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03-07-2010, 10:12 AM
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"Newcomers could be a danger"
Mmm... Let me think, where have I "read" this before?... That's right, I remember... it was just a few posts back HERE!! 
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Actual article: http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,1895...007856,00.html
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Felipe Massa has taken a swing at Formula One's newcomers, saying he fears their lack of pace could prove a danger to others on the track.
This year's Championship will see three new outfits join the Formula One grid; Virgin; Lotus and Hispania Racing.
Of those three only two have tested with Virgin and Lotus taking part in the pre-season action while Hispania Racing has yet to turn a wheel in anger out on the track.
However, even though Virgin and Lotus have a number under their belts, both teams were well off the pace in testing, finishing as much as five seconds behind the front runners on an average day.
And it's because of their lack of pace that Massa fears they could be danger - or at least ruin other drivers' races.
"I hope they won't be a danger," Massa said in an interview with Italy's Corriere della Sera, which was reprinted on Ferrari's website.
"There are 6 to 7 teams one second apart while those teams are four seconds behind. It's not good for the sport and not good for them: it's like two different series.
"They'll suffer. And we'll suffer too, when we have them in front of us during qualifying."
This year's Championship will see three new outfits join the Formula One grid; Virgin; Lotus and Hispania Racing.
Of those three only two have tested with Virgin and Lotus taking part in the pre-season action while Hispania Racing has yet to turn a wheel in anger out on the track.
However, even though Virgin and Lotus have a number under their belts, both teams were well off the pace in testing, finishing as much as five seconds behind the front runners on an average day.
And it's because of their lack of pace that Massa fears they could be danger - or at least ruin other drivers' races.
"I hope they won't be a danger," Massa said in an interview with Italy's Corriere della Sera, which was reprinted on Ferrari's website.
"There are 6 to 7 teams one second apart while those teams are four seconds behind. It's not good for the sport and not good for them: it's like two different series.
"They'll suffer. And we'll suffer too, when we have them in front of us during qualifying."
Actual article: http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,1895...007856,00.html
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03-07-2010, 12:23 PM
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I read that too Polo, and I kept thinking to myself. How come that it is such a problem on a 1.5 hour race when it works so well in 24 hour lemans? There are 4 different classes with much more difference than 4 seconds / lap.
Besides chances are that the new teams will catch up partway during the season lessening the gap to perhaps 2-3 seconds.
The only real argument is the qualifier (where the new teams might be a technical difficulty), but that should not concern the top teams. The new teams will always fly out in Q1 where as the top teams can usually glide to Q3 without too much trouble.
So really I find the talk of danger to be a bit over the top. Technical difficulty, yes but it can be overcome, just like in lemans.
As for the teams having what it takes for F1, that is another discussion. One that FIA should take to heart of which teams are admitted, but once FIA have admitted them everyone else should just do their job and race. Not all this whining about the new teams, it adds nothing to the sport.
And yes, Ferrari is just looking for easy points to score against FIA (and Max Mosley).
Besides chances are that the new teams will catch up partway during the season lessening the gap to perhaps 2-3 seconds.
The only real argument is the qualifier (where the new teams might be a technical difficulty), but that should not concern the top teams. The new teams will always fly out in Q1 where as the top teams can usually glide to Q3 without too much trouble.
So really I find the talk of danger to be a bit over the top. Technical difficulty, yes but it can be overcome, just like in lemans.
As for the teams having what it takes for F1, that is another discussion. One that FIA should take to heart of which teams are admitted, but once FIA have admitted them everyone else should just do their job and race. Not all this whining about the new teams, it adds nothing to the sport.
And yes, Ferrari is just looking for easy points to score against FIA (and Max Mosley).
03-08-2010, 12:22 PM
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Mmm... Let me think, where have I "read" this before?... That's right, I remember... it was just a few posts back HERE!!
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Actual article: http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,1895...007856,00.html
Carlos
Read on...
Actual article: http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,1895...007856,00.html
Carlos
btw looks like Massa is trying to down play his last comment.
I read the stories in the press that I spoke badly about the new teams," he is quoted as saying by Brazil's Globo.
"I didn't do that, I just said the (lap) time difference (to the established teams) is too big.
"It cannot be good for anyone if a car is three seconds slower: not for the sport, for the people who watch, or for the teams themselves.
"But I am in favour of new teams coming in, because the more cars racing the better," said Massa, who drove a 2008 Ferrari fitted with demonstration tyres around the Interlagos circuit in his native Sao Paulo.
guesss massa and polo doesnt understand why Lemans racing is so popular. we love watching those races, because of the traffic, and watching the fast cars, zip in out of traffic. So I dont understand, why he think it will be bad for ppl who watch F1. He should just come out and say, its just bad for him.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/11003082...t-new-f1-teams
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03-08-2010, 02:30 PM
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to me , that article sounds like Massa is scared of his qualify times. A GOOD DRIVER knows how to change his situation. i guess Massa isnt a GOOD DRIVER to change up , if he is worrrying about slow cars getting his in way. Guess that is why HE IS NOT THE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP of 2008 LMAO.
btw looks like Massa is trying to down play his last comment.
I read the stories in the press that I spoke badly about the new teams," he is quoted as saying by Brazil's Globo.
"I didn't do that, I just said the (lap) time difference (to the established teams) is too big.
"It cannot be good for anyone if a car is three seconds slower: not for the sport, for the people who watch, or for the teams themselves.
"But I am in favour of new teams coming in, because the more cars racing the better," said Massa, who drove a 2008 Ferrari fitted with demonstration tyres around the Interlagos circuit in his native Sao Paulo.
guesss massa and polo doesnt understand why Lemans racing is so popular. we love watching those races, because of the traffic, and watching the fast cars, zip in out of traffic. So I dont understand, why he think it will be bad for ppl who watch F1. He should just come out and say, its just bad for him.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/11003082...t-new-f1-teams
btw looks like Massa is trying to down play his last comment.
I read the stories in the press that I spoke badly about the new teams," he is quoted as saying by Brazil's Globo.
"I didn't do that, I just said the (lap) time difference (to the established teams) is too big.
"It cannot be good for anyone if a car is three seconds slower: not for the sport, for the people who watch, or for the teams themselves.
"But I am in favour of new teams coming in, because the more cars racing the better," said Massa, who drove a 2008 Ferrari fitted with demonstration tyres around the Interlagos circuit in his native Sao Paulo.
guesss massa and polo doesnt understand why Lemans racing is so popular. we love watching those races, because of the traffic, and watching the fast cars, zip in out of traffic. So I dont understand, why he think it will be bad for ppl who watch F1. He should just come out and say, its just bad for him.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/11003082...t-new-f1-teams
03-08-2010, 02:52 PM
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If someone is being lapped, why should he be allowed to change the outcome of the race directly if he is in the last position? That doesn't make much sense to me.
03-09-2010, 12:55 PM
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I just don't see the point in involving marshals and stewards in what should be a driver-to-driver matter. I'd rather see passing be determined by driver skill and vehicle performance than by the movement of pieces of cloth off the track.
03-09-2010, 01:04 PM
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I do see where you are comign from, about the blue flag. But its their for safety reasons. Unlike Lemans, F1 doesnt have any head lights to blink to let the cars ahead knw that faster cars are coming. So blue flag is their to let the slow car know, the messisah is coming (hamilton)
03-09-2010, 02:18 PM
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If driver 1 has really bad luck, driver 2 will then catch up during a passable part and pass without having to slow down. This has nothing to do with driver skill, only track layout. And yet we have an extremely unfair situation.
It could even cost driver 1 his race if his pit strategy depended on pulling out a 4-5 second lead before pitting and then loosing it all just because he has to lap a slowpoke.
No the blue flag is a good thing, an alternative would be that cars that are about to get lapped get black flagged and taken out of the race, but that is not a very good solution either
03-10-2010, 06:02 AM
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Stop bellyaching about the new boys
The moaning and sniping by drivers and management of bigger teams about the presence of the three newcomers on the grid in Bahrain is a bit rich, almost verging on the arrogant.
The processional nature of Formula One seriously hit audiences and, as a result, commercial income in the early 2000s, and a couple of absorbing seasons could not hide the fact that new blood was needed. It would be naïve to expect anyone entering the sport to arrive with a team ready to go head-to-head with Ferrari or McLaren. Force India hardly set the world alight when it launched in 2008, and yet a year later it was up among the front runners.
It is also naïve to think all three of the new boys will be competitive any time soon. If teams don’t get their acts together quickly, backers will depart and financial pressures will force them out. It’s survival of the fittest.
The bellyaching about the danger presented by slow cars has little merit - backmarkers have always played a part in the sport. In the 1980s when some truly abject outfits came and went, some cars which were barely roadworthy spluttered round circuits as slow-moving roadblocks. Read autobiographies of leading drivers from the period and their accounts of races often bemoan problems posed by tail-end Charlies; nevertheless, while they saw them as a pain they stopped short of sniffily moaning they were not got good enough to be in the same race as the big boys. And while Lotus might be a few seconds slower than Ferrari, teams such as Life and Lola were up to 20 seconds a lap off the pace.
However, the moans might have more substance when discussing HRT. Whether the FIA should allow a car that has never been driven on a track to enter a grand prix is debateable. That the team has two drivers with no F1 experience between them should also sound alarm bells. The FIA will have to keep a close eye on HRT’s cars and be prepared to temporarily yank them out of the fray if things start looking silly.
As for Lotus and Virgin – they’ve paid their entry fee, they’ve got cars, drivers and some decent management brains behind them. They have every right to be on the grid in Bahrain. Those who think otherwise should shut up and get on with looking after their own concerns.
http://blogs.espnf1.com/editor_blog/...ut_the_new.php
Finally someone goes straight out and tell them that it has been much worse in the history of F1. Everyone today seems to describe the current situation as if it is the worst thing that ever happened....
The moaning and sniping by drivers and management of bigger teams about the presence of the three newcomers on the grid in Bahrain is a bit rich, almost verging on the arrogant.
The processional nature of Formula One seriously hit audiences and, as a result, commercial income in the early 2000s, and a couple of absorbing seasons could not hide the fact that new blood was needed. It would be naïve to expect anyone entering the sport to arrive with a team ready to go head-to-head with Ferrari or McLaren. Force India hardly set the world alight when it launched in 2008, and yet a year later it was up among the front runners.
It is also naïve to think all three of the new boys will be competitive any time soon. If teams don’t get their acts together quickly, backers will depart and financial pressures will force them out. It’s survival of the fittest.
The bellyaching about the danger presented by slow cars has little merit - backmarkers have always played a part in the sport. In the 1980s when some truly abject outfits came and went, some cars which were barely roadworthy spluttered round circuits as slow-moving roadblocks. Read autobiographies of leading drivers from the period and their accounts of races often bemoan problems posed by tail-end Charlies; nevertheless, while they saw them as a pain they stopped short of sniffily moaning they were not got good enough to be in the same race as the big boys. And while Lotus might be a few seconds slower than Ferrari, teams such as Life and Lola were up to 20 seconds a lap off the pace.
However, the moans might have more substance when discussing HRT. Whether the FIA should allow a car that has never been driven on a track to enter a grand prix is debateable. That the team has two drivers with no F1 experience between them should also sound alarm bells. The FIA will have to keep a close eye on HRT’s cars and be prepared to temporarily yank them out of the fray if things start looking silly.
As for Lotus and Virgin – they’ve paid their entry fee, they’ve got cars, drivers and some decent management brains behind them. They have every right to be on the grid in Bahrain. Those who think otherwise should shut up and get on with looking after their own concerns.
http://blogs.espnf1.com/editor_blog/...ut_the_new.php
Finally someone goes straight out and tell them that it has been much worse in the history of F1. Everyone today seems to describe the current situation as if it is the worst thing that ever happened....
03-10-2010, 09:57 AM
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This is why Mclaren > Ferrari in my book. Now other ppl, its the other way around.
Bosses of the top outfits McLaren and Red Bull have issued differing views about the influx of small new teams in formula one.
After Ferrari issued a scathing denunciation of Virgin, Lotus and HRT, McLaren's managing director Jonathan Neale on Tuesday called on the sport to support its newcomers.
"We have to try and get new teams off the ground and stabilise them as quickly as possible because we need it in view of the disappointing (team) losses," he said.
But Neale did express some concern about the Spanish outfit HRT, whose rookie lineup Bruno Senna and Karun Chandhok will give the 2010 car its track debut on Friday.
"I'm sure that the FIA will look very closely at it and if there are big gaps in closing speeds and plenty of red flags, then they'll take the necessary actions," he said.
Former McLaren driver Heikki Kovalainen, who has switched for 2010 to Lotus, said it is "great to hear" his ex team is supportive.
However, Red Bull team principal Christian Horner was less diplomatic than Neale.
"We will just try to stay out of their way," he is quoted as saying by the Times. "The danger is the time difference is going to be so big - up to five seconds a lap - and the difference in the closing speeds is massive.
"The potential for them to cause an incident is reasonably high," added Horner.
Timo Glock, who last year raced for Toyota but has switched to Virgin, said the criticisms do not concern him.
"I don't care," he told the Frankfurter Rundschau newspaper.
"I think that for the fans and for formula one, it is a good thing if new teams can come in," Glock added.
This is why Mclaren > Ferrari in my book. Now other ppl, its the other way around.
Bosses of the top outfits McLaren and Red Bull have issued differing views about the influx of small new teams in formula one.
After Ferrari issued a scathing denunciation of Virgin, Lotus and HRT, McLaren's managing director Jonathan Neale on Tuesday called on the sport to support its newcomers.
"We have to try and get new teams off the ground and stabilise them as quickly as possible because we need it in view of the disappointing (team) losses," he said.
But Neale did express some concern about the Spanish outfit HRT, whose rookie lineup Bruno Senna and Karun Chandhok will give the 2010 car its track debut on Friday.
"I'm sure that the FIA will look very closely at it and if there are big gaps in closing speeds and plenty of red flags, then they'll take the necessary actions," he said.
Former McLaren driver Heikki Kovalainen, who has switched for 2010 to Lotus, said it is "great to hear" his ex team is supportive.
However, Red Bull team principal Christian Horner was less diplomatic than Neale.
"We will just try to stay out of their way," he is quoted as saying by the Times. "The danger is the time difference is going to be so big - up to five seconds a lap - and the difference in the closing speeds is massive.
"The potential for them to cause an incident is reasonably high," added Horner.
Timo Glock, who last year raced for Toyota but has switched to Virgin, said the criticisms do not concern him.
"I don't care," he told the Frankfurter Rundschau newspaper.
"I think that for the fans and for formula one, it is a good thing if new teams can come in," Glock added.
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03-11-2010, 02:11 PM
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McLaren's 2010 car, including its controversial rear wing design, has been given the green light by FIA officials in Bahrain on Thursday. (IN YOUR FACE )
At least two teams, Red Bull and Ferrari, had asked the governing body to issue a clarification about the British team's rules interpretation, with the wing design believed to give Jenson Button and Lewis Hamilton a 6kph straight line advantage.
The FIA's Charlie Whiting had intended to check the innovation at McLaren's Woking headquarters last week, but after flight delays from Brazil opted instead to leave the inspection until the day of scrutineering for the season opener.
It is believed McLaren's system involves an air inlet on the upper left monocoque top, which is opened and closed by a trigger activated by the drivers' knee.
Germany's Auto Motor und Sport quoted an FIA official as describing it as a "simple but brilliant trick".
http://www.worldcarfans.com/11003112...roversial-wing
McLaren's 2010 car, including its controversial rear wing design, has been given the green light by FIA officials in Bahrain on Thursday. (IN YOUR FACE
)At least two teams, Red Bull and Ferrari, had asked the governing body to issue a clarification about the British team's rules interpretation, with the wing design believed to give Jenson Button and Lewis Hamilton a 6kph straight line advantage.
The FIA's Charlie Whiting had intended to check the innovation at McLaren's Woking headquarters last week, but after flight delays from Brazil opted instead to leave the inspection until the day of scrutineering for the season opener.
It is believed McLaren's system involves an air inlet on the upper left monocoque top, which is opened and closed by a trigger activated by the drivers' knee.
Germany's Auto Motor und Sport quoted an FIA official as describing it as a "simple but brilliant trick".
http://www.worldcarfans.com/11003112...roversial-wing
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03-11-2010, 08:51 PM
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FINALLY man
It was a long wait
I want Red Bull and Sauber to do well!!!!
And I can't wait to see Massa vs Alonso vs Schumi vs Hammy...... also battle within the top teams, Rosberg and Button.....
wow this is SO exciting.
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03-11-2010, 08:54 PM
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Ahh, check out this sweet McLaren video someone posted on Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzHc56iiey4
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzHc56iiey4
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man its going to be an exciting season. All the top tier teams cars, are about equal. Unlike last year, just a major drag lol.
03-12-2010, 12:39 AM
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Yeah last year I was hoping for Button to get engine problems and such just to put some excitement back into the racing. Now it is going to be FAAAAAANTASTIC
First training starts today. I will have live timing on while working.
Welcome to the 2010 season Renesis_8
First training starts today. I will have live timing on while working.
Welcome to the 2010 season Renesis_8
03-12-2010, 01:22 AM
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Thanks!!
I think I started watching F1 while reading the discussion here on Hamilton's awesome pitlane driving skills @ shanghai
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03-12-2010, 02:32 AM
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The HRT car looks UNDRIVABLE!!!
Senna was sliding all over the place............... the HP of the cosworth looks good, but it CANNOT navigate thru corners.
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Senna was sliding all over the place............... the HP of the cosworth looks good, but it CANNOT navigate thru corners.
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03-12-2010, 03:24 AM
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Damn man are you in Toronto now and watching the early morning training? Respect!
I just followed the live timing while working here in Sweden. A more comfortable time zone for F1.
I just followed the live timing while working here in Sweden. A more comfortable time zone for F1.
03-12-2010, 10:42 AM
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Awesome!!! can't wait... I got up early this morning and watched practice... Very very exciting to see the new cars, even the "controversial" McLaren wing" with the stall capabilities that has been banned for many many years...Typical McLaren... if you can't beat them.... cheat!!
A tough call indeed for whom will take pole tomorrow and this season will definitely go to the driver that conserves tires the most, so Mr Hamilton... bye bye.. we all now how you love locking up your tires during a race...Heck, remember China?? lol
Shumacher is awesome conserving tires and so is Alonso, Massa and Rosberg.
Anyways good to know this season is about to start...
GO FERRARI!!!
Carlos
A tough call indeed for whom will take pole tomorrow and this season will definitely go to the driver that conserves tires the most, so Mr Hamilton... bye bye.. we all now how you love locking up your tires during a race...Heck, remember China?? lol
Shumacher is awesome conserving tires and so is Alonso, Massa and Rosberg.
Anyways good to know this season is about to start...
GO FERRARI!!!
Carlos
03-12-2010, 01:09 PM
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Awesome!!! can't wait... I got up early this morning and watched practice... Very very exciting to see the new cars, even the "controversial" McLaren wing" with the stall capabilities that has been banned for many many years...Typical McLaren... if you can't beat them.... cheat!!
A tough call indeed for whom will take pole tomorrow and this season will definitely go to the driver that conserves tires the most, so Mr Hamilton... bye bye.. we all now how you love locking up your tires during a race...Heck, remember China?? lol
Shumacher is awesome conserving tires and so is Alonso, Massa and Rosberg.
Anyways good to know this season is about to start...
GO FERRARI!!!
Carlos
A tough call indeed for whom will take pole tomorrow and this season will definitely go to the driver that conserves tires the most, so Mr Hamilton... bye bye.. we all now how you love locking up your tires during a race...Heck, remember China?? lol
Shumacher is awesome conserving tires and so is Alonso, Massa and Rosberg.
Anyways good to know this season is about to start...
GO FERRARI!!!
Carlos
LMAO, i love how you put 2 of your favorite drivers , as the drivers that conserve tires well.
thats ok, ill call you up sunday morn, to let you know how the race went. You should get a box of tissues handy, think you will be needing them.
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