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Old 10-07-2016, 05:44 PM
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I need to find the article. The head of engine development at Mazda said the new rotary WILL have 3 times the development of any other Skyactiv engine. They are VERY serious about this thing.

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Paul: So serious that the R&D and Mazda Marketing teams were surveying FD owners at SS about a new rotary sports car...
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Paul: So serious that the R&D and Mazda Marketing teams were surveying FD owners at SS about a new rotary sports car...
Nice! It's coming.

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Originally Posted by Mazmart
I need to find the article. The head of engine development at Mazda said the new rotary WILL have 3 times the development of any other Skyactiv engine. They are VERY serious about this thing.

Paul.
I remember that statement as well. I found a few links containing that quote:
Mazda RX-VISION sports car: behind the scenes with Kiyoshi Fujiwara, Mazda?s head of research and development | Inside Mazda
Zoom-Zoom, USA, Spring
New RX-7: Mazda?s rotary renaissance, CAR+ December 2015 by CAR Magazine

Originally Posted by Kiyoshi Fujiwara
We have further developed the materials used for the rotary tips and seals. The engine will undergo a development process that is two or three times as intensive as our other SKYACTIV engines
Ceramic apex seals?
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It will happen, and I will be ready to add it to a long line of RXs I have owned and loved. Can't wait !! Still keeping my RX8 too.
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Just wait till you guys see the price tag...
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Originally Posted by Jedi54
Just wait till you guys see the price tag...
Agreed. When I see "3 times the development" I start wondering about what their break even point is.
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It is good news they are testing the engine extensively as it will end up being bought by customers who don't understand the TLC the rotary engine needs, i.e. good quality engine oil and 3-4k oil change intervals. Therefore it'll need to be very reliable etc.

Hopefully there will be no hot starting issues and decent ignition coils and that they will base the car around the rx8 price as a tuned down 250-280 bhp 2+2 rx7 type model and a bigger rx9 GT type car at the caymen market.

In other words if they wanna sell this new sky activ-r engine then make it affordable for those with big money and those on modest incomes, possibly as two models.

I did remember reading Mazda patented rx7 and rx9?
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that they will base the car around the rx8 price

nope.
my sources tell me not even close to RX8 pricing.

you guys better go on a ramen diet and start saving every penny you've got because this car will be wallet cringing expensive.
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Is it going to be like the FD when it came to the UK, at I think £35,000? So what $50,000 in the states?
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Looks like I will be buying used
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Wow that's going to be expensive, especially after the rx8. I wonder how they are going to convince people that its far superior in terms of reliability to the renesis engine for that kind of money.

I would have aimed lower and brought back the likes of the rx7 fb in terms of a small two-seater sports car just to prove how well it sells with this new engine, then bring out the porsche competitor bigger car.

We don't want to repeat the mistakes of the 3 rotor Cosmo and the FD not selling for the money involved.
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Originally Posted by Jedi54

nope.
my sources tell me not even close to RX8 pricing.

you guys better go on a ramen diet and start saving every penny you've got because this car will be wallet cringing expensive.
If that's where this is heading it will be a wallet cringing failure for Mazda as well. There's no way they even come close to recouping their money from an extremely low volume 60-70k car.
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If that's where this is heading it will be a wallet cringing failure for Mazda as well. There's no way they even come close to recouping their money from an extremely low volume 60-70k car.
I would tend to agree. Better to sell a smaller sports car at rx8 money if it's going to be really more reliable and has better economy, torque, reduced emissions than the renesis engine.

Let us all have the chance to buy one while we are young lol as we are the people who keep the rotary dream alive.
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Mazda got me once at almost 30k, there is not chance in hell I am paying M2, M3, or M4 money for a Mazda.
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Originally Posted by 77mjd
If that's where this is heading it will be a wallet cringing failure for Mazda as well. There's no way they even come close to recouping their money from an extremely low volume 60-70k car.
they're not trying to sell a million of them for a profit.
This is (as I've been saying for years) a Halo car.
think GT-R. Put Nissan back on the map and got people to buy altimas, maximas, etc

Originally Posted by spoddyandthemazda
I would tend to agree. Better to sell a smaller sports car at rx8 money if it's going to be really more reliable and has better economy, torque, reduced emissions than the renesis engine.

Let us all have the chance to buy one while we are young lol as we are the people who keep the rotary dream alive.
mazda already sells a cheap sports car, it's called the MX-5
this will be a flagship car.
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If it's north of 75k, why would consumers think to not buy a GT4, ZR1, GTR, etc and elect for an unproven high performance machine from MAZDA?
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Originally Posted by Jedi54
they're not trying to sell a million of them for a profit.
This is (as I've been saying for years) a Halo car.
think GT-R. Put Nissan back on the map and got people to buy altimas, maximas, etc


mazda already sells a cheap sports car, it's called the MX-5
this will be a flagship car.
Mazda is a tiny company relative to the others. They can't afford a money losing halo car, or really any big mistakes for that matter.
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all this conjecture here is good and interesting but we'll all soon find out (fingers crossed) let's just prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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all this conjecture here is good and interesting but we'll all soon find out (fingers crossed) let's just prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
And a zonking waste of time,
My bets are on front wheel drive and eleventeen rotors, and lambo doors, 100 gallon gas tank
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Originally Posted by 77mjd
Mazda is a tiny company relative to the others. They can't afford a money losing halo car, or really any big mistakes for that matter.
Q and A with Nissan GT-R Frontman Kazutoshi Mizuno - Motor Trend

Q: Does the GT-R make a big profit for Nissan, because it’s relatively cheap to buy for the performance on offer?

A: Yes, of course. I call it accurate engineering. An expensive price tag for high performance, I think, is not a professional job. A cheap market price, but with high performance and high specification, is a truly professional job. It’s our challenge to achieve this. One of the ways we do this is by producing it on the same line as the Infiniti G37 Coupe and Nissan 370Z.
Then, of course, one can suspect that this statement is just a "political" one, not to admit that the company is losing money on one of its products. After all, no one outside Nissan can really verify...
Old 10-09-2016, 09:29 AM
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Excuse my ADD but I couldn't read through all of the articles, will there be a 2+2 variant of this Vision concept?
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Originally Posted by Jedi54
they're not trying to sell a million of them for a profit.
This is (as I've been saying for years) a Halo car.
think GT-R. Put Nissan back on the map and got people to buy altimas, maximas, etc


mazda already sells a cheap sports car, it's called the MX-5
this will be a flagship car.
I can't wait to see what type of Market Adjustment price tags the dealers in my area will put on the potential rumored car if it ever does hit the market.

Nothing helps sell a $70k car faster than cramming a $25k mark up on it.

Just ask Alfa about how the 4C sales have gone over the past 2 years.

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