Pettit Racing’s Forced Induction System
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Pettit Racing’s Forced Induction System
“Pettit Racing’s Forced Induction System puts the Mazda RX8 on par with Great Road Cars of the World”
300+hp and over 200lb-ft the RX8 is now a force to be reckoned
SHORT VIDEO CLIP
Over two years of R & D with road and track testing:
1.+60–80 HP
2.+50-70 lb-ft
3.Superb Drivability
4.Fast and Reliable
5.D.I.Y. Installation
6. Fits all RX8 models 6 port, 4 port, auto etc…
7. $4995.00 kit only
Already a superb handling drivers car, the extra power from Pettit’s system is just what the doctor ordered. “Wow! A most impressive yet refined driving experience.”
At Pettit, the same technology that won our Racing Championships is used to design, develop and produce our parts. This enables us to provide extremely reliable products giving you many miles of driving fun and excitement.
Aside from just providing extra power, here at Pettit we are creating several stages and levels of performance, in order to complement a variety of driving styles.
Pettit Racing strives to provide the highest quality components and workmanship. A fully CAD Designed System, a top rated Lysholm twin-screw compressor and all CNC machined billet drive pulleys, means you get a top quality system with parts that fit. Even our new Charge Chiller System (air to water intercooler setup) is designed with the latest technology and highest quality parts. This new system uses an advanced Jabsco Flojet Pump, dual Hayden Heat Exchangers and an internally finned tube Liquid I/C Core.
This Kit fits all RX8 engines both 6 port hi power as well as 4 port and autos, for use on the 4 port engines you simply put freeze plugs in the manifolds six port runners, later they can also be removed for use again on a 6 port, if need should ever arise.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++
Highlights:
70-90 additional horsepower and 50-70 lbft torque with only 6-8 psi boost
Superb drivability and overall performance
Reliable and easy to maintain
D.I.Y. installation, with easy to follow instructions
Offer stages and configurations to suit most applications.
Use only the highest quality components
Stages:
Stage 1 System, still under development, non intercooled producing 235 hp @8500 and 155 lb ft tq. @ 5500 with 4- 5 psi boost.
Stage II System, intercooled, producing aproxmately 260 whp @8500 and 185 lb/ft torque. @ 5500 with 6- 8 psi boost, this translates to 160 lb/ft of torque by 3500 RPM.
Stage III System, Hi Boost, still under development.
R&D
Nearly two years of R&D with the RX8’s has resulted in several new products; to date we have logged over 30,000 miles and analyzed 400+ dyno runs. Several other RX8 products are still being developed. At Pettit R&D is ongoing and relentless; it makes our products #1.
Compressor:
Pettit chose the Lysholm compressor because it is one of the most efficient twin-screw compressors on the market today. Made by the Opcon Group in Sweden, the Lysholm’s advanced design provides a reduction in parasitic loss and charge temperature, which makes it more efficient than roots or centrifugal type units.
Charge Chiller System:
A Pump and Reservoir, with 2 Hi Efficiency Heat Exchangers providing a simple and effective system for maximum charge cooling which is suitable for use with most liquid intercoolers. The Charge Chiller System is included with our RX8 Forced Induction System
Liquid Cool Charge Intercooler:
Our Liquid Cool Charge System utilizes a very efficient liquid core built to Pettit specs. The simple design utilizes internally fined extruded tubes oven brazed to the headers. This design has proven to be the most efficient for this application.
Management:
Interceptor X EMS is our current choice for engine management, we have tested E-Manage and Unichip systems which will also work; however, our initial release will be priced without management. For those who already have the Interceptor X we will provide tuning maps at no charge. For those who don’t it can be purchased from us pre-mapped.
Intake manifold:
Another result of our lengthy development process is our new aluminum upper intake manifold. It redirects the six port intake runners and provides improved overall flow. This new maniflold replaces both parts of the stock plastic intake manifold assembly. The new manifold is included with Pettit’s RX 8 Compressor Kit.
This new manifold should also be a welcome addition for racing, turbo and hi boost applications where the stock plastic manifold proves inadequate.
Compressor by pass:
The compressor bypass system, allows the compressor to free spin during cruise and no load conditions. This improves efficiency and reduces charge temperatures, as well as providing better instantaneous power and torque, without lag. More of what compressors are known for.
Ignition cooling
Another cool features is cool air circulation for the ignition coils, this simple setup will surely improve coil performance as well as reliability.
C.A.R.B.
We will also be working on C.A.R.B. cert.
F.A.Q.
Q: What is a compressor and how does it work?
A: A compressor forces compressed air into the engine, more air than is possible under normal atmospheric conditions there by allowing more fuel to be added, thus creating more power
Q: How much horsepower will I get?
A: Pettit offers compressor systems with factory settings from 5-8 psi of boost pressure. This level of pressure typically results in a 35%-50% increase in horsepower, for the RX8 with our stage 2 kit aprox. 90 hp can be expected. Although, higher boost can be achieved by changing drive ratios, it is also necessary to make sure the management compensates for these changes. Pettit does not recommend exceeding 8 psi with the stock injectors.
Q: Is the compressor always working?
A: While the compressor is always spinning and moving air, it is not always producing boost. Our design utilizes a hi flow internal by pass valve which helps reduce charge temps as well as allowing the compressor to free spin unless there is a demand for power. When accelerating with either moderate or full power the by pass valve closes, instantly providing power and torque. The majority of time the compressor will be free spinning and not producing boost.
Q: Will the compressor affect gas mileage?
A: Fuel economy depends entirely on your driving habits; in some cases you may experience an increase in gas mileage. For example, under normal freeway driving the compressor is free spinning but the intercooler is still reducing charge temperatures and increasing efficiency of the charge, this causes more efficient combustion which can improve fuel mileage. Clearly, you are not interested in more horsepower for conservative driving; when you demand additional performance from your vehicle it will require additional fuel. If you are a "lead foot" your fuel economy will decline because your car is working harder. If you are simply using the extra power for occasional acceleration and passing performance, your fuel economy will be affected respectively. During highway testing we achieved 20 MPG.
Q: Will the compressor affect engine life?
A: Engine longevity is a function of your personal driving habits and how well your vehicle is tuned. If a vehicle is tuned properly and not abused, engine life should remain unaffected. Even a stock vehicle will show signs of premature aging if used under rigorous conditions such as racing and/or towing. Likewise, premature engine failure is a possibility with any vehicle that is not properly tuned and a boosted vehicle is no exception.
Q. Will the engine ping with the compressor?
A. Detonation (a pinging noise from the engine) is a sign that your vehicle is not running properly and can indicate a variety of problems including poor fuel quality and/or elevated operating temperatures. If detonation occurs avoid that operating range until better fuel is obtained or the problem is corrected. Demanding performance from a detonating engine will likely result in reduced engine life or engine failure.
Prices and specifications subject to change with out notice.
Copyright 2007 by Excellent Performance Inc. all rights reserved reproduction in part or whole prohibited.
TKT, Trak Pro, PROTEK, R-Tec and Pettit Racing are Trademarks of Excellent Performance Inc. Palm Beach, FL.
300+hp and over 200lb-ft the RX8 is now a force to be reckoned
SHORT VIDEO CLIP
Over two years of R & D with road and track testing:
1.+60–80 HP
2.+50-70 lb-ft
3.Superb Drivability
4.Fast and Reliable
5.D.I.Y. Installation
6. Fits all RX8 models 6 port, 4 port, auto etc…
7. $4995.00 kit only
Already a superb handling drivers car, the extra power from Pettit’s system is just what the doctor ordered. “Wow! A most impressive yet refined driving experience.”
At Pettit, the same technology that won our Racing Championships is used to design, develop and produce our parts. This enables us to provide extremely reliable products giving you many miles of driving fun and excitement.
Aside from just providing extra power, here at Pettit we are creating several stages and levels of performance, in order to complement a variety of driving styles.
Pettit Racing strives to provide the highest quality components and workmanship. A fully CAD Designed System, a top rated Lysholm twin-screw compressor and all CNC machined billet drive pulleys, means you get a top quality system with parts that fit. Even our new Charge Chiller System (air to water intercooler setup) is designed with the latest technology and highest quality parts. This new system uses an advanced Jabsco Flojet Pump, dual Hayden Heat Exchangers and an internally finned tube Liquid I/C Core.
This Kit fits all RX8 engines both 6 port hi power as well as 4 port and autos, for use on the 4 port engines you simply put freeze plugs in the manifolds six port runners, later they can also be removed for use again on a 6 port, if need should ever arise.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++
Highlights:
70-90 additional horsepower and 50-70 lbft torque with only 6-8 psi boost
Superb drivability and overall performance
Reliable and easy to maintain
D.I.Y. installation, with easy to follow instructions
Offer stages and configurations to suit most applications.
Use only the highest quality components
Stages:
Stage 1 System, still under development, non intercooled producing 235 hp @8500 and 155 lb ft tq. @ 5500 with 4- 5 psi boost.
Stage II System, intercooled, producing aproxmately 260 whp @8500 and 185 lb/ft torque. @ 5500 with 6- 8 psi boost, this translates to 160 lb/ft of torque by 3500 RPM.
Stage III System, Hi Boost, still under development.
R&D
Nearly two years of R&D with the RX8’s has resulted in several new products; to date we have logged over 30,000 miles and analyzed 400+ dyno runs. Several other RX8 products are still being developed. At Pettit R&D is ongoing and relentless; it makes our products #1.
Compressor:
Pettit chose the Lysholm compressor because it is one of the most efficient twin-screw compressors on the market today. Made by the Opcon Group in Sweden, the Lysholm’s advanced design provides a reduction in parasitic loss and charge temperature, which makes it more efficient than roots or centrifugal type units.
Charge Chiller System:
A Pump and Reservoir, with 2 Hi Efficiency Heat Exchangers providing a simple and effective system for maximum charge cooling which is suitable for use with most liquid intercoolers. The Charge Chiller System is included with our RX8 Forced Induction System
Liquid Cool Charge Intercooler:
Our Liquid Cool Charge System utilizes a very efficient liquid core built to Pettit specs. The simple design utilizes internally fined extruded tubes oven brazed to the headers. This design has proven to be the most efficient for this application.
Management:
Interceptor X EMS is our current choice for engine management, we have tested E-Manage and Unichip systems which will also work; however, our initial release will be priced without management. For those who already have the Interceptor X we will provide tuning maps at no charge. For those who don’t it can be purchased from us pre-mapped.
Intake manifold:
Another result of our lengthy development process is our new aluminum upper intake manifold. It redirects the six port intake runners and provides improved overall flow. This new maniflold replaces both parts of the stock plastic intake manifold assembly. The new manifold is included with Pettit’s RX 8 Compressor Kit.
This new manifold should also be a welcome addition for racing, turbo and hi boost applications where the stock plastic manifold proves inadequate.
Compressor by pass:
The compressor bypass system, allows the compressor to free spin during cruise and no load conditions. This improves efficiency and reduces charge temperatures, as well as providing better instantaneous power and torque, without lag. More of what compressors are known for.
Ignition cooling
Another cool features is cool air circulation for the ignition coils, this simple setup will surely improve coil performance as well as reliability.
C.A.R.B.
We will also be working on C.A.R.B. cert.
F.A.Q.
Q: What is a compressor and how does it work?
A: A compressor forces compressed air into the engine, more air than is possible under normal atmospheric conditions there by allowing more fuel to be added, thus creating more power
Q: How much horsepower will I get?
A: Pettit offers compressor systems with factory settings from 5-8 psi of boost pressure. This level of pressure typically results in a 35%-50% increase in horsepower, for the RX8 with our stage 2 kit aprox. 90 hp can be expected. Although, higher boost can be achieved by changing drive ratios, it is also necessary to make sure the management compensates for these changes. Pettit does not recommend exceeding 8 psi with the stock injectors.
Q: Is the compressor always working?
A: While the compressor is always spinning and moving air, it is not always producing boost. Our design utilizes a hi flow internal by pass valve which helps reduce charge temps as well as allowing the compressor to free spin unless there is a demand for power. When accelerating with either moderate or full power the by pass valve closes, instantly providing power and torque. The majority of time the compressor will be free spinning and not producing boost.
Q: Will the compressor affect gas mileage?
A: Fuel economy depends entirely on your driving habits; in some cases you may experience an increase in gas mileage. For example, under normal freeway driving the compressor is free spinning but the intercooler is still reducing charge temperatures and increasing efficiency of the charge, this causes more efficient combustion which can improve fuel mileage. Clearly, you are not interested in more horsepower for conservative driving; when you demand additional performance from your vehicle it will require additional fuel. If you are a "lead foot" your fuel economy will decline because your car is working harder. If you are simply using the extra power for occasional acceleration and passing performance, your fuel economy will be affected respectively. During highway testing we achieved 20 MPG.
Q: Will the compressor affect engine life?
A: Engine longevity is a function of your personal driving habits and how well your vehicle is tuned. If a vehicle is tuned properly and not abused, engine life should remain unaffected. Even a stock vehicle will show signs of premature aging if used under rigorous conditions such as racing and/or towing. Likewise, premature engine failure is a possibility with any vehicle that is not properly tuned and a boosted vehicle is no exception.
Q. Will the engine ping with the compressor?
A. Detonation (a pinging noise from the engine) is a sign that your vehicle is not running properly and can indicate a variety of problems including poor fuel quality and/or elevated operating temperatures. If detonation occurs avoid that operating range until better fuel is obtained or the problem is corrected. Demanding performance from a detonating engine will likely result in reduced engine life or engine failure.
Prices and specifications subject to change with out notice.
Copyright 2007 by Excellent Performance Inc. all rights reserved reproduction in part or whole prohibited.
TKT, Trak Pro, PROTEK, R-Tec and Pettit Racing are Trademarks of Excellent Performance Inc. Palm Beach, FL.
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07-19-2007, 07:34 PM
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The only person taking a dump here is your potty mouth reply
I simply watched the vid and there's a CEL indicator sticking out like a sore thumb so it seemed like a valid question. I was curious to know if they have a management system planned that will resolve such issues ...
07-19-2007, 07:36 PM
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CEL, TCS/DSC (and not blinking, like a loss of traction), etc.
No one is taking a dump on ViceGrip. But don't expect there to only be rah-rah-rah responses to this.
Plenty of people take dumps on my threads and it usually leads to some interesting conversations.
No one is taking a dump on ViceGrip. But don't expect there to only be rah-rah-rah responses to this.
Plenty of people take dumps on my threads and it usually leads to some interesting conversations.
07-19-2007, 08:03 PM
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It seems like it's starting to get personal.
And i'm not disputing anyone's opinion, but this is at least something in our market, and a little bit something is better than a whole lot of nothing (f&f tokyo drift quote btw)
So it has it's problems, it's something at least for us owners
And i'm not disputing anyone's opinion, but this is at least something in our market, and a little bit something is better than a whole lot of nothing (f&f tokyo drift quote btw)
So it has it's problems, it's something at least for us owners
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Of course, but there hasn't been any FI system released yet that has been complete (the closest full complete being mazsports). This one being no different, sell some kits(alot it seems and I wish them well), find the flaws, and fix it.
07-19-2007, 09:12 PM
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No, sorry. Scott's kits are absolutely complete. With a MazSport kit, you absolutely get what you pay for.
And, really, the GReddy kit is complete - if you leave it alone, which no one does.
Everyone wants a BOV and more boost and blah blah blah.
And, really, the GReddy kit is complete - if you leave it alone, which no one does.
Everyone wants a BOV and more boost and blah blah blah.
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07-19-2007, 09:27 PM
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No, sorry. Scott's kits are absolutely complete. No bull like this thing. With a MazSport kit, you absolutely get what you pay for.
And, really, the GReddy kit is complete - if you leave it alone, which no one does.
Everyone wants a BOV and more boost and blah blah blah.
And, really, the GReddy kit is complete - if you leave it alone, which no one does.
Everyone wants a BOV and more boost and blah blah blah.
i understand that parts have been on backorder for 2 months now with cars that have been sitting there all that time and that he expects payment up front...total amount...
dont see how you get what you pay for when you pay 12k and havent got anything for 8 weeks.
you need updated info my son!
07-19-2007, 09:28 PM
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I am not taking any of this personal... One way or the other! I certainly know that "I - Dan Z." am NOT one of these "Buffoons" you are speaking of Jeff! Or am I?
I also am not going to claim that I have some highly honed knowledge with all these various questions.
Jeff, I know by reading you that you have lots of expertise and knowledge on basic motor, FI and so on. I am not going to challenge you or pretend I have more Matchbox prowess than you do! Respectfully.. If you have questions or doubts about any of the claims, please itemize them and I shall hand them off to Cam and let him speak for himself, his product and his company. The Multimedia Thread got outta control and I know Cam personally! He was not able to defend his product or any other aspect of the "complaints" and that was unfortunate. I know what he has put into the development of his blower, the successes and set-backs. I am not going to defend or make statements about the implosions in the other thread, but I will say that there were valid reasons for items "apparently" overlooked... Maf, Jet etc. Let's try to keep it in a Q & A format and I will get you a true answer without the smoke and mirrors.
Also... for the record... companies like GreEdy have way more than just like 4 or 5 guys working on their projects, and their initial release of the turbo was riddled with issues... some seeming absolutely rEtarDed.
Pettit is working on a Flash for the system... one that requires no external ECU. It is not right/ready/working so the Inter-X is suggested. I am not sure what the complaint is here, but if it can be posed as a direct question I will get you a direct answer from the source.
Cam does not have the time nor the Computer Savvy to Troll this forum and respond to every accusation being made.
As we are friends, and I was unhappy with the lack of rebuttal and defense of his product, I agreed to be his mouth piece. Only to the extent of compiling the questions posed and passing them on for him to write a response to. Not my interpretation of his response but his words written by him.
I am also goiing to post images and updates that he sends to me as he is a Paying and supporting vendor of the rx8club forum and as of now has no one to market the site for him.
I hope this is enough to explain my role. I am no Lemming... Any of you that know me know this to be true. I will troll like the other and can pop from time to time, but this is a Business thread and lets try top keep it in that type of respectful format!
And Yes... Cam is going to BLOW me!!!! LOL
Dan
I also am not going to claim that I have some highly honed knowledge with all these various questions.
Jeff, I know by reading you that you have lots of expertise and knowledge on basic motor, FI and so on. I am not going to challenge you or pretend I have more Matchbox prowess than you do! Respectfully
.. If you have questions or doubts about any of the claims, please itemize them and I shall hand them off to Cam and let him speak for himself, his product and his company. The Multimedia Thread got outta control and I know Cam personally! He was not able to defend his product or any other aspect of the "complaints" and that was unfortunate. I know what he has put into the development of his blower, the successes and set-backs. I am not going to defend or make statements about the implosions in the other thread, but I will say that there were valid reasons for items "apparently" overlooked... Maf, Jet etc. Let's try to keep it in a Q & A format and I will get you a true answer without the smoke and mirrors.Also... for the record... companies like GreEdy have way more than just like 4 or 5 guys working on their projects, and their initial release of the turbo was riddled with issues... some seeming absolutely rEtarDed.
Pettit is working on a Flash for the system... one that requires no external ECU. It is not right/ready/working so the Inter-X is suggested. I am not sure what the complaint is here, but if it can be posed as a direct question I will get you a direct answer from the source.
Cam does not have the time nor the Computer Savvy to Troll this forum and respond to every accusation being made.
As we are friends, and I was unhappy with the lack of rebuttal and defense of his product, I agreed to be his mouth piece. Only to the extent of compiling the questions posed and passing them on for him to write a response to. Not my interpretation of his response but his words written by him.
I am also goiing to post images and updates that he sends to me as he is a Paying and supporting vendor of the rx8club forum and as of now has no one to market the site for him.
I hope this is enough to explain my role. I am no Lemming... Any of you that know me know this to be true. I will troll like the other and can pop from time to time, but this is a Business thread and lets try top keep it in that type of respectful format!
And Yes... Cam is going to BLOW me!!!! LOL
Dan
07-19-2007, 09:36 PM
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Having seen cam and his wife with some friendly runs in WPB in his black/gold rx-7 I must say they are cool people(Didnt even kknow it was them until a friend told me).....back to the thread I am waiting for the high boost I am interested to see what this kit can really do, as of right now it is okay. Most people are not high boost crazy HP people like me but hey I give them props for putting a product out there and putting up some decent numbers for what the general population is looking for.
).....back to the thread I am waiting for the high boost I am interested to see what this kit can really do, as of right now it is okay. Most people are not high boost crazy HP people like me but hey I give them props for putting a product out there and putting up some decent numbers for what the general population is looking for.
07-19-2007, 09:46 PM
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True. The Int-X is not my cup 'o tea for sure.
However, If I call up Scott right now and order a kit, not withstanding Shinka's obvious FanGurl claims, I can get it and delete the Int-X and install my EMU.
Anyone can do that.
No one will be installing a MazSport system and find himself standing there for the better part of half a day wondering "Where does this brass nipple go?" and then, after calling for tech support, get an answer akin to "What brass nipple?".
I dunno. Are you responsible for any of that crap in the other thread and do you believe that Mood was representing himself and Pettit accurately?
If not, then I think its fair to say you are not!
Really, all of the questions I have to this point were asked in the other thread and answered by my own hands in the engine bay of one of these installed "kits".
I think the blower has potential, I just wonder why it took 3 years to get such an obviously simple piece of work out the door and have it still incomplete.
The manifold is nice - I guess if Mood was the guy fabricating that for free, I can see why it would have taken years to get it done.
However, If I call up Scott right now and order a kit, not withstanding Shinka's obvious FanGurl claims, I can get it and delete the Int-X and install my EMU.
Anyone can do that.
No one will be installing a MazSport system and find himself standing there for the better part of half a day wondering "Where does this brass nipple go?" and then, after calling for tech support, get an answer akin to "What brass nipple?".
If not, then I think its fair to say you are not!
Really, all of the questions I have to this point were asked in the other thread and answered by my own hands in the engine bay of one of these installed "kits".
I think the blower has potential, I just wonder why it took 3 years to get such an obviously simple piece of work out the door and have it still incomplete.
The manifold is nice - I guess if Mood was the guy fabricating that for free, I can see why it would have taken years to get it done.
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So who closed the other thread? I was almost all caught up! Now it looks like this will turn into a repeat...let's not do that and use this to ask serious and bonifide questions in a decent manner and see if we get complete and accurate responses. That's all most of us want............. the info, but harrassing each other ain't gonna get it done. We all can be ****** at times, but let's start over in this thread
Steps off soapbox
Steps off soapbox
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07-19-2007, 09:53 PM
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oh...is that right?????
i understand that parts have been on backorder for 2 months now with cars that have been sitting there all that time and that he expects payment up front...total amount...
dont see how you get what you pay for when you pay 12k and havent got anything for 8 weeks.
you need updated info my son!
i understand that parts have been on backorder for 2 months now with cars that have been sitting there all that time and that he expects payment up front...total amount...
dont see how you get what you pay for when you pay 12k and havent got anything for 8 weeks.
you need updated info my son!
Plus, $12k will get you WAY more power and "bling" than the SC. Try using one of the $7k kits (which are still more powerful) as the comparative benchmark.
And don't call me "son". It makes you sound like a cheap *****.
Originally Posted by Mazurfer
So who closed the other thread?
I have no intent of pulling this thread down to the level that Mood pulled the other one. But if you folks continue to make irrational arguments, skew the facts and speak pejoratively like you are "all gangsta hard 'an ****", you are gonna get what is coming to you.
07-19-2007, 09:59 PM
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AND................MM
"I have no intent of pulling this thread down to the level that Mood pulled the other one. But if you folks continue to make irrational arguments, skew the facts and speak pejoratively like you are "all gangsta hard 'an ****", you are gonna get what is coming to you."
I don't think you were speaking directly to me or counting me in as "folks" because I have made no such irrational arguments what-so-ever or skewed any facts............................not that I give a f*&^.
Dave
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07-19-2007, 10:00 PM
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Once again...
I can chirp of allot of reasonable answers to several of these points. Do I Officially represent Pettit in that capacity? NO. So I will refrain from answering questions that I believe I know the answer to, but cannot be for certain. The other questions that are my opinions to your opinions, I could answer also in my best reasoning, but once again, that defeats the purpose of THIS thread.
Lets no longer regurgitate the same trail over and over again. If you toiled with the system and have valuable input... PLEASE PM me and I will give you CAM's direct email so you can share your thoughts and input with him. If you do not want to help this product become a more viable and sound system, then why would you want to beat your head against this wall any longer? I do not logically think that Moon 0wns you this much? I will not get into that as I said... New day my friend... lets make it that way!
I can chirp of allot of reasonable answers to several of these points. Do I Officially represent Pettit in that capacity? NO. So I will refrain from answering questions that I believe I know the answer to, but cannot be for certain. The other questions that are my opinions to your opinions, I could answer also in my best reasoning, but once again, that defeats the purpose of THIS thread.
Lets no longer regurgitate the same trail over and over again. If you toiled with the system and have valuable input... PLEASE PM me and I will give you CAM's direct email so you can share your thoughts and input with him. If you do not want to help this product become a more viable and sound system, then why would you want to beat your head against this wall any longer? I do not logically think that Moon 0wns you this much? I will not get into that as I said... New day my friend... lets make it that way!
07-19-2007, 10:08 PM
#24
So who closed the other thread? I was almost all caught up! Now it looks like this will turn into a repeat...let's not do that and use this to ask serious and bonifide questions in a decent manner and see if we get complete and accurate responses. That's all most of us want............. the info, but harrassing each other ain't gonna get it done. We all can be ****** at times, but let's start over in this thread
Steps off soapbox
Steps off soapbox
That thread needed closing. Half of the posts contained in the last four or five pages would have probably fit in better in the lounge. This one appears to be heading in that direction pretty quickly.
07-19-2007, 10:36 PM
#25
How so? Fix it if you believe this to be the case. Pose the questions, use logic and facts and discuss the topic at hand rather than using veiled language and innuendo.
As I said in the other post - I have a real desire to see this kit work. The more solutions that are available, the better they will all get and the more knowledge I can acquire. Phil is one of the nicest people I know and I want to see his car become the screamer that he wants it to be.
Being a fanbois will not get you a cookie.
As I said in the other post - I have a real desire to see this kit work. The more solutions that are available, the better they will all get and the more knowledge I can acquire. Phil is one of the nicest people I know and I want to see his car become the screamer that he wants it to be.
Being a fanbois will not get you a cookie.