Footman

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CAT is covered by 128,000km or 8 year warranty.
Your CAT probably got clogged when massive amounts of fuel was dumped into it following that car wash flooding incident in the parking lot.

Footman

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I guess when you pay dealers to deflood, perhaps part of their procedure is to disconnect the CAT so it can crank and not worry about dumping fuel into it.

Thumper3322

SWEET!!!! You are probably right!! Didn't even think about it, figured it would just burn off. Makes sense why it stank crazy gas last night, and why it is hesitating. I am surprised it doesn't burn out of the cat tho. I'm just under the 128,000

Don't know what they do, but would make sense!

Thx!!

Rotary Mike

Just an FYI,

They thought my coils were shot, they were replaced, it wasn't the issue.
They thought my CAT was clogged, they replaced it, it wasn't the issue.
They thought my engine was shot, it was replaced, it was shot.

Thumper3322

LOL...I hope it ain't that!! It does make sense tho, and fits into the scenario. They are gonna do the compression test to double check the engine so I should know before they make any other changes. Fingers crossed!!

prospectjtaz

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when I was at Ajax, they said they would replace my cat if it was clogged. Keep in mind, mine is US too. Mazda Canada does jack **** sometimes, Mazds US I find is always on the A game.

Thumper3322

So if they say no, they won't replace it, then what?

Kafka

Well you didnt buy the car from Canada...I do concurr that Mazda USA, especially Mazdaspeed USA cares about motor racing much more than Mazda Canada most of the time...

There are exceptions tho right Al? :P

prospectjtaz

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take it to Mazda of Toronto, they will or ask Al. It's in the manual what thry have to cover.

prospectjtaz

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federal law requires them to cover it, check mto.

Kafka

What law? Good find

Thumper3322

Cool thx again! Will see what they say tomorrow.

rotarygreg

working for a dealer, this is not the case. deflooding isnt really a big deal on these cars unless its automatic, but you dont disconnect any part of the exhaust. also i dont agree with what you said about all the fuel clogging the cat....our cars are designed to run extra rich so that there is a fuel rich environment in the exhaust which is designed to deal with the extra fuel. cats are normally clogged by oil, which could theoretically be from the flooding you had at the car wash. if the gas isnt burning, neither is the oil thats being injected and while the exhaust should be able to deal with the gas, the unburned oil is another story. it should be easy enough to tell if the cat is actually clogged, but the way dealerships work these days, they will likely just throw parts (and your money if there is no help from warranty) at it. there are gauges that can be used to check exhaust back pressure. also, if they can get it to run, they could check to see how the 02 sonsors are working. ive used this to diagnose bad catalytic converters before (not at mazda though, but im positive they have the same diagnostic capabilities). good luck again, and i hope warranty comes threw for you. i would hold off on a compression test until its a last resort. save the 100 bucks unless the dealer deems it necessary. also, you can compression test it yourselft if you can borrow a gauge from someone, or hell, i could do it for you after the tire season is over if you are just curious at that point. too bad you werent closer to guelph...

Greg

Edit: ive rethought part of my issue with what you said footman about the fuel in the exhaust after looking more at renesis manifolds. i forot that the renesis doenst have the same "thermal reactor" that the older 13bs had and juts have a normal cat, so excess fuel could hurt it. Insert foot in mouth. lol.

Thumper3322

Thx again greg!! Well they didn't really ask me if I wanted to do the compression test, they just said they are going to do one. I said it should be covered. I never said go ahead and do it after they told me it was the cat. Either they are after more money, or I don't know what. Bah!!

rotarygreg

sounds like they just want your money. get it on a flat bed to guelph city mazda or to scarb mazda. haha.

prospectjtaz

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If oil was being burnt off it would of had a distinct smell. Plus trace of blue smoke. They'll swap the cat for you, if not, I will find that law that requires them too. If not run catless. There is actually a program set up by the minstiry where if you cant pay for a new cat, they will be kinder to you regarding doing your emissions. But emissions arent required on this car yet.

Did they set you up with a rental at least?

Thumper3322

I know and wanted to take it to Scar mazda, but since I had the plugs done there I didn't want to have to buy new ones in case they were fuked. Also had to get to work and home etc. It is so much more convenient

Cool pros thx!! Hope so!! Nope no rental, shuttle service so far tho. Couldn't get my booty call again tonight damn!!

Question - should I tell them to forget about the compression test if they are going to make me pay for it?

rotarygreg

well...i thought you had asked for it...i mean if they think its really necessary for diagnosing the problem i dont know...could be 100 down the drain, alternativly, could find out the motors kaput and then the extended engine warranty takes care of a new engine. just comes down to how much you trust them. they said the problem was the cat being clogged...then why are they trying to charge you 100 dollars for a seemingly redundant test? if they told you they found the problem why check the compression?

Greg

prospectjtaz

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I wouldnt want any surprises down the road. Ask them for a compression, get them to do it out of courtesy if they will. Your at like 125K, there already doing work on the car, might as well. I wouldnt pay for it thou.

Thumper3322

I did ask at first, then they said they they would charge me blah blah, but first they would check the CEL and then see if the technician recommended. When they called me they said the CAT and they are ordering the tester. This is when I brought up both points that it should be free. I never once agreed to paying for it!!! I think I will call them in the morning and make sure they don't do it if they are charging me for it, think it is a load of ****. If the engine is gone they are suppose to do the compression test for free which is included in the swap of the engine. Think that's what they are checking into and are suppose to notify me (I believe) before anymore work is done. They better or I am going to lose it!!

I want them to do it for free for sure, but thinking it is going to be really pointless. If the engine is blown it is blown they will test it then for free. We shall see!

I think Al should just become Manager of Ajax Mazda

Thumper3322

So I called this morning to verify whether they are charging me for the compression test, and they said yes it is not covered. I asked if the mechanic recommended it, she said yes (of course). I said I wanted the compression test if it is covered, and if it isn't I DO NOT want it done. Still waiting to hear about the warranty on the CAT. I said leave it with the CAT for now, see if that fixes the problem, if not then we go from there. They are waiting for a call back from Mazda Can. still.

You know when you get that feeling when dealers are trying to squeeze money out of you, I FUKIN hate it and if I get any more BS going to be losing it on them and it will be showing up at Scarb. Mazda.

Thief

Why even bother wasting time with them? Just drag it in to Al's.

Thumper3322

One cause it is there now, two bought my wires and plugs there (in case they were shot), three close to where I live. If Scar mazda loaned me a car or something I never would have gone to Ajax mazda in the first place.

Thumper3322

**update**

Just heard back, they did the compression engine is fine. They ran the car with out the CAT and still rough, so recommend ignition coils to be done and have to replace the CAT.

Quote $3,039.00 WTF!!! They said the CAT is $2,000 something.

Oh they said the CAT is only covered up to 3 years, 96,000km?? WTF?

Recommendations PLZ!!!!!

Kafka

Footman said CAT is covered by 128,000km or 8 year warranty...right?