I read here, I contacted the source. Every time I talked to Scott @Mazsport, he was very helpfull and informative. Same thing with Cam@Pettit. He will tell you the kit, "tuning wise", is still a work in progress and he is still striving for improvements. I am sure that once I purchase this kit, Scott and Cam will both help me with the INT-X. The fact that both men are willing to take time from the mountain of work they have, and address my questions and concerns speaks to their character and business sense.
07-20-2007, 12:03 PM
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with all the ups and downs of who do who don't do i can only say i hope to have the extra $$$ to buy this one day because i feel (imo)thats all i need for my everyday drive is just a little smack in my cars *** to move it a little more when i need it.for those of you who have everything working in your favor my hat is off for you.thank you vise grip for your info...it's sad in times like this we fuss about the small things and forget about the large ones.but remain human!
07-20-2007, 12:44 PM
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Vice, since you were asking people to PM you with questions and observations will you be posting those questions and answers from Cam so that we can see and learn as well?
07-20-2007, 01:48 PM
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But just because it is a poor choice or if its performance is comparatively lack luster, that doesn't mean it wont "work" and I certainly want to see EVERYONE succeed.
Remember, I win either way.
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07-20-2007, 06:44 PM
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so when is stage I and III expected?
Vice, since you were asking people to PM you with questions and observations will you be posting those questions and answers from Cam so that we can see and learn as well?
07-21-2007, 12:15 AM
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I appreciate the feedback guys, but lets try to keep it positive ok?
If not, ill have to just repost this, sticky it, and lock it so that we can keep the negativity out of this forum.
If not, ill have to just repost this, sticky it, and lock it so that we can keep the negativity out of this forum.
07-21-2007, 12:25 AM
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So, here is a question (several, in fact) - Who actually did the Int-X tuning that is shipping with the kit? Was it, in fact, Steve Kan? And, if so, who else worked on that program besides him?
Was Scott involved at all with that final tune? Is it still shipping with the same tune as the one that went out with Phil's kit?
What is the current (7/20/07) thinking on the MAF mounting? How about the idle-bleed?
What is the thinking on the way the air jet hose and OMP bleed are hooked up?
P.S. - Vice, I got the original version of your message. Since you chose to delete it, I won't comment other than to say that, perhaps, you should pay more attention to what I say rather than how you feel I said it.
P.P.S. - I like that SIG pic, Bindon.
An SC vendor - has a turbo in his SIG. Good stuff.
Was Scott involved at all with that final tune? Is it still shipping with the same tune as the one that went out with Phil's kit?
What is the current (7/20/07) thinking on the MAF mounting? How about the idle-bleed?
What is the thinking on the way the air jet hose and OMP bleed are hooked up?
P.S. - Vice, I got the original version of your message. Since you chose to delete it, I won't comment other than to say that, perhaps, you should pay more attention to what I say rather than how you feel I said it.
P.P.S. - I like that SIG pic, Bindon.
An SC vendor - has a turbo in his SIG. Good stuff.
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07-21-2007, 02:30 AM
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Better to be incompetent than incontinent!
I hope that the "owners" of this thread don't take my further posts as arrogant, big-headed, god-like or socially inept. (Though, I suppose, someone will take offense to my even suggesting such a thing.)
I don't think I can take any more sleepless nights crying in my pillow.
I just want answers. Hopefully, they are forthcoming, otherwise you are going to have to continue to be Pettit's alpha tester, Ray.
I hope that the "owners" of this thread don't take my further posts as arrogant, big-headed, god-like or socially inept. (Though, I suppose, someone will take offense to my even suggesting such a thing.)
I don't think I can take any more sleepless nights crying in my pillow.
I just want answers. Hopefully, they are forthcoming, otherwise you are going to have to continue to be Pettit's alpha tester, Ray.
07-21-2007, 06:24 AM
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When Jeff comes out and publicly says that he thinks SC are going to always be inferior to Turbos, I think a lot of folks assumed that at that point he would never have anything good to say about them, or want all SC's to fail.
Everyone has an FI they like the best, I don't think that means you want all the other ones to suck. There are a lot of people irrationally defending something for the sole reason that they like it better, a "mine is the best and all others suck" kind of thing. But IMO, I have not seen MM, or Charles or most other FI folks doing this. I think people are being overly defensive by perceiving that people are bashing their FI baby.
Full Disclosure: I have a Greddy turbo, it rules and all others suck.
Everyone has an FI they like the best, I don't think that means you want all the other ones to suck. There are a lot of people irrationally defending something for the sole reason that they like it better, a "mine is the best and all others suck" kind of thing. But IMO, I have not seen MM, or Charles or most other FI folks doing this. I think people are being overly defensive by perceiving that people are bashing their FI baby.
Full Disclosure: I have a Greddy turbo, it rules and all others suck.
07-21-2007, 06:39 AM
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FYI
Scott did the first wave of tunes!! and i believe Phills was in that wave...
I know only because i personally met him at Pettit and watched him tune mine and moons car...he came and spent several days there at Pettit to tune the first batch.
hope this clears up that aspect
Scott did the first wave of tunes!! and i believe Phills was in that wave...
I know only because i personally met him at Pettit and watched him tune mine and moons car...he came and spent several days there at Pettit to tune the first batch.
hope this clears up that aspect
07-21-2007, 06:40 AM
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07-21-2007, 06:48 AM
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my avatar is strong like bull though..
wtf, the sun is up. i should have bitten a neck by now..
i fail.. i am a tard turd..
o wait.. i dont have to work till wed..
i need to find some trolls..
btw, i will take some cf photos for you today... yummy.. you win, but the stuff i just got looks very very good. ho.
beers
07-21-2007, 07:06 AM
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So, here is a question (several, in fact) - Who actually did the Int-X tuning that is shipping with the kit? Was it, in fact, Steve Kan? And, if so, who else worked on that program besides him?
Was Scott involved at all with that final tune? Is it still shipping with the same tune as the one that went out with Phil's kit?
What is the current (7/20/07) thinking on the MAF mounting? How about the idle-bleed?
What is the thinking on the way the air jet hose and OMP bleed are hooked up?
P.S. - Vice, I got the original version of your message. Since you chose to delete it, I won't comment other than to say that, perhaps, you should pay more attention to what I say rather than how you feel I said it.
P.P.S. - I like that SIG pic, Bindon.
An SC vendor - has a turbo in his SIG. Good stuff.
Was Scott involved at all with that final tune? Is it still shipping with the same tune as the one that went out with Phil's kit?
What is the current (7/20/07) thinking on the MAF mounting? How about the idle-bleed?
What is the thinking on the way the air jet hose and OMP bleed are hooked up?
P.S. - Vice, I got the original version of your message. Since you chose to delete it, I won't comment other than to say that, perhaps, you should pay more attention to what I say rather than how you feel I said it.
P.P.S. - I like that SIG pic, Bindon.
An SC vendor - has a turbo in his SIG. Good stuff.
Now this is something to work with!
In regards to a former post that I chose to delete... It had nothing to do with Feelings. It was all very logical and because it was only up for say 15 minutes or so, I assume one of your lemmings copied it for your delight. Naturally, I could be wrong on how you saw it. Never-the-less, my higher thinking caused me to decide it was not worth, nor very appropriate for this vendor thread. I wish it was not seen by others, but I did my best to remove it after I gave it more thought. I think I was reasonable in both what I said and the fact that I removed it before others could take sides or argue any of the points made. SO we can leave it at that.
07-21-2007, 07:31 AM
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I guess the idea of having me alpha-test the installation side was that if I could do it, anybody could. One thing I wonder about this thread, the comments and opinions on the kit aside, is what makes Dan think that the rest of us can't just call Pettit ourselves and ask questions of Cam, Kandy, and Moon? I don't know how much time I spent on the phone with each of them both before and during the install process. They were all the nicest people and I wasn't always on the receiving end of advice, either. There were a few things that came up and they'll stay between myself and Cam, other than to say that we had fun poking each other for our respective mistakes. At one point I jokingly acted like I was frustrated and giving up on the install as well as the idea of opening my own shop. Being the supportive man that he is, Cam sternly admonished me for talking nonsense and told me to not be stupid and just open the damn shop. Cam knows how miserable I would be staying on the assembly line at Ford. I probably know more about the politics of what is happening over there than Dan does, anyway. I just keep it all to myself.
When MM says he wants to see the S/C kit be successful I would ask those who doubt his word to ask themselves what other reason would MM have to be so personally involved in all of this. He and I were in his house shortly after the install of Phil's kit discussing our desire to see this thing kick ***. I plan on getting one myself. All of this discussion is simply over what people think constitutes a "street-ready" kit of any kind. You'll all soon get to see what I/we think them to be.
When MM says he wants to see the S/C kit be successful I would ask those who doubt his word to ask themselves what other reason would MM have to be so personally involved in all of this. He and I were in his house shortly after the install of Phil's kit discussing our desire to see this thing kick ***. I plan on getting one myself. All of this discussion is simply over what people think constitutes a "street-ready" kit of any kind. You'll all soon get to see what I/we think them to be.
You are correct about calling Pettit Directly. I am not waving a "Look at me! I am Important!" flag here. I am doing this to help Cam so his entire day is not spent answering phone calls for the same 20 questions all day long. My knowledge of the politics at Pettit? As well, I know quite a bit of what is going on out at Pettit. Both Production and the Politics that you speak of. Some is very unfortunate for Pettit... Especially at this sensitive time. That does not speak to the willingness Cam has to make is customers completely happy, regardless of any non-related product issues the shop has experienced. I do not live in the area so I am not a shop Monkey that knows every lost bur or bolt, but I spoke with Cam several times about what Pettit is doing. I still speak with Cam and offered to Help with the forums because what I perceived as bashing of the S/C without any constructive rebuttals. Ray... I did not take what you had said as negative comments as I thought you were frustrated with genuine issues and omission in the install PDF. Roger on that... so you get to be the Non-Pettit shop Alfa-installer by pure fate!
Your later remarks about your and Jeff's conversation about Phil's S/C satisfies my lack of understanding of Jeff's voicings. I do wish it all could be presented with a little less of the condescending undertones.
Comments like Bindons Sig. are not required nor important nor relevant to this thread. Bindon is like me, a friend of the shop that really has no gain, but choose to help them with marketing on the forums. Bindon interned at Pettit, and that is his relationship as a Pettit Vendor.
With much Love and Respect,
Dan
07-21-2007, 07:54 AM
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Questions for CAM & Charles Hill
Vice,
I think MM's questions are valid and would like to see the answers. I did speak with Jeff(Pettit) back in May and was on the list for the free install, but backed out once I was infomed about the CEL and TCS disable, and the fact that I didn't want to deal with the warranty implications(no fault of theirs at all, just my worry). Since that time the MAF seems to have come up and possible questions on idle bleed...............so here would be my questions to Cam. For the record, they were very forth-coming in answering any and all questions I had, but not being that experienced..................I didn't know what all to ask.
1.) Update on CEL issue, I heard it would be solved this Summer.
2.) Update and plans on TCS disable.
3.) MAF.......I think this has about been solved for the most part.
4.) Stage III development schedule and how it's looking.
Charles Hill.....................
How you gonna open a shop if you are going to fly all around the country do installs of various tytpes?
Anyway, I have the money set aside for this and am waiting for these relatively small issues to get ironed out. I'm seriously thinking of asking if you'd like to fly to Florida and spend a few days helping with my install. Ever seen a Space Shuttle launch? Talk about horsepower! Due to the nature of the business I do, I can get us on the Cape where the general public can't go and fairly close to the pad. I'm also one block from the beach! Seriously think about this and what you would charge. Of course airfare, food, beer(or whatever), place to stay would be all on my dime, but think about what else you'd charge. I will tell you want I want to attempt........and that is I'd like to keep my Revi intake and Ram air and somehow fit this SC in there. I'm gonna somehow make this work. I know there's not any room, but I will find it one way or another. I think if you change the washer fluid bottle, or eliminate it all together you could the fluid bottle for the SC in that area........and maybe both(but smaller for the washer fluid)........ Does anyone really need that much of a washer fluid bottle?
I think MM's questions are valid and would like to see the answers. I did speak with Jeff(Pettit) back in May and was on the list for the free install, but backed out once I was infomed about the CEL and TCS disable, and the fact that I didn't want to deal with the warranty implications(no fault of theirs at all, just my worry). Since that time the MAF seems to have come up and possible questions on idle bleed...............so here would be my questions to Cam. For the record, they were very forth-coming in answering any and all questions I had, but not being that experienced..................I didn't know what all to ask.
1.) Update on CEL issue, I heard it would be solved this Summer.
2.) Update and plans on TCS disable.
3.) MAF.......I think this has about been solved for the most part.
4.) Stage III development schedule and how it's looking.
Charles Hill.....................
How you gonna open a shop if you are going to fly all around the country do installs of various tytpes?
Anyway, I have the money set aside for this and am waiting for these relatively small issues to get ironed out. I'm seriously thinking of asking if you'd like to fly to Florida and spend a few days helping with my install. Ever seen a Space Shuttle launch? Talk about horsepower! Due to the nature of the business I do, I can get us on the Cape where the general public can't go and fairly close to the pad. I'm also one block from the beach! Seriously think about this and what you would charge. Of course airfare, food, beer(or whatever), place to stay would be all on my dime, but think about what else you'd charge. I will tell you want I want to attempt........and that is I'd like to keep my Revi intake and Ram air and somehow fit this SC in there. I'm gonna somehow make this work. I know there's not any room, but I will find it one way or another. I think if you change the washer fluid bottle, or eliminate it all together you could the fluid bottle for the SC in that area........and maybe both(but smaller for the washer fluid)........ Does anyone really need that much of a washer fluid bottle?
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