Official 2012 Formula 1 Season Discussion
02-10-2012, 01:17 AM
#126
taking the short route i hope...
is austin going to happen? that track that may happen is 4 miles from where i used to live. would kill to have an excuse to go back.
what a great town..
and to AL got some questions for you now that i am back.. paul. trying to spend money with chris.
beers
is austin going to happen? that track that may happen is 4 miles from where i used to live. would kill to have an excuse to go back.
what a great town..
and to AL got some questions for you now that i am back.. paul. trying to spend money with chris.
beers
02-10-2012, 07:13 AM
#127
taking the short route i hope...
is austin going to happen? that track that may happen is 4 miles from where i used to live. would kill to have an excuse to go back.
what a great town..
and to AL got some questions for you now that i am back.. paul. trying to spend money with chris.
beers
is austin going to happen? that track that may happen is 4 miles from where i used to live. would kill to have an excuse to go back.
what a great town..
and to AL got some questions for you now that i am back.. paul. trying to spend money with chris.
beers
Shoot me your questions.
02-11-2012, 07:18 AM
#129
Jerez Formula 1 test round-up
more at: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97491
Alonso: This lap time means nothing
more at: http://www.planetf1.com/driver/3213/...-means-nothing
Great anticipation surrounds the start of pre-season Formula 1 testing. With teams working from a blank canvas over the winter, there is no form book or established order. Instead there is unpredictability and expectation, great assets in any sport.
Everything must, of course, be measured against the well-beaten truism that testing can be misleading at best, and impossible to decipher at worst. Here's how the four days at Jerez panned out...
Everything must, of course, be measured against the well-beaten truism that testing can be misleading at best, and impossible to decipher at worst. Here's how the four days at Jerez panned out...
Alonso: This lap time means nothing
Fernando Alonso has downplayed his Friday P1 time, saying times set during testing are not an indication of what is to come.
After a slow start to pre-season testing, which raised concerns even within the Ferrari camp about the pace of their new F2012, Alonso found some speed on Friday morning at Jerez.
The double World Champion finally ducked below the 1:20.000 barrier and then went even quicker, posting a 1:18.877.
His time proved to be the second quickest of the four days with only Lotus's Romain Grosjean faster and only by 0.458s.
Asked about it on Friday evening, he told Ferrari's official website: "This time is worth nothing as is the one I set yesterday and those of the previous days.
After a slow start to pre-season testing, which raised concerns even within the Ferrari camp about the pace of their new F2012, Alonso found some speed on Friday morning at Jerez.
The double World Champion finally ducked below the 1:20.000 barrier and then went even quicker, posting a 1:18.877.
His time proved to be the second quickest of the four days with only Lotus's Romain Grosjean faster and only by 0.458s.
Asked about it on Friday evening, he told Ferrari's official website: "This time is worth nothing as is the one I set yesterday and those of the previous days.
02-11-2012, 08:51 AM
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did anyone notice that with the blown diffusers and the double decker diffusers now gone, we'll finally see a field full diffusers they intended with the 2009 regulations! even then so much has changed since 2009...they made the front tires narrower for 2010 and introduced the movable front wing and banned refueling, then yanked the front wing for 2011 and went to Pirellis and DRS rear wings instead of f-ducts. It's crazy that by the time a core design concept like the diffuser has everyone on board and doing it to the spirit of the regs they've changed so many other things.
02-13-2012, 02:10 PM
#133
'Ferrari are only 20 percent ready' BAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
02-14-2012, 06:10 AM
#134
Mercedes confirms launch date
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=45588
What a difference a P1 makes
more at: http://www.planetf1.com/driver/3213/...nce-a-P1-makes
Mercedes has confirmed that its 2012 contender, the MGP WO3, will be unveiled at Barcelona
next Tuesday.
The Brackley-based outfit's new car will be unveiled by drivers Michael Schumacher and Nico Rosberg early in the morning, shortly before the second pre-season test gets underway.
The German manufacturer, which opted to run its 2011 car in Jerez, where it was quickest on two of the three days it ran, will allow Schumacher to complete the first laps in the new car
before handing over to teammate Rosberg who will get his hands on the car on Wednesday. Schumacher is back in the car on Thursday with Rosberg back in the cockpit for the final day of the first of two tests at the Catalunya circuit before the season kicks off in Melbourne on March 16.
Fourth for the last two seasons, Mercedes needs to make a significant step forward this season, especially with Lotus expected to be stronger than in 2011.
next Tuesday.
The Brackley-based outfit's new car will be unveiled by drivers Michael Schumacher and Nico Rosberg early in the morning, shortly before the second pre-season test gets underway.
The German manufacturer, which opted to run its 2011 car in Jerez, where it was quickest on two of the three days it ran, will allow Schumacher to complete the first laps in the new car
before handing over to teammate Rosberg who will get his hands on the car on Wednesday. Schumacher is back in the car on Thursday with Rosberg back in the cockpit for the final day of the first of two tests at the Catalunya circuit before the season kicks off in Melbourne on March 16.
Fourth for the last two seasons, Mercedes needs to make a significant step forward this season, especially with Lotus expected to be stronger than in 2011.
What a difference a P1 makes
Ferrari may not be putting too much weight into Fernando Alonso's best time at Jerez, however, it has gone a long way towards easing their concerns.
Prior to Friday's final day at the Spanish circuit, Ferrari had failed to break into the 1:19s, a feat all their main rivals had achieved.
This prompted technical director Pat Fry to reveal that he had a few concerns.
"I am not happy with where we are at the moment," he said on Thursday.
"There is a lot of room for us to improve. Reliability-wise it is good. Performance-wise I think we are okay.
"But we can play around with the performance and improve the car in some corners, and some particular parts of the corner. But I would not say I am happy yet until we get the whole thing working."
Less than 24 hours, Alonso posted a 1:18.877 - the fastest time of the day and the second quickest of the test - and Ferrari's exhaust layout was declared legal.....
Prior to Friday's final day at the Spanish circuit, Ferrari had failed to break into the 1:19s, a feat all their main rivals had achieved.
This prompted technical director Pat Fry to reveal that he had a few concerns.
"I am not happy with where we are at the moment," he said on Thursday.
"There is a lot of room for us to improve. Reliability-wise it is good. Performance-wise I think we are okay.
"But we can play around with the performance and improve the car in some corners, and some particular parts of the corner. But I would not say I am happy yet until we get the whole thing working."
Less than 24 hours, Alonso posted a 1:18.877 - the fastest time of the day and the second quickest of the test - and Ferrari's exhaust layout was declared legal.....
02-16-2012, 09:26 AM
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Red Bull wary of new Mercedes
Red Bull's Adrian Newey believes that Mercedes is launching its car later than its rivals in order to hide something from the rest of the teams.
The new Mercedes W03 will be launched on February 21 as the second pre-season test gets underway in Barcelona. Mercedes said it was a trade-off between development time and on-track mileage but with only two tests remaining before the start of the new season Newey believes that the team is trying to conceal a development on the car.
"I assume that they want to hide something from the competition," Newey admitted to Sport Bild. "It must be something that can be copied quite quickly; otherwise they wouldn't try so hard to keep it secret."
Mercedes - under its previous guise as Brawn - has previously succeeded with a late launch in 2009 when a car featuring a double diffuser was only run at the final two tests but went on to win both championships. Newey was not alone in believing Mercedes had discovered some sort of innovation once again, with Helmut Marko adding: "They seem to have something special at the front of the car."
Nico Rosberg carried out a shakedown of the new W03 for Mercedes at Silverstone on Thursday.
http://en.espnf1.com//redbull/motors...ory/70474.html
Red Bull's Adrian Newey believes that Mercedes is launching its car later than its rivals in order to hide something from the rest of the teams.
The new Mercedes W03 will be launched on February 21 as the second pre-season test gets underway in Barcelona. Mercedes said it was a trade-off between development time and on-track mileage but with only two tests remaining before the start of the new season Newey believes that the team is trying to conceal a development on the car.
"I assume that they want to hide something from the competition," Newey admitted to Sport Bild. "It must be something that can be copied quite quickly; otherwise they wouldn't try so hard to keep it secret."
Mercedes - under its previous guise as Brawn - has previously succeeded with a late launch in 2009 when a car featuring a double diffuser was only run at the final two tests but went on to win both championships. Newey was not alone in believing Mercedes had discovered some sort of innovation once again, with Helmut Marko adding: "They seem to have something special at the front of the car."
Nico Rosberg carried out a shakedown of the new W03 for Mercedes at Silverstone on Thursday.
http://en.espnf1.com//redbull/motors...ory/70474.html
02-16-2012, 10:59 AM
#136
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It's believed they have a kind of f-duct on the front wing. Air comes in through a hole in the nose, travels down the support struts and comes out at the back of the front wing pushing more air under the car.
02-16-2012, 11:49 PM
#138
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'Ferrari are only 20 percent ready' BAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
02-17-2012, 06:26 AM
#139
European livin n ohio
We'll see in Melbourne where Ferrari stands. I think they'll be competitive. The McLaren however isn't doing too well so far.
Also petrov is taking over trulli's seat.
Also petrov is taking over trulli's seat.
02-17-2012, 12:00 PM
#142
I'd say that they are underdeveloped so being mediocre is just a result.
Think about how hard it is to even attempt to race thanks to the ACI-CSAI mafia here and Peroni promotion's pimps.
The crappiest series costs no less than 2000€ per race, 450€ for every 20min of free practice, tyres (overpriced thanks to the tyre seller monopoly) and the general wear and tear.
Sponsors don't care because our advertising and communication technologies are medieval at best.
Bortolotti is a clear example of this situation. The first time he drove a f1 car he set fiorano's record. Yet we still argue about petrov and a bunch of nobodies like karthikeyan!
Think about how hard it is to even attempt to race thanks to the ACI-CSAI mafia here and Peroni promotion's pimps.
The crappiest series costs no less than 2000€ per race, 450€ for every 20min of free practice, tyres (overpriced thanks to the tyre seller monopoly) and the general wear and tear.
Sponsors don't care because our advertising and communication technologies are medieval at best.
Bortolotti is a clear example of this situation. The first time he drove a f1 car he set fiorano's record. Yet we still argue about petrov and a bunch of nobodies like karthikeyan!
02-17-2012, 12:07 PM
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....yeah, saw that. I'm getting sick of this pay driver business!! Granted, Trulli was getting beat by Heiki, but he's still a much better driver than Petrov! And I saw a brief interview with Mika Salo....talking about how shitty Williams' line up is...I totally agree!! They should have kept Rubens and had Senna and Maldonado share the season. Without an experienced driver, they're going to have a crappy car this year, and probably next year too!! Williams used to be one of my favorite teams....nowadays, who knows what the heck they're thinking 
02-17-2012, 02:18 PM
#144
European livin n ohio
IMO petrov is better than trulli. Petrov is hungry and trulli just drives around like rosberg, accepting what position he's in and not pushing or taking risks. The money petrov brings could easily be the reason that caterham will be found in the midfield instead of the back. IMO a win-win..
Mika salo shouldn't talk because other than filling in for Schumacher when he broke his legs, all he's ever done was crash.
As far as the Mercedes goes, God I hope they built a contender!
Mika salo shouldn't talk because other than filling in for Schumacher when he broke his legs, all he's ever done was crash.
As far as the Mercedes goes, God I hope they built a contender!
02-17-2012, 02:38 PM
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I see your point, but let us not forget, Petrov wrote off several chassis during practice and qualifying...not to mention the ones during a race. All the money he brings with him is going to go to buying spare parts!! LOL...
WAAAAAAA?!?!?!?! Salo was the man! He was pretty much a sure thing for points in just about any car he drove, he put in some great drives for Jordan, Williams, Ferrari....and I think one or two other teams. Granted, he has torn up a few cars, but I think he was fairly solid as a fill in...anyway, those days for him are long gone
and AMEN!!! I've never been a MS fan, but damn I'd like to see him win one or two this year. Him and Webber...I really hope Webber takes the fight to Vettle this year.
WAAAAAAA?!?!?!?! Salo was the man! He was pretty much a sure thing for points in just about any car he drove, he put in some great drives for Jordan, Williams, Ferrari....and I think one or two other teams. Granted, he has torn up a few cars, but I think he was fairly solid as a fill in...anyway, those days for him are long gone
and AMEN!!! I've never been a MS fan, but damn I'd like to see him win one or two this year. Him and Webber...I really hope Webber takes the fight to Vettle this year.
02-17-2012, 02:50 PM
#146
I don't think webber will be much of a factor if the competitors were able to close in the gap during the offseason.
Alonso always said that we have to worry about hammy, not about vettel. This kinds of put things in perspective.
Imho Ferrari will be in the top 4 at the beginning of the season but thanks to domenicali we will pit every 2 laps and never win a race.
Alonso always said that we have to worry about hammy, not about vettel. This kinds of put things in perspective.
Imho Ferrari will be in the top 4 at the beginning of the season but thanks to domenicali we will pit every 2 laps and never win a race.
02-17-2012, 03:29 PM
#148
I'm afraid Nando will be the underdog, with vettel, hammy, button fighting for the championship.
Ferrari adopted a system used only by Minardi in the last 10+ years... Aero and engine aside (i hope they can still make engines up there) that's what scares me.
The car looks compact and has a longer wheelbase, that's something i like at least.
Maybe i'm wrong and he'll just confirm what I think about him.
MS is still a great driver but let's not forget his luck during ferrari's golden years:
Fiatrari wasn't today abomination,
Jean Todt,
No real competitors except maybe hakkinen and coulthard. Senna bit the dust too early to be a real treat.
Less than fair rules and favoritism
Team orders.
Don't get me wrong, he was still a menace and a rain master but luck surely played a role.
I may be wrong but I like Nando more than him as a person. His choice to extend his deal with ferrari was a real class act for the time being. He wants to win and he wants to do it in red. As a tifoso that's what I like to hear!
Ferrari adopted a system used only by Minardi in the last 10+ years... Aero and engine aside (i hope they can still make engines up there) that's what scares me.
The car looks compact and has a longer wheelbase, that's something i like at least.
Maybe i'm wrong and he'll just confirm what I think about him.
MS is still a great driver but let's not forget his luck during ferrari's golden years:
Fiatrari wasn't today abomination,
Jean Todt,
No real competitors except maybe hakkinen and coulthard. Senna bit the dust too early to be a real treat.
Less than fair rules and favoritism
Team orders.
Don't get me wrong, he was still a menace and a rain master but luck surely played a role.
I may be wrong but I like Nando more than him as a person. His choice to extend his deal with ferrari was a real class act for the time being. He wants to win and he wants to do it in red. As a tifoso that's what I like to hear!
02-17-2012, 04:06 PM
#149
European livin n ohio
Hamilton is the best driver on the grid together with Alonso. Button as I've stated a page or two back isn't a threat. At all. I'm bored with Massa he whines worse than a woman in a shoe store.
Luck gets you A title (button) not seven. And I'd rather race against ten vettels than one hakkinen. Coulthard was the biggest ***** on the grid, he took 30 laps to get past a mid fielder. Just as worthless as Massa, rosberg and Webber IMO. They are useful as second drivers and that's it.
Like him or not Schumacher is an amazing driver and had it not been for some silly incidents (some his fault, some weren't. petrov in Korea and senna in Brazil) he would've beaten him.
Luck gets you A title (button) not seven. And I'd rather race against ten vettels than one hakkinen. Coulthard was the biggest ***** on the grid, he took 30 laps to get past a mid fielder. Just as worthless as Massa, rosberg and Webber IMO. They are useful as second drivers and that's it.
Like him or not Schumacher is an amazing driver and had it not been for some silly incidents (some his fault, some weren't. petrov in Korea and senna in Brazil) he would've beaten him.
02-17-2012, 04:24 PM
#150
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And don't forget when senna died, Schumacher was right behind him. Senna was amazing and if I have to name two drivers who embody his style and talent I'd say Schumacher and Hamilton. Both aggressive, natural drivers not scared to get a little rough from time to time. Senna/Prost in Japan. Schumacher/hill and Schumacher/Villeneuve. Hamilton/Massa in England just to name some.
all three are aggressive sometimes dirty drivers driven by fire and that's why they are so good and loved/hated. Hamilton will win more titles I'm sure of it and so will Alonso who is to a lesser degree as the other three. Vettel unless he wins more titles which I doubt, will barely be remembered because he lacks that fire.
all three are aggressive sometimes dirty drivers driven by fire and that's why they are so good and loved/hated. Hamilton will win more titles I'm sure of it and so will Alonso who is to a lesser degree as the other three. Vettel unless he wins more titles which I doubt, will barely be remembered because he lacks that fire.