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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 03:29 PM
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Thanks for the support Jeff! He just e-mailed me, and we are going to log new AFR's now that I have the cat off the car.

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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Rocketman1976
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I got my EFIDude today and did a quick run from 3 mph to 45 mph and my AFR was good up to 6000 rpms then it was way too rich. It was 14.5-16 up to 4000 then went to 13.5's, then right at 6000 it went to a range of 11.1-11.7, mostly the lower 11's like 11.1-11.3 all the way to 8450.

With a good tune how much more power (a guestimate) do you think can be obtained in that 6000-8500 area?
that isnt really rich. 11.5 is rich mean best torque, so that isnt bad. 12.5 is best "safe" power, and 13.3 is best lean torque.
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 03:33 PM
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i know my pcm is still building fuel trims since i am only on my second run since flashing to the MM base map, but my AFR's are still around 12.7 to 14.4 at WOT. but should i change out my cat to my midpipe? i dont want to burn up this brand new cat mazda just gave me.
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by turborx8
Why did this thread get so quiet?

I assume it's because this thread is useless without Jeff and that any issues we have we send to him by email?
its not useless. people can still give advice on what maps to go to based on STFT or other things. i think that just because jeff isnt here that they see that it is useless to post on here, but it isnt. i know that i am no where near a tuner, but i still know alot about tuning and how to, so if anyone has any questions, i can try to help also.
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by \\Konig\\
when jeff was tuning my car at the dyno, it was making more power running rich than it was when he changed the map to run leaner. so it depends on the car.

I know that when my car was stock it ran really rich and was making very low numbers on the dyno, then when we added the full exhaust with no cats and K&N filter the AFR went leaner and the car made 18.5 more rwhp with just those two upgrades.

I just looked at my old dyno and it was around 10.5-11 then after upgrades it went to 11.5-12. I think my car likes leaner.

With the 11 files Jeff sends with the AP can you change the fuel for different RPM's or just a broad across the board change?

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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 04:09 PM
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Cobb has released Beta firmware update for the AP. From the thread on cobbforums:

Changelog - 1.2.6.4-5746 Beta:

- Shift light function added to live data
- Various usability improvements including re-ordered main menu
- Fuel economy accuracy improved
- Recover from key-off event during live data

** This is Beta firmware **

Please follow the instructions at:


http://www.cobbtuning.com/info/?ID=3873
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 04:12 PM
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- Recover from key-off event during live data



does that mean that we can now turn the car off while the AP is in live data mode???
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by devildog1679
That is rich, we would like to see mid 12's in the upper rev range with high load. Check to see what you load looked like, but like Konig said your car may run better when rich. Let's see what MM says.

The load was pretty much 100% from 2200-8400, with maybe 2 short area where it was at 93-97%.
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 04:17 PM
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Caution: just updated my AP and received an error while using AP Manager. Install at your own risk, keep in mind that this is BETA firmware.
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by huzer21
Caution: just updated my AP and received an error while using AP Manager. Install at your own risk, keep in mind that this is BETA firmware.
I was able to update with no problems.

Make sure you have the latest AccessPort Manager installed.
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 05:15 PM
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Got the new maps =) At WOT I go from mid 13s to high/mid 12s (as I climb up the RPM) but at low load and idle I'm at 14.7 I'm not sure if that's too lean or not because I remember reading it should be like 14.1ish...
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 05:48 PM
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14.7 is perfectly fine. The stock programming goes there or leaner
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by zoom44
14.7 is perfectly fine. The stock programming goes there or leaner
even at low load :| that's pretty lean for low load isn't it? (like cruising speeds) then how does the AP save gas if the stock programming is leaner?
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Daemos
even at low load :| that's pretty lean for low load isn't it? (like cruising speeds) then how does the AP save gas if the stock programming is leaner?
No, it's perfectly normal.
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by cheeto
^ i wouldnt either. i would be sleeping for an entire day.
I'll sleep when I'm dead.

Originally Posted by devildog1679
I sent you an e-mail on 4/23 from arangoa79@aol.com. Check it when you get a chance.
Checked it. I still need to download their viewer so I can look at your files.

Originally Posted by mysql
the way jeff has the ap tuned for FI, it gets richer at torque peak. Before and after that rpm range it's leaner. But the AFR also seems to reflect a difference between high load and lower load when in boost.
That's my implementation in a nutshell.

Originally Posted by huzer21
Cobb has released Beta firmware update for the AP.
Yes. Everyone please do this.
Especially the people that are receiving their APs this week because your AP wont work otherwise.

Originally Posted by \\Konig\\
does that mean that we can now turn the car off while the AP is in live data mode???
Allegedly.

Originally Posted by huzer21
Caution: just updated my AP and received an error while using AP Manager. Install at your own risk, keep in mind that this is BETA firmware.
The error is meaningless. It will still work.

Originally Posted by Rocketman1976
With the 11 files Jeff sends with the AP can you change the fuel for different RPM's or just a broad across the board change?
The range of calibrations in a set are just designed to get the MAF to report correctly. Nothing else.
Changing the target lambda must be addressed in tuning.
That is why there are "1b_X" and "1c_X" calibration sets.
Look for "1d_X" and "1e_X" in the near future.

Originally Posted by Daemos
Got the new maps =) At WOT I go from mid 13s to high/mid 12s (as I climb up the RPM) but at low load and idle I'm at 14.7 I'm not sure if that's too lean or not because I remember reading it should be like 14.1ish...
That's pretty much perfect for my calibrations.

Originally Posted by Daemos
even at low load :| that's pretty lean for low load isn't it? (like cruising speeds) then how does the AP save gas if the stock programming is leaner?
Because it enables you to have lean targets in every RPM range. The OE PCM tuning shoots for a very rich value above 4k RPM when cruising.
But that has been addressed a bunch of times before over the last several years.

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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 06:59 PM
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MM,

OK, let me know if you need aything else. I sent you two more yesterday. Good to have you back.
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 07:09 PM
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DUDE!!!!

Welcome back
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 07:24 PM
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Jeff, as a soon to be Cobb owner (delivery this week hopefully), do you recommend that I get some kind of data logger to help with fine tuning/mapping?
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 07:25 PM
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welcome back Jeff.

For those of us whose AP's were working as intended, still download firmware?
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by rx8thunder
Jeff, as a soon to be Cobb owner (delivery this week hopefully), do you recommend that I get some kind of data logger to help with fine tuning/mapping?
datalogger will make life easier on you. Do you know anyone in your area who has one?

I use the Scanalyzer and it ROCKS. Not the cheapest of solutions but you get what you pay for..
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Jedi54
datalogger will make life easier on you. Do you know anyone in your area who has one?

I use the Scanalyzer and it ROCKS. Not the cheapest of solutions but you get what you pay for..
There's only one guy in my area that has a Cobb -- will check with him. I'll check out the Scanalyzer in the meantime. Thx
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by rx8thunder
Jeff, as a soon to be Cobb owner (delivery this week hopefully), do you recommend that I get some kind of data logger to help with fine tuning/mapping?
You are in Canada. Its typically 10 to 14 days to get the thing through customs and such.
So, probably not this week, unfortunately.
I'd get some sort of Datalogger. People seem to like the EFIDude thing.
I prefer the Hymee sCANalyzer.

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For those of us whose AP's were working as intended, still download firmware?
Only if you want the updated functionality (its kinda minor).
Wont hurt.
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by rx8thunder
There's only one guy in my area that has a Cobb -- will check with him. I'll check out the Scanalyzer in the meantime. Thx
Like MM said the EFIdude is OK, it's only $150 so it's a bargain. If you want to see it's functionality check out post #2046 in this thread. I'm happy with it, it's good for now untill Cobb (if they do) come out with their own for the AP.
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Daemos
Got the new maps =) At WOT I go from mid 13s to high/mid 12s (as I climb up the RPM) but at low load and idle I'm at 14.7 I'm not sure if that's too lean or not because I remember reading it should be like 14.1ish...
I like the 13.5's, thats where I wanted to have mine set. I wanted to see if he could get it to stay around 13.5's all the way to 9300, but 12.5's is fine and much better than my 11.1-11.39 after 6k.
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by devildog1679
Like MM said the EFIdude is OK, it's only $150 so it's a bargain. If you want to see it's functionality check out post #2046 in this thread. I'm happy with it, it's good for now untill Cobb (if they do) come out with their own for the AP.
That's a reasonable price... will be sure to check it out
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