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Old 06-04-2007, 08:38 PM
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under driveing the accessories will just spin the pump faster.
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Originally Posted by mac11
under driveing the accessories will just spin the pump faster.
just for you .....
https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-aftermarket-performance-modifications-23/unorthodox-pulley-vs-agency-power-pulley-111741/
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let me get this straight, you are talking about the e-shaft pulley?

what does that have to do with this new water pump?

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I wasn't looking for power from an electrical pump. I'm looking for temp reduction.
Energy is energy. It doesn't matter (much) if you pull 7kW from the crank or the alternator.
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
I wasn't looking for power from an electrical pump. I'm looking for temp reduction.
Energy is energy. It doesn't matter (much) if you pull 10HP from the crank or the alternator.
Thats a decent point. an electrical pump may generate less heat than a mechanical.
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Originally Posted by mac11
Thats a decent point. an electrical pump may generate less heat than a mechanical.
Huh? Generate heat?
I don't think its spinning so fast that adiabatic efficiency comes into play!
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Jeff, this is the pump I was talking about with you. I thought it was electric but I guess I read it wrong. I kinda assumed an H.E. pump would be electrical.....my bad
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Then how is an electric pump going to do anything with heat that a high efficiency mechanical cant do?
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as usual, some people post faster than they can think ...
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Originally Posted by mac11
let me get this straight, you are talking about the e-shaft pulley?

what does that have to do with this new water pump?
very little - I was just having a dig at MM . We have a discussion going on in the other thread I tried to direct you to .
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Ah - ATM I'm not in a position to catch up on a long thread. Just going by what was said in this thread.
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I want something that wont stop/slowdown during high rpm operation. sadly, thats a problem with OEM pump.

and I want to keep it as *OE* design as much as possible.

This pump is something that exactly what I want.

Im thinking of getting the Greddy Pulley set to go with this pump. I dont like to underdrive anything, but I want to lose some weight, even by 0.5 lbs Im happy.

So as soon as this pump is out, Im gonna get the Greddy pulley set (and install it together)
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Originally Posted by mac11
Then how is an electric pump going to do anything with heat that a high efficiency mechanical cant do?
Are you paying attention?
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Are you paying attention?
great technical explanation. bravo.
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Look at your question and compare it to the posts before it.
We are talking about a device that cools the engine.
You wondered about how much heat the pumping action would add to the system, and the differences in this "heating" efficiency between an electrical and mechanical pump.
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Exactly and if you are giving that adiabatic efficiency is not going to add to or reduce the heat in the system between a mechanical and an electric pump, my question is how is an electric pump going to cool the system better than a mechanical pump of good design and efficiency?
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an electric pump might be a good idea, but the power gotta come from somewhere, and electric pump still generates heat. also, when an electric pump fails, it usually fails right away(then good luck to ur engine)

mazmart mechanical pump on the other hand, fits in the stock location(I assume), will speedup itself according to engine load (the engine spin faster so does the pump, stock pump stops when it reach higher rpm), and usually it takes a while b4 a mechanical pump give up the ghost
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The generated heat is not an issue.
Increased flow is. Will an improved OEM mechanical pump flow more than 20 gal/min at high RPM? Possibly.
Will it do that at idle? No.

All we care about is total flow. It is up to the other components of the system to deal with the heat.

Also, an electric water pump will, at peak, draw about 8 amps, which is significantly less than both fans on high. It is also WAY less power than a mechanical pump. We are going back and forth about 8 or 10 HP at peak that a mechanical may draw. Keep in mind, 8A is only 1/10 of a horsepower!

The "problem" with an electrical is packaging. As an OE pump replacement, it will require some interesting machining.
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Originally Posted by mac11
Exactly and if you are giving that adiabatic efficiency is not going to add to or reduce the heat in the system between a mechanical and an electric pump, my question is how is an electric pump going to cool the system better than a mechanical pump of good design and efficiency?
MM got it but a mechanical pump is also depedant on engine RPM whereas an electrical is not
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why dont' we just wait for Paul to come back and give us all the details?
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Originally Posted by Jedi54
why dont' we just wait for Paul to come back and give us all the details?
Oh, of course!
We are just speculating on the alternatives so that when he posts the details, we have something with which to compare them.
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I'm a little confused... If we had an electrical coolant system than would we need a new belt too cancel the existing stock pump?
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Originally Posted by Keef
I'm a little confused... If we had an electrical coolant system than would we need a new belt too cancel the existing stock pump?
There are 3 possible scenarios for an electric water pump

(1) it goes in the stock location and there is no change

(2) the stock pump gets removed and capped off and the electric pump is located remotely elsewhere

(3) the stock pump remains in place and an electric pump is added as auxillary in a remote location.
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Add to #2 that an idler pulley is mounted in the OE pump's place.
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check this http://www.evanscooling.com/catalog/C_pmps1.htm


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