Thief

Assuming no one oversleeps :P

Thumper3322

I knew I wouldn't live that down. If you really wanted someone to install stuff on your car with only 1 hour of sleep in the past 30 hours, I was your man :p

Thief

Ah don't worry about it. Just make sure you help me with the BHR ignition next year

Thumper3322

haha...I never was :-p

Think I will be helping out a few peeps. That upgrade is a little different install. Hope to get it by the end of Nov. and at that time a garage I'm sure will be needed.

nugimus

Wow i think our cars are destined cuz I just had the same problem as you thumper...

Yesterday morning I tried starting the car and the same symptoms that your car had occurred...
I started it, held onto the ignition for like 2 seconds before it caught, and when it did, it was BARELY running, like the engine sounded like it was half running, the CEL started to flash, I got out of my car to take a look and there were NO exhaust fumes coming out from the back, got back in the car, it was idling really rough, started to smell smoke, opened the hood and saw some smoke coming out, put the car into 1st gear and tried to move her a bit on my drive way but the throttle was barely responding...

I had my car towed to the dealership yesterday morning, I called them this afternoon and they scanned it, but they STILL don't know whats wrong with it. They said they have to call the tech ppl at Mazda to find out what tests to do before they can find the problem...
I think that is PURE BS...what are those mechanics at the dealership good for if they don't even know how to fix one of their own cars?

So from reading your ENTIRE thread, I guess the coils and CAT needs to be replaced eh? I just had them change the plugs in july so those are still under warranty, should I ask them to change them again anyways?
Also I read that you talked them into giving you a free compression test? Should I ask them to do a compression test too and if they try to charge me I'll just argue with them explaining that it suppose to be covered?

I also read you ignition coil install post, so your girl is running like brand new again right? No more problems?

Thumper3322

Hey man shitty deal!! That pretty much sounds exactly the same dealio I had to the tee! Yes call them and tell the to check the CAT, 99% sure that will be the cause. Also ask them to run the car without the CAT on to see if it is idling smooth or not. They ran mine with no CAT and came to the conclusion the coils were gone, since it was still running rough. They can also do a test on the coils to really see if they are fuked or not, but doubt they will do that. As I posted your CAT (depending on how many miles/km you have on your car) will be replaced for free. You can ask them to check your plugs, but most likely they won't say they will need to be changed (since that will cost them money) and that they should be ok cause they were only just changed. I did get a free compression test via lots of bitching, but originally they said they were going to charge me. Via the engine replacement procedure, they are suppose to do the compression test to make sure your engine is alright. Ask for it, but don't pay for it!! Also mention you are part of this forum and everything happening with your car at this dealership is going to be posted.

That is pretty weak they have to make a call to find out what to do next. One thing and only thing I can say about Ajax Mazda, the mechanics seem good and nice guys to talk to. The front desk, different story.

What CEL did you get btw? Sounds like a miss fire. Yup once I got the CAT and new/used OEM coils installed runs like gravy!! But can't wait for the BHR kit to make her run even smoother.

GL!

nugimus

They said it was like 301 or something, yes a miss fire, but they just gave me the same story...miss fire, could be the plugs, could be the coils, could be the injectors blah blah blah...and so they need to wait for the mazda tech ppl to call them back to tell them what tests to run...

Did the mechanics tell you how to prevent your coils or crap like this from happening again? Like I love this car but it's so fragile...I want to ride it till it dies but I don't want it to die like in a year ya know? I can't afford to have the coils changed like every other month...

So instead of getting the stealership to do the coils for you, you bought OEM ones and installed it yourself? your DIY SEEMED straight fwd and idiot proof...heh heh

Thumper3322

Doubt it's the injectors, haven't heard of really any problems with them. Sounds like they have to wait for mazda to get back to them, so they can sign off on their time and get paid for it. Your plugs should be fine since you had them done in July.

You have to drive the card hard, redline every day and such, stop the carbon build up. It builds up in the CAT and then starts clogging it and melting it. The OEM coils suck!! Get the BHR upgrade as I'm doing and by the sounds of it will last your 3 times longer, better for the plugs, burn, engine etc...

Ya I got used OEM ones for right now so my car was back on the road and waiting in line for the BHR coil kit upgrade. Yup it's pretty straight forward install. Where you from btw?

It seems to be a bit fragile, but with the best parts, coils, plugs, wires, battery, starter etc...she is all good!

nugimus

ICIC so unlike piston engine cars, redlining is good for our car lol... ensures carbon gets burned up and keeps the tubes clear, thats always important =)
Good thing gas prices are dropping =D

I'm in scarlem, near pacific mall, ya know? where all the asian ppl congregate there on weekends and the parking lot is full of drivers that CANT drive....
I'll definitely look intothe BHR coil kit, I guess I'll just go to the same link that one of the other members posted on your thread right?
Any idea how much longer the wait is gonna be?

nugimus

So I just spoke with the service guy and he said the engine was flooded with gas... =O
So they drained it now and waiting for it to dry b4 they try running the car again.

I told him about your situation and how you got the cat replaced and the service guy said he can't do it cuz the code saying that the CAT is shot didn't come up. He said if the CAT was dead, a code would come up showing that, and if that code doesn't come up, it's not covered under warranty. So do you remember if the ajax guys replaced your CAT under warranty b/c you had the code that said the CAT was dead? Or how did they determine that your CAT was dead?

Thumper3322

Those are weird symptoms just with the engine flooded, especially with nothin coming out of your exhaust. Hope that's all there is to it, but usually if the engine is flooded it won't start, and if it does start as yours did it will clear itself out by pushing the gas out and burning it off.

There is a code that says your CAT is fuked lol... haven't heard of that one. There is a list of codes and what they mean on this site, gonna see if I can find that one. Maybe a back pressure code or some ****. Ask them what code number comes up when the CAT is fuked? It is so covered under warranty if it is fuked, regardless of the code. There was NO code that said my CAT was dead, I was getting miss fires, thx to the back up from the CAT and the coils. They looked at my CAT and it was melted. Sounds like they don't want to look into it much for you. Once you are done with that dealership, I wouldn't be taking it back there, since they don't know ****, by the sounds of it.

They will know more when they start it up again, and if it's still running like crap they will have to do more investigation obviously.

Where are you located?

nugimus

Yeah you're right, after they drain it and try starting and if the car is still screwed, it means its something else, does this mean they are gonna bill for all the time they are spending on this?

I guess u missed the msg i posted before my last one, I posted 2 in a row heh, I'm in scarborough, kennedy/steeles area.

Thumper3322

Ya missed this msg my bad! LOL...more or less! ya just use that link and msg Charles Hill nice guy!! Dude why aren't you taking your car to Scarb Mazda? It will be a night a day difference I'm sure on what the mechanics know there compared to where your car is now.

It should only be the diagnostic on it. Which is around $100 depending on the place. That BETTER cover diagnosing the car and from there you get charged the big bucks to fix it. I'm surprised they drained it tho. I have heard of dealers just doing the deflood on them, but that's after they aren't starting. huh...wait and see. Tell them to start blowing into the engine to dry it out

nugimus

Yo I never knew Scarb maz was the place to go! If only work didn't take up all my time, I would've surfed the forums more and found out. I used up my friends last tow on his CAA so any more towing after this will be $$. If these guys at agincourt still can't figure out the problem, I just might pay to tow it to Scarb maz.

haha blow on it, they called me back and said they will replace the plugs, still under warranty so don't have to worry bout that.
keep ya posted...

Thumper3322

replacing the plugs good ****!! Surprised they are doing that! how many km on the car? hope you get the new CAT. Get that, new plugs, BHR kit and wires, she will run sooo smooth!!

nugimus

So they changed the plugs and it started fine, looks like it was just cuz the engine was flooded with gas.
That's a sigh of relief....
Guess I'll order the BHR kit now incase the coils die out in the near future...

Anyways, keep me posted when you're gonna install the BHR, I'd definitely would want to see how to do it.

Bishop

How many kms on your 8 nugimus?

nugimus

65k's and it's an '04

Sorry thumper if I'm jacking your thread lol

FYI to all rx8 owners if you don't already know, you CANNOT let go of the ignition until it catches, even if it takes 10 secs, if you do you flood your engine and you'll be scccccrreeeewed x 100

I never did that but my engine still got flooded, don't know why but oh well....the dealer said its running now so I can't wait to pick her up and see how she feels now.

Thumper3322

NP man lol!!

But you said you had it running which is weird, it should have cleaned it's self out. I did last night by accident :-p and tried again and np. MT has an easier deflood procedure, push start it

Plugs fowled up would case unburnt fuel for sure. Two 8's two plug problems lol. Prob a good idea on the BHR kit, especially since you just got new plugs. I will put up a thread as to when I am going to install them, and all will be welcome to come.

Good **** man!!

nugimus

So finally picked up the car this morning from the dealer. It was caked on with snow....
They didn't change me anything, not even the scan.
So I'm happy.
She feels strong, gave her a good boot coming home.
Need to get winter tires on this weekend though, pulling out of the dealership I was already fish tailing lol

One thing the service guy told me was I gotta drive the car harder. This car is meant to be pushed.
So if I ever get pulled over by the cop, I'll just tell him the mazda guy told me I had to do it. LOL I'm sure the cop will understand =)

Bishop

Actually, I believe 8 owners are the only drivers exempt from the 150kmh racing law. "Listen officer, I was just decarbonizing the engine", "Ah, right..you got one-a them no pistons whacka-ma-trons aintcha? No worries then, continue."

Thumper3322

Wow! awesome man!! Sounds like a good dealership after all!! When they replaced my CAT under warranty, I was still charge the diagnostic of course $110.00. I was sooooo going to the wrong dealership.

Yup don't ya luv having a car that they say drive the **** out of it That's why I luv track days, it's GOOD for the car lol.

HELL YA!! we should be exempt damn it!! Or at least allowed to push her hard going do the road, instead of it being considered 'street racing'.

Murray16

I just did about 2 hours of reading and research on this forum to come to figure that my CAT is melted. I'm going to book an appointment with St. Catharines Mazda tomorrow to try to get them to take a look at it. After that I'm going to probably get a quote of near $2000. I'll follow that up by arguing tooth and nail. I'll let everyone know how I make out.

Thumper3322

How you figure it is melted? What's going on with your car?

-=drift=-

Ask to have Steve Oddy work on the car.

I raced the last 2 years with him, he's a fellow die hard rotary guy,
has an old 85 Rx-7, and older MGB with a 12a.

I don't go there anymore personally, got in a fight with the blondie
about the rim that was curbed when I dropped the car off for an oil change.

The first time it was done it looked like ****, the second time looked almost ok,
but still like ***.


The paint is flaking off now