RX-8 4206F Recall: Completed - Feedback
11-09-2006, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Josche
Any ideas on what the smell could be?
isn't there some song about "and the cat came back" or something?
11-10-2006, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by RedSheDevil
it's the new cat burning off ... mine smelled like that when it was replaced too.
Also, I noticed that the car settles into a stable idle immediately now. It used to jump up to between 1500 and 1800 RPM for about 30-45 secs before settling into a solid idle around 800. Now it goes to 800 right away and sits there. Interesting.
Edit: The idle thing only happened once, after the car had been sitting for 2.5 hours or so. This morning when I started it, it took about a minute to settle into the 800 RPM idle.
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11-10-2006, 10:15 PM
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As with piston engines, it's not abnormal for a cold engine to sit a little higher on the RPM's for a short while. I'd hardly be alarmed of that. On really cold days, I start up and it'll go as high as almost 2.5 for a second, then drop down to 1.5 for about a minute before it settles to about 1K. After driving for about 5 minutes, it arrives to it's final resting place of about 800.
Normal conditions...always has been for me on the 8, as well as many other cars as well.
Normal conditions...always has been for me on the 8, as well as many other cars as well.
11-10-2006, 10:25 PM
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i had to get a new transmission installed not too long ago. hardly ever drive the car (maybe 8,000 miles a year) and one night going home i could no longer shift into third. thought i was gonna catch hell b/c of my aftermarket parts but i had an open ticket from six months ago and i had only put 1500 miles on the car since then. i do believe that saved my ***.
now the car starts to bog down after i have driven 40 miles or further. motor starts making a rattling noise and when i get on it, will hardly take off. so, gotta go back in and see what the problem may be. will post results when i find out.
now the car starts to bog down after i have driven 40 miles or further. motor starts making a rattling noise and when i get on it, will hardly take off. so, gotta go back in and see what the problem may be. will post results when i find out.
11-10-2006, 11:01 PM
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Took it into Philips Mazda in Mission Viejo and got it back reflashed with new plugs, full tank of gas (quarter tank when I brought it in), and a detail inside and out. I got a rental for a day only since they were finished pretty quickly. Thumbs up to dealer.
Car rode fine before, and didn't really notice difference after. 15K miles for my 04 and still rides like new.
Car rode fine before, and didn't really notice difference after. 15K miles for my 04 and still rides like new.
11-11-2006, 09:55 PM
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Made appointment for next week at Balise Mazda Springfield, MA for the 4206f recall- was told they won't do the engine check because that test only applies to RX8's in the hot/dry states, Is that right?
Also got the stupid remark that because I am using Royal Purple synthetic I might have voided my warrany - how do you get these people to be sensible and knowledgable about this ??
Also got the stupid remark that because I am using Royal Purple synthetic I might have voided my warrany - how do you get these people to be sensible and knowledgable about this ??
11-12-2006, 09:47 AM
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Foamy-if your car is in the VIN range they should do the recall, but might not do proceedure C if you have not had loss of power issues. I am in a moderate climate and they did A, B, and D and did not do C because my car has 3k on it and I have no issues. If you have power issues, then tell them and they should do proceedure C. For mine they replace two plugs, flashed the ECU, and did the cat test. If you don't have power issues, they should do that as a minimum. The recall documents are in this forum somewhere so do a search.
11-12-2006, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Foamy
Made appointment for next week at Balise Mazda Springfield, MA for the 4206f recall- was told they won't do the engine check because that test only applies to RX8's in the hot/dry states, Is that right?
Also got the stupid remark that because I am using Royal Purple synthetic I might have voided my warrany - how do you get these people to be sensible and knowledgable about this ??
Also got the stupid remark that because I am using Royal Purple synthetic I might have voided my warrany - how do you get these people to be sensible and knowledgable about this ??
The engine check was done on mine... I am in Rhode Island...
one last thing... I am also getting a new engine.. The car is in the show now.
11-12-2006, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by RX-8REDGT
I took the car (2004 6MT, 18500 miles) to Diablo Mazda Walnut Creek, Nor. Cal for the recall on wednesday 11th October. I have never had any problems with starting the car and power/performance has always been good. Fuel consumption has typically been 17 - 18 mpg for mixed driving. I had a rental car provided.
No apparent issues with recall - what was done:
New plugs
Oil and filter Change
Car wash
Fuel fill up
Reflash
I had some other things done under the 4 year free scheduled maintenance. I am not exactly happy with the effort required to get them to do this but that is another story.
I drove the car away later in the afternoon and the car felt like it had less pick up in top gear from 3K rpm but nothing serious. It felt a bit flat. Started it this morning friday 13th October, and it took several seconds to turn over which is very unusual. Again the performance felt flat, lacking pick up and sluggish throttle performance. For example, driving in second gear at 3K rpm there was definitely hesitation when I pressed the accelerator as if there was a delay before it started to put out power. It would rev well enough. Starting was also definitely taking longer each time. But the car would idle fine with no uneveness.
I got it home. Again it just feels like there is less power. I open the hood and the spark plug cable is not connected to the lower spark plug on one of the rotors ???. I connect the cable to the spark plug, start it up and there is a lot of popping from the exhaust then it settles down. Take it for a test drive and the engine response and sound now feel worse.
I think the dealer has messed this up. Any ideas what happens if the one of the plugs is disconnected and what else is up? I plan to phone them tomorrow but probably the service department will be closed on saturday. Bummer.
Thanks
No apparent issues with recall - what was done:
New plugs
Oil and filter Change
Car wash
Fuel fill up
Reflash
I had some other things done under the 4 year free scheduled maintenance. I am not exactly happy with the effort required to get them to do this but that is another story.
I drove the car away later in the afternoon and the car felt like it had less pick up in top gear from 3K rpm but nothing serious. It felt a bit flat. Started it this morning friday 13th October, and it took several seconds to turn over which is very unusual. Again the performance felt flat, lacking pick up and sluggish throttle performance. For example, driving in second gear at 3K rpm there was definitely hesitation when I pressed the accelerator as if there was a delay before it started to put out power. It would rev well enough. Starting was also definitely taking longer each time. But the car would idle fine with no uneveness.
I got it home. Again it just feels like there is less power. I open the hood and the spark plug cable is not connected to the lower spark plug on one of the rotors ???. I connect the cable to the spark plug, start it up and there is a lot of popping from the exhaust then it settles down. Take it for a test drive and the engine response and sound now feel worse.
I think the dealer has messed this up. Any ideas what happens if the one of the plugs is disconnected and what else is up? I plan to phone them tomorrow but probably the service department will be closed on saturday. Bummer.
Thanks
11-13-2006, 03:05 PM
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Thanks for the feed back, I have never had power issues, but then I always use pre-mix oil in my gas.
I am going to run the gas tank down, fill up (No Pre-mix) and carry out that 20 min at 45mph / idle / another 20 min at 45mph / idle / then floor it procedure to see if I get any power loss.
I am going to run the gas tank down, fill up (No Pre-mix) and carry out that 20 min at 45mph / idle / another 20 min at 45mph / idle / then floor it procedure to see if I get any power loss.
11-13-2006, 03:30 PM
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Just got back from the dealership. Last week the did the flash upgrade, and today they changed my plugs and did some "safety inspection?!" Can't complain--I got a free wash/vacuum and a tank of gas! I always make sure I'm on dead "E" (I'm talking fumes--like a fart's breath of fumes, too) when I go see my friendly neighborhood Mazda Dealer!
11-14-2006, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Foamy
Thanks for the feed back, I have never had power issues, but then I always use pre-mix oil in my gas.
I am going to run the gas tank down, fill up (No Pre-mix) and carry out that 20 min at 45mph / idle / another 20 min at 45mph / idle / then floor it procedure to see if I get any power loss.
I am going to run the gas tank down, fill up (No Pre-mix) and carry out that 20 min at 45mph / idle / another 20 min at 45mph / idle / then floor it procedure to see if I get any power loss.
You would also notice an idle problem as well.
I did the same thing and then my car started to have the problems.... Well I just never noticed the symptoms since I don't drive like Tom Cruise racing against Rowdy in the rental cars.
11-14-2006, 09:27 PM
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i know it said not to ask any questions but.....
i was wondering who all had aftermarket parts on their car prior to taking it in (i.e. intakes). they are blaming my power loss on my 2nd gen K&N typhoon. said the pipe was not tight enough. had it on there almost a year with no problems.
gonna have to pay for the retightening but they said they are replacing the cat under warranty but if i had the same problem it would not be covered again. also, they said they are running "additional" tests on the car which i don't know what they may be. basically it is all the intakes fault. it has been 2 days now. will post again when i hear from them wednesday.
gonna have to pay for the retightening but they said they are replacing the cat under warranty but if i had the same problem it would not be covered again. also, they said they are running "additional" tests on the car which i don't know what they may be. basically it is all the intakes fault. it has been 2 days now. will post again when i hear from them wednesday.
11-15-2006, 01:39 AM
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If you had your recall performed, please let us know what exactly was peformed:
* Engine replaced? No.
* Cat replaced? No.
* Engine & cat replaced? No.
* No major parts replaced (flash & sparkplugs)? Had done the PCM Reprpgramming & spark plugs replacement. After a test the car is ready to go with the body cleaned by the dealership.
* Other info you wish to share... Hope this change can be regconized as a effective one.
* Engine replaced? No.
* Cat replaced? No.
* Engine & cat replaced? No.
* No major parts replaced (flash & sparkplugs)? Had done the PCM Reprpgramming & spark plugs replacement. After a test the car is ready to go with the body cleaned by the dealership.
* Other info you wish to share... Hope this change can be regconized as a effective one.
11-15-2006, 06:14 AM
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after teh recall my car actually idles alot worse. Also when taking off in 1st gear, i need to rev up the engine more (almost to 1750rpm) or it seems like the engine will bog. Anyone else experiencing this?
11-15-2006, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ZGlide
after the recall my car actually idles alot worse. Also when taking off in 1st gear, i need to rev up the engine more (almost to 1750rpm) or it seems like the engine will bog. Anyone else experiencing this?
Did they replace any plugs?
BTW, mine runs like a scalded cat after the flash. I understand that there are tolerances for some of the sensors that control AF mixture and I am probably one of the lucky ones that has it in the right range, mine always ran pretty strong. That is compared to the other ones I test drove. It is the reason I bought the one I have, even though it has nothing extra on it (No GT, DSC, etc.).
11-15-2006, 08:41 AM
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Recall Update
Had the recall done on 10/30. Car ran great for two days but developed similar pre-recall issues. Had it back in the shop today, just to run diagnostics. Tech said that about 12 codes registered and now they think I have a bad PCM. Said they were going to talk to Mazda USA tech about the issue. I keep bringing up a new engine but so far they haven't considered it. Have another appointment in two weeks where they may or may not give me a new PCM.
11-15-2006, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Foamy
Made appointment for next week at Balise Mazda Springfield, MA for the 4206f recall- was told they won't do the engine check because that test only applies to RX8's in the hot/dry states, Is that right?
Also got the stupid remark that because I am using Royal Purple synthetic I might have voided my warrany - how do you get these people to be sensible and knowledgable about this ??
Also got the stupid remark that because I am using Royal Purple synthetic I might have voided my warrany - how do you get these people to be sensible and knowledgable about this ??
11-15-2006, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by mmats69
i was wondering who all had aftermarket parts on their car prior to taking it in (i.e. intakes). they are blaming my power loss on my 2nd gen K&N typhoon. said the pipe was not tight enough. had it on there almost a year with no problems.
gonna have to pay for the retightening but they said they are replacing the cat under warranty but if i had the same problem it would not be covered again. also, they said they are running "additional" tests on the car which i don't know what they may be. basically it is all the intakes fault. it has been 2 days now. will post again when i hear from them wednesday.
gonna have to pay for the retightening but they said they are replacing the cat under warranty but if i had the same problem it would not be covered again. also, they said they are running "additional" tests on the car which i don't know what they may be. basically it is all the intakes fault. it has been 2 days now. will post again when i hear from them wednesday.
They will have to provide proof to void the warranty.
11-15-2006, 09:33 PM
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Recall Completed - NuCar Mazda (Delaware)
Terrible engine shaking on Sunday - took my 8 in and got 4206F recall work done since they said this is probably will solve - replaced all ignition coils, replaced leading spark plugs, catalytic converter ok, had engine mounts replaced as well, free loner - although not lucky like others to get new CX-7, instead got a total POS Chevy Malibu, no gas refill of my 8 either - running well so far - originally Mazda service said misfiring culprit was possibly due to the rain we had here sunday
11-16-2006, 07:53 PM
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Recall 4260F Today
I took my RX-8 to Suburban Mazda in Farmington Hills, MI today.
The only recall-related work was that they reflashed the ECU and replaced the leading plugs.
I have been very pleased with the service that I have received from them for the last three years, but I was a bit annoyed that they charged Mazda for the tank of gas and car wash that I didn't get. FWIW, they usually give the car a bit of a wash after service but it was raining today so it wouldn't really have made a difference.
The only recall-related work was that they reflashed the ECU and replaced the leading plugs.
I have been very pleased with the service that I have received from them for the last three years, but I was a bit annoyed that they charged Mazda for the tank of gas and car wash that I didn't get. FWIW, they usually give the car a bit of a wash after service but it was raining today so it wouldn't really have made a difference.
11-17-2006, 02:56 PM
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I have a 2006 RX-8 which I bought earlier this year, now with only 5K miles on it. I live in No. VA and have had no issues with it at all (even during the summer) - always starts first try, smooth idling with and without A/C on, relatively low oil consumption (~ 0.5 quart per 500-600 miles), great power delivery, easy shifting, avg gas mileage (15-18 mph), etc.
Question (sorry - I know this is not the right forum for this): With all the problems a lot of folks are seeming to experience with this recall (I've probably read 70% of this thread), why should I have it performed?
Thanks in advance.
Question (sorry - I know this is not the right forum for this): With all the problems a lot of folks are seeming to experience with this recall (I've probably read 70% of this thread), why should I have it performed?
Thanks in advance.
11-17-2006, 03:17 PM
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Had the recall done at Morong in Falmouth, ME.
No wash, no fill-up, no road test (tech stated that it did not apply in this region, that all readings could be taken in the shop), ECU was reflashed and that was it. I asked about the battery and starter and was told they weren't necessary. We'll see how the winter goes.
No wash, no fill-up, no road test (tech stated that it did not apply in this region, that all readings could be taken in the shop), ECU was reflashed and that was it. I asked about the battery and starter and was told they weren't necessary. We'll see how the winter goes.