dannobre

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Front looks OK...rear is low.....

What is your ride height in the back...center to wheel arch?

wrightcomputing

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its about 13"

Mr_Pieper

That's what she said.

wrightcomputing

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Unfortunately she only says that if I do her twice

monchie

Whoaaaaa...

paimon.soror

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Hate reviving a dead thread, but wrightcomputing did you ever get your settings right?

I posted a pic of my rear before, and finally got around to taking a pic of the fronts now that I have my summers back on...After talking to dannobre (sorry i never got back to you, thanks a lot for the PM) i think i may need to adjust... just such a PITA to do then go get aligned again if that's the case

Front of the car is sitting 25 1/4" from ground to fender on both sides.

paimon.soror

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Btw, heres a reference to a great article that goes into some depth on what is being discussed in this thread:

Suspension Tech - Sport Compact Car Magazine

Looks like I will be spending some time this weekend raising the car up an inch or so

alnielsen

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That is something I was trying to tell people last week in the Lowering Springs thread.
https://www.rx8club.com/wheels-tires...9/#post4450991 I'm glad you found the documentation to back me up and take it a step further.

Jazzmeson

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Been doing quite a lot of reading and finally decided to get Tokico D-Specs and Swift springs until I read this thread. Changing the ride height and suspension parts has been quite a dilemma for a while now.

JCrane82

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I would do the Swift Springs over stock since it is a mild drop (only 0.8"). You really don't want to go much lower than that though, as there are negative consequences as expressed here.

Chad D.

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I have experienced toe steer in my car when it is dumped. Wet out and hit an uneven bump on the road, not a good feeling at all. It has been minimized by stiffening up my spring rates and such, but track days I raise her up and get an alignment first. I love riding super low but you have to be aware of how it changes the characteristics of most angles in the suspension. My father always told me "Low and slow"

WTBRotary!

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Throw some Tein S. Techs and Koni Yellows and call it a day... Perfect drop

Mr_Pieper

Those are the articles I was referencing earlier in this thread. I just have hard copies in a Rubbermaid bin. They are really good if you can get through the engineering talk.

Lvis

i think your missing the point of the thread

WTBRotary!

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^^^ I think y'all are over thinking this thread... A 2inch drop isn't going to destroy the geometry of the car... Now If yall cut springs, or slammed/bagged the 8, obviously thats different...

wrightcomputing

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I just raised mine up and the car handles just as well as before. One thing I really like about the Stance suspension is that the height adjustment is independent of the shock and spring distance so lowering the car does not affect the suspension characteristics (other than a higher center of gravity).

I do all the aligning myself, first by eye and then measure the distance front to back across the car. I also have a camber tool that tells me the camber on each wheel. I often tweak it a little to adjust the handling, it is really not that hard to do just make sure you double check everything is tight when you are finished and tighten everything when the suspension is under load so you do not stress the bushings.

I have since started to build a car (Lotus 7 replica) it is slow and steady progress but i am currently working on the rear suspension which originally came from a 1989 Toyota Supra and is very similar to the Rx8 multilink suspension. Not really relevant to this thread but you can check out my build thread if your interested.

paimon.soror

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I have been doing some reading and talking to a few people and it seems that this is a very important thing to note when discussing the geometry.

Lvis

in your opinion how low is to low? im planning on getting stance as well.

wrightcomputing

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I was at 12 3/4" but I was scraping my front bumper on the ground if I went over bump and on tight turn-rounds when autocrossing, I think that is too low.

My ride height is currently 14" (wheel center to wheel arch) which is a nice height for me. The car looks aggressive but you don't bottom out all the time. I would recommend you start there and see how you like it.

paimon.soror

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hrmm 14" sounds good .. mine is 25 1/4 from floor to fender both sides, but i need to bring it up a bit ... not just to fix the LCA, but moreso so i dont get that weird sunken look:

no-coast-punk

To sumarize why excessive lowering is bad:

In the perfect world, they design the suspension to add slightly more than 1 degree of extra camber for every 1 degree of body roll. You want slightly more extra camber under suspension compression to deal with tire deflection. This is why it is not a linear camber addition and called a camber curve.

When you lower the car too much, you start playing in the region of suspension travel where you add a lot more than 1 degree of camber for every degree of body roll.

This reduces the **** outta mechanical grip, especially with stiff tires that don't deflect much.

Thing is: To most drivers, this translates to "better handling". When you lower the roll center of the car, it shifts weight around much more quickly and turn in feels much faster. The faster response feels better, but at the expense of mechanical grip.

Subjective feel is crap.

monchie

^ Never knew that... lol