Pirelli PZero Nero M+S
 

Anyone have these tires? After much research, I just ordered a set of these in 245/40-18. More info on the tire here. These are "Ultra High Performance" all-season tires.

I have used the Z rated versions in multiple setups, they were tested by Tirerack & beat out the Pilot Sport & S-03. They are great tires...


Troy J.

I am filled in envy... T. Paul you are too rich.

1 question: WHat is diff b/n this and the P0 Rosso? I know I can get p0 rosso in 225/45 18

By going 245/40 18 - will cost another 80A$ per tyre

the Pzero Nero is the replacement to the Rosso... The rosso is old technology.


Troy J.

And the 245/40-18 is just wider. Many have put them on their cars now without any clearance problems.

hmmm... Nero I might wait for them then,. How much are they roughly in US$?

TAKA
THEY ARE PRICED AT $149 US DOLLARS , but they get much better pricing then we get here .

THose pirrellis look awesome i am jealous .
cheers
michael

Don't confuse the Pzero Nero M&S with its summer tire cousin. The M&S is Pirelli's Ultra-High Performance All-Season tire, where as the non-M&S version is a Max Performance Summer tire. Both versions score very well in TireRack's reviews and tests, and the M&S version is very competitively priced.

Omicron, please keep us informed on how the tire works on the RX-8, both in cold winter climate and warmer weather as well. Since I took delivery of my RX-8 in early December and procrastinated on snowshoes, I have had to limp through the winter on the Bridgestone summer tires. Since I have not yet sold my previous ride (anyone interested in a '92 BMW 318i with 140K miles in NJ?), I have been able to avoid any snowy roads with my RX. I have been contemplating going with a dedicated winter set-up of high performance all season radials instead of snows for better dry performance during the 95% of my winter driving w/o snow. I now have broadband access at home and don't mind working from home on the few occasions we have substantial snowfall (wife's ride is an Acura MDX so we have a more than adequate vehicle of last resort). Now I am contemplating going with a tire like the Nero M&S year round and saving the cost of dedicated winter wheels. Your experience, as well as others in the similar situation, will go a long way on deciding what to do this fall.

I will definitely keep everyone posted on how these work out.

omicron, are you using the stock wheels?

Yup. I wanted to be able to maintain the TPMS function for the time being, and, I didn't want to have to spend to buy new rims right now. I'm poor now after buying the Mazdaspeed side sills and appearance package stuff, here. :D

Good going Omicron! I am about to come into a few bucks here soon and was considering buying ultra high performance all seasons and what I see in costs is about what I would want to pay. We get just enough snowfall here that isn't too much but enough that I need something other than siped stocks and I have been looking at this style for some time. You'll have to let us know how they look and feel after you get them on.

I considered a winter and wheel package for the winter months but decided that the $1200 plus was a bit beyond what I wish to budget. For four at $150, or so and the Canzoomer stage 1 I can have both at about the same pricing. Well, it's a plan of sorts so far.

Yup, and pretty much what I decided too. Hard to believe, but where I live in Colorado we don't get that much snow either, and I think these tires will allow me to drive my 8 almost year round. When there's more than an inch or two of snow on the ground I can always take my Jeep, but that's usually only 2 or 3 times a year. And from everything I could find out about these Pirellis, they are as good or better on dry roads as the Potenzas are, so they may be the best of all possible worlds.

We'll soon see. :D

I'm convinced these are the tires I want. As soon as I get my retro-active pay raise going back to August, I might to do the same thing. I looked at the specs on those and from what I could tell, they look like the answer to winter woes.

OK, I am actually torn though. Should I wait and put a few more miles on the stocks before I rip em off and turn them? If I do it this way, I can buy in on the Canzoomer stage 1 group buy. Then sometime around fall, I can get these tires. Decisions, decisions. Hmmmm

the RE040's (original equipment on most RX-8's unless you struck a deal at purchase for different tyres) are all around rather terrible tyres.

I like the idea of the Zero Nero M&S too. They seem really nice, get great reviews (both from the TireRack itself and its customers) and are priced well for the size.

Even though I will still get snows, the Nero M&S would be perfect for everyday use. If they sacrifice a bit of performance to the S-03s on the street... who cares. On the street, that kind of difference is irrelevant.

Good find Omicron.

Keep us posted.

PS -- Where in Colorado are you? I have to admit I'm addicted to the Steamboat area...

Personally, I'd wait a bit and put a couple of thousand (total) miles on them. Probably the best you'll be able to sell the Potenzas for is around $125 to $150 each, whether they're new or with 2K miles.

Thanks Dave. :)

I'm just North of Denver, in the Boulder area.

UPDATE: Tires are in, I get them installed next Tuesday, 3/9. Will post pics and comments shortly thereafter. :)

They look like a good choice, and good price (i.e., anything less $ than a Michelin)! Do share pics, pls.

Not to worry, I will. :D

I'm looking forward to hearing about these and seeing them on your car. Can't wait.

Me too... I think it is time to do import business here L&L...

Omi.. can't wait your comment since you just jump out of the RE040s... :)

"Tomorrow, tomorrow, I'll start the day tomorrow.... "

Oh, um, where did all you people come from? And why are you all LOOKING AT ME????

:D

Get'em tomorrow. Pics to follow soon.

take a look at the MAHDI CAESAR TS-5 RIMS...SUPERCHROME
i am considering these in a 255/35/19 rear and 235/35/19 front setup with TOYO PROXES T1-S tires....supposed to be super stickey.......

Any better suggestions would be appreciated

Where can I see these wheels, and, how much do they weigh? Need more info...

As for the Toyo Proxes T1-S, they're an excellent summer tire. If you don't need all-season capability, they're hard to beat. I kinda need it here in Colorado (my '8 is all but useless on icy roads with the stock Potenzas) so I went with these Pirellis. Allllllmost went with the Toyo Proxes 4 all-season ultra high performance, but the Pirellis won out on tread life.

Omicron, Nice find on the Pirelli's. I too have been slushing this winter with the OEM tires and have been debating the winter tire/wheel setup. Had a set of winter Pirelli's on rims for my Miata for 12 years. Can't wait to see your pics.

I have actually been stuck on perfectly level ground.......the weather here in Detroit is "unpredictable" to say the least.....I had put 4 50lb bags of tube sand in the truck for weight......it didnt help much...in fact...the added weight would actually cause the front end to "push" so I took them back out.....

If you would like to see the MAHDI CAESAR TS-5 go here

http://www.mahdicaesar.com/ts5.html

Hmmm, dunno Ducatipace, but I would almost have to see them on the car. Look kinda bright and possibly heavy, but are definitely beautiful wheels. Wish there were more pics on the website!

"Unpredictable" describes the weather where I live here in Colorado too. We always say "If you don't like the weather, wait 10 minutes!" and that's pretty true during the winter. It can be beautiful, sunny, and 60 degrees one minute, and within an hour turn to snowing and 30 degrees. Then it's back to beautiful and sunny and it all melts within a day or two. In the mean time, this makes for icy roads, as the snow hits and melts, but as more of it piles on the wet underlayer turns to ice.

I tried getting my '8 down the street one day shortly after I got it, and even at 25 MPH, the backend was doing little fishtails. Then I barely got it back into my garage, and my driveway only has about a 5% slope.

Anyway, tires are going on TODAY, so pics will soon follow. :D

Ok, here they are! :D

Pic 1......

I see a ms side skirt on their

Pic 2....

Pic 3....

pic 4...

Pic 5... :D

Initial impressions of the tires, is, well, AWESOME. They ride as well or better than the Potenzas, are at least as quiet if not quieter, and seem MORE responsive. All this is on dry roads, and I've only driven them about 10 miles so far. More to follow.

Yup, you do. See this thread for a full set of pics. Got them put on today too. :D

And at a buck-fifty a shot, you can't beat 'em. Quality and value.

Keep us posted as you go... :)

Yeah, no kidding! I'll probably post impressions again after I have a few days to drive on them. Stay tuned!

Looking BeeeUtiful! I'm staying tuned.

Tires and MS sideskirts look great! BTW I've never seen that many little rubber things hanging off a new tire. Looks like Pinhead from the movies!

Omicron,

Did you happen to weigh the tires?

Thanks

Al

Yeah, no kidding, I have FUZZY TIRES! Feel like I oughta shave 'em or something... go to work with a Norelco... :D

Nope, sorry. Wish I had.

Update:

These PZero Nero's ROCK! They handle at least every bit as good as the stock Potenzas, and are in some ways better. They're definitely quieter, and once warmed up, actually seem to ride a bit softer - but in a good way. Sidewalls must not be quite as stiff and that's a good thing. I was concerned about the new shorter sidewall of the 245/40-18s might degrade the ride as compared to the stock 225/45-18s, but that's not the case with these tires.

However, while I have now driven a few days on these tires, I still have not had a chance to really wring 'em out in the twisties. I've gone into a few corners pretty hard (there's a few good ones on my way to work) and can definitively say they are as good as the Potenzas, but want to reserve final judgement on just exactly how much better they are after I tackle a few mountain twisties.

FINAL UPDATE: Had a chance to go "play" today on some nice windy roads, and I stand by my original conclusion: these tires, in the new (wider) 245/40-18 size, ABSOLUTELY ROCK!!!

At lower speeds they feel pretty similar to the Potenzas, although turning response is tighter and the car feels MUCH more firmly "planted" on the road. At higher speeds (80+ MPH :D) the turning response is more sensitive, although not in a bad way at all. The car doesn't feel "darty" at all, just like it's paying more attention to steering input.

These tires are also stickier than the Potenzas... I'd say I can hit a corner an average of 5-10 MPH faster with these tires than with the old ones. They also telegraph when their adhesion limits are being reached, and break free progressively rather than suddenly.

And finally, as I've mentioned before, these Pirellis are quieter and ride nicer than the Potenzas. Overall, I'd give them a BIG thumbs-up, and highly recommend them.

:D

Tires
 

Omicron,
Great reveiw. Glad to hear the 40 series are comfortable if not more comfortable than the 45 in the 040s.

Al

Omicron
Great reviews, and great looking car too. Many thanks.

I have one question for you. How are these tires behaving on bad roads in terms of stability, and following the groves or tramlining. We have some pretty grooved highways in oregon, and the current potenzas seem to do ok as far as, not following the rutts or grooves. They are doing much better than my previous S03 on BMW. While the Potenzas S03 are awsome, they tend to follow every groove, so you are constantly correcting your line, and at high speed they were flat out scary in a grooved freeway. These Potenzas 40 while are not so great in clod or wet climate, they handle the grooved streets very well. Could you please let me what are your impressions concerning this matter.
FYI I have replaced my SO3 with the Nero Z rating last year, and was very pleased. My big concern is going to wider rtires on the front, which may worsen the car response on grooved roads.

Again thanks for the review, and thanks in advance for any help

Mark

Hi Mark -

Funny you should mention tramlining... I should have brought this up, because I specifically noticed the lack of it this morning. One long section of road I was on has some serious grooves in it, and I'm happy to say, these Pirellis are better than the Potenzas were on it. In other words, I noted they did not tramline at all. I mean, I can feel the grooves, but they do not affect the car. I've driven other cars on these same roads and the tramlining is so bad it becomes a white knuckle experience. But not with these tires.

And I guess my "Final update" was a bit premature as well, since I have not yet driven the car with these tires on wet, snowy, or icy roads. LOL, this was one of the main reasons I went with UHP all-seasons, so that I could! Pretty funny, guess I lost sight of that in my enthusiasm about how damn good the tires are on DRY roads. Hehehee. :D

Ok, so I'll post a real "final update" after I drive them on roads that are less than ideal. Stay tuned.

Steamboat? I can understand the addiction, thoroughly. :D I live north and east of Steamboat... I am waiting for the roads to improve a little before attempting to make that trip again... for now, I'm just content with going as far as Walden, CO. The next time you head out this way, let me know! We can hook up and get some great pix of our 8's in and around Steamboat!:D