A cautionary tale: MazdaManiac
12-17-2010, 08:33 PM
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But in the end, it is a personal decision on both sides and you gotta stand by that if you consider yourself a man. So just as I have tried my best not to whine and have taken my licks (I hope that my message has been a consistent yet simple note of caution, barring any inebriated raving) I expect that from anyone that enters into an agreement from me.
All of you rustling the grass in fear would likely not be folks I would want to enter into an agreement with. That is fine. Some of us dont have alot of tolerance for risk.
But there might be someone out there that either is a bit more optimistic than me and is willing to wait a bit. That person just might get a good deal. In any case, if no one bites and, by the grace of the Almighty and all Her hosts, receive the kit, I will be selling it for at least $2000, and I will guarantee that someone is going to want it for that or more.
I am not trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. There will be a blunt, documented email discussion over these points prior to enacting any option contract, if that were ever to happen.
12-17-2010, 08:55 PM
#153
I am well aware of the risk that I would be taking if I take this deal. 1,500 is not a joke and I am seriously pondering on that right now. However, I do have extreme faith in MM to get this done, even if it is on Valve Time.
When I bought my AP, I was well aware that I would not be using his tuning service thanks to this very reason. But I still bought it anyway.
So I know what I am getting myself into if I do decide to go this way .... ethical or not ...
However, I do not have a good feeling about the option thing. Why can't we just contact MM to put my name on the ship list...
Also I am unhappy about the price going up .... 1500 + 1 > 1500
Finally, we can work everything like that out when I get those kind of finances in order, and that will not be before New Year's, I can guarantee at least that.
When I bought my AP, I was well aware that I would not be using his tuning service thanks to this very reason. But I still bought it anyway.
So I know what I am getting myself into if I do decide to go this way .... ethical or not ...
However, I do not have a good feeling about the option thing. Why can't we just contact MM to put my name on the ship list...
Also I am unhappy about the price going up .... 1500 + 1 > 1500
Finally, we can work everything like that out when I get those kind of finances in order, and that will not be before New Year's, I can guarantee at least that.
12-17-2010, 09:06 PM
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The only thing we could do in the direction that you are asking is to talk to Jeff, pay him for the kit, have him refund my money and we would be good to go. (at the agreed price.)
In the official FS offer, I have adjusted for that dollar. Go take a look.
12-17-2010, 10:02 PM
#155
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IMO...ANY Buyer should take a good long look into this before proceeding with ANY Cash exchange.
I also agree with Detrich....all this sounds way too fishy and somewhat "ahead of your time/matter".
Carbon, would it not be better to take names of those "interested" in the Turbo Kit first.
Then once YOU have received it approach interested parties about the transaction amount/details.
There is also one VERY important point....is and would the MM Turbo Kit be transferable "Warranty Wise" to any new 3rd party??, irregardless of whether the kit has not been used or installed by the 2nd party or Seller??
I also agree with Detrich....all this sounds way too fishy and somewhat "ahead of your time/matter".
Carbon, would it not be better to take names of those "interested" in the Turbo Kit first.
Then once YOU have received it approach interested parties about the transaction amount/details.
There is also one VERY important point....is and would the MM Turbo Kit be transferable "Warranty Wise" to any new 3rd party??, irregardless of whether the kit has not been used or installed by the 2nd party or Seller??
12-18-2010, 01:04 AM
#157
I simply cannot sell what I don't have. The option takes care of that. E.g., if you were to pay for the kit and I never delivered it to you because Jeff never delivered it to me, you would then rightfully have issue with me and ask for a refund. I would have to honor that. I am not saying the option gives me a way to rip you off, tho some might interpret it that way; it allows me to place a solid endpoint to the transaction. Otherwise, there is absolutely no reason for me to make the offer.
I see what you mean ... thanks for clarification
12-18-2010, 01:32 AM
#158
This seems like a completely reasonable way to teal with the situation. A buyer who has faith that MM will deliver gets the kit at a good discount price. In effect, the transfer of risk is what's being sold, not the kit.
Nothing about this arrangement is "shady" in the least, it only seems that way if you don't understand it. These type of option sales happen all the time in business, finance, etc.
I hope this works out, for all parties involved....
Nothing about this arrangement is "shady" in the least, it only seems that way if you don't understand it. These type of option sales happen all the time in business, finance, etc.
I hope this works out, for all parties involved....
12-18-2010, 02:30 AM
#159
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Yeah right..
12-19-2010, 02:07 AM
#161
Well, it is an excellent suggestion.
I am editing my prior offer and will post the official version shortly. What I am selling is a binding option to buy my kit the moment it is available. When you buy the option, you take receipt of said option immediately. Sall of the kit itself will occur when the kit is available to me.
For example, someone pays $1500 and buys the option to buy the kit. That person receives what they paid for. The option. When the kit is available to me, I will sell the kit to that person for the pre-agreed option price of $1.
Legally and ethically, this is a preferable method of dealing with this even though the outcome is the same.
I am editing my prior offer and will post the official version shortly. What I am selling is a binding option to buy my kit the moment it is available. When you buy the option, you take receipt of said option immediately. Sall of the kit itself will occur when the kit is available to me.
For example, someone pays $1500 and buys the option to buy the kit. That person receives what they paid for. The option. When the kit is available to me, I will sell the kit to that person for the pre-agreed option price of $1.
Legally and ethically, this is a preferable method of dealing with this even though the outcome is the same.
I do this kind of stuff with real estate all the time . Can't see any reason it can't work here .
12-19-2010, 02:23 AM
#162
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^^ roflmao... ok, that photo & caption had me on the floor. but, it was my original point exactly...
just as an example, i read about how some guy got some guy got a decent amount of his $ back thru his credit card company after a vendor sold him a defective product and evaporated into oblivion... each scenario is different, and am not saying that this solution always works or it is the solution for this case.
but, if someone personally knows MM and honestly believes that MM can deliver within a reasonable time after already failing to do so in a 2 year period- given MM claims now to be paying $4k a month and only taking in $2k- and therefore implying i guess that he can print paper $ out of his ***- then keep being luke skywalker and boning princess lea i guess... <lol>
all joking aside, i do believe that we should strive to do the right thing and not blur the lines between what is right -vs- what is wrong ....
that said... enjoy <lol>
just as an example, i read about how some guy got some guy got a decent amount of his $ back thru his credit card company after a vendor sold him a defective product and evaporated into oblivion... each scenario is different, and am not saying that this solution always works or it is the solution for this case.
but, if someone personally knows MM and honestly believes that MM can deliver within a reasonable time after already failing to do so in a 2 year period- given MM claims now to be paying $4k a month and only taking in $2k- and therefore implying i guess that he can print paper $ out of his ***- then keep being luke skywalker and boning princess lea i guess... <lol>
all joking aside, i do believe that we should strive to do the right thing and not blur the lines between what is right -vs- what is wrong ....
that said... enjoy <lol>
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12-19-2010, 02:23 AM
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I am well aware of the risk that I would be taking if I take this deal. 1,500 is not a joke and I am seriously pondering on that right now. However, I do have extreme faith in MM to get this done, even if it is on Valve Time.
When I bought my AP, I was well aware that I would not be using his tuning service thanks to this very reason. But I still bought it anyway.
So I know what I am getting myself into if I do decide to go this way .... ethical or not ...
However, I do not have a good feeling about the option thing. Why can't we just contact MM to put my name on the ship list...
Also I am unhappy about the price going up .... 1500 + 1 > 1500
Finally, we can work everything like that out when I get those kind of finances in order, and that will not be before New Year's, I can guarantee at least that.
When I bought my AP, I was well aware that I would not be using his tuning service thanks to this very reason. But I still bought it anyway.
So I know what I am getting myself into if I do decide to go this way .... ethical or not ...
However, I do not have a good feeling about the option thing. Why can't we just contact MM to put my name on the ship list...
Also I am unhappy about the price going up .... 1500 + 1 > 1500
Finally, we can work everything like that out when I get those kind of finances in order, and that will not be before New Year's, I can guarantee at least that.
I doubt anyone will argue with your reasoning ...
https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...0&postcount=36
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12-19-2010, 03:43 AM
#167
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Real Estate...Bricks and Mortar, Land, or Commercial Property is not exactly an easy "physical" transfer like a turbo kit..
Perhaps I am more cynical, but, again, why not just wait until this "product" is actually shipped to its original buyer/purchaser and then this owner can on-sell..
One would think at the very least all this goes against this forums policy?..
That is soliciting and receiving money without supplying goods...Oh hang on that is what happened here originally didn't it...how silly of me.
So what is the difference between Mazsport and this "Vendor"...a Claytons Vendor.
12-19-2010, 04:28 AM
#169
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Probably not new news..looks like Scott from Mazsport is back in "a" business and on eBay!
Perhaps he can supply a turbo kit?
http://www.mindseyeengineering.com/
http://stores.ebay.com/Minds-Eye-Engineering
Perhaps he can supply a turbo kit?
http://www.mindseyeengineering.com/
http://stores.ebay.com/Minds-Eye-Engineering
12-19-2010, 10:18 AM
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I actually appreciate the concern and discussion, and I hope it continues, but I if you could keep the discussion on topic and not bring up old issues that you have no knowledge or involvement, that would be great....
I also find it interesting how folks will split around this issue. Looks like some of you cant see the deal through the risk. Ash, your point that I wait till I have the turbo misses the point altogether. When I get the kit, it is either going on ebay with a reserve of $2k+ or on here with a significantly higher price. I am essentially spending $500 so as to finish this off.
As for Jeff finishing or not finishing, I think it would be fair to say that if someone believes that he will finish the kit when he can, that he is essentially not a thief, then there is no risk for that person to loose their money. There would be a risk that they will miss the sale when it happens or that it goes to a higher bidder. Given the rarity of these kits, and the ease that they integrate with a greddy kit, I think that is significant.
To those that are convinced that Jeff is a crook, that he ripped me off, then those folks should not even consider the deal. It is a simple, easy concept. Nevertheless, I encourage further intellectual discussion on the ethics regarding my offer. It is quite interesting.
Note that I am NOT trying to rip anyone off, no matter what anyone says.
12-19-2010, 11:08 AM
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hmm. ..i cant think how u will do this , im actuaaly looking for a turbo kit, but with MM actitude of never answering emails or pms and his financial situation the risk is double, i know the kit will be going for a good discount but me personally will prefer paying the extra 500 dollars than loosing 1500 if the kit never gets done or if will take 2 more years to finish,when i could have bought another kit, any way it goes. good luck dude
