Hot start failure, long crank times
11-21-2011, 09:26 PM
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I thought this is about Hot start failure, long crank times... Why, in just a matter of days, it became 8 pages long? Anyway, JayP, glad you were able to start your car. It's people like pro29745's incessantly annoying posts that fills and clouds this site of the important infos and made it difficult for new members to look for the right answers. I don't recall it like this a year and a half ago when I joined...
11-22-2011, 09:37 AM
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Thanks Grace. It was a trying situation, but it's over. Now I'm back to the hot start issue.
From the long time that it took to remedy the flooding situation, and testing so many components of the ignition system in the process, I'm beginning to think I have an injector leaking. I'm going to do my diligence in searching for leaky injector threads, but if someone knows anything about ways to check for/fix an injector problem, please let me know.
So...I've spent the past 30 minutes searching for leaky/leaking injectors. Only threads that came up were either dead links or about turbo installation.
another bit of info...I haven't done an exact calculation, but quick estimate on mpg is around 15-16. I know the 8 isn't a "green" car, but that's lower than the 18+ most people show on "fuelly" so another sign pointing to a leaking injector possibly.
Last night after sitting for approx. 30 minutes after a drive, I had to use the pedal to floor deflood to get it started.
So, low mpg, took forever to deflood, and had to use deflood method to start it warm after a drive. 3 signs toward a leaking injector?
From the long time that it took to remedy the flooding situation, and testing so many components of the ignition system in the process, I'm beginning to think I have an injector leaking. I'm going to do my diligence in searching for leaky injector threads, but if someone knows anything about ways to check for/fix an injector problem, please let me know.
So...I've spent the past 30 minutes searching for leaky/leaking injectors. Only threads that came up were either dead links or about turbo installation.
another bit of info...I haven't done an exact calculation, but quick estimate on mpg is around 15-16. I know the 8 isn't a "green" car, but that's lower than the 18+ most people show on "fuelly" so another sign pointing to a leaking injector possibly.
Last night after sitting for approx. 30 minutes after a drive, I had to use the pedal to floor deflood to get it started.
So, low mpg, took forever to deflood, and had to use deflood method to start it warm after a drive. 3 signs toward a leaking injector?
Last edited by JayP; 11-22-2011 at 10:10 AM.
11-22-2011, 10:21 AM
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Why do you think you have a leaky injector? Don't complicate things.
Good Quote.
Good Quote.
This involves several issues. The first being that you can't see beyond your own immediate needs and wants. This is not Wiki8Club. It took many of us years and years of involvement and reading to amass the knowledge.
Imagine somebody coming here daily, in fact it is often multiple people daily, asking if not demanding the same information over and over again. We are not your on demand servants. We are people just like you with other priorities and demands in our lives, limited time, our own personal interests for being here, etc. Why should we spend that time catering to people that come here seeking instant gratification?
That leaves us with two options. We can either ignore you completely or we can tell that the info is here if you bother to make the effort. However, over several years of telling people this you eventually get fed up dealing with the continuous stream of people seeking instant gratification yet you still would rather point them in the right direction so you just bark at them to get the point across. Imagine someone coming to your house, going to your living room, pulling their pants down, and taking a dump right there on the carpet just because they didn't know any better. You might be annoyed and yet also understanding because they didn't know any better. Now imagine this being a different person doing this every day. It wouldn't be long before you just as soon they go away and never come back.
Almost every day there is some clueless dolt posting a tech or troubleshooting question in the DiY area, despite there being a sticky thread at the top saying to only post threads there with DIY instructions and subsequent discussion of same. The real issue is that people think they are free to just come here and do as they damn well please and there's no need for etiquette, rules, structure, or organization unless it serves their own personal interest.
Well guess what? We're not here to cater to new uninformed people that come in here trampling all over everything regardless if they're ignorant, just don't care, or whatever. This is like any social community and so if you make waves you better expect to deal with it. If you don't like it then get the f' out because the established community could care less about some newbie whining about not getting what they want immediately. We do care about you clogging up the search engine with useless threads on already established subjects, which there is a dedicated thread on this very subject in this same forum area no less. It took me 10 minutes to explain this. Now imagine multiple people daily requiring it, so you make a Sticky thread at the top that says "read this first" and yet every single new person just like yourself thinks they are beyond trying to fit in properly so that this forum operates smoothly for all of us.
You probably don't read Japanese, but the line in my sig is a well known Japanese proverb that reads "the nail that sticks out gets hammered". You made yourself that nail.
Imagine somebody coming here daily, in fact it is often multiple people daily, asking if not demanding the same information over and over again. We are not your on demand servants. We are people just like you with other priorities and demands in our lives, limited time, our own personal interests for being here, etc. Why should we spend that time catering to people that come here seeking instant gratification?
That leaves us with two options. We can either ignore you completely or we can tell that the info is here if you bother to make the effort. However, over several years of telling people this you eventually get fed up dealing with the continuous stream of people seeking instant gratification yet you still would rather point them in the right direction so you just bark at them to get the point across. Imagine someone coming to your house, going to your living room, pulling their pants down, and taking a dump right there on the carpet just because they didn't know any better. You might be annoyed and yet also understanding because they didn't know any better. Now imagine this being a different person doing this every day. It wouldn't be long before you just as soon they go away and never come back.
Almost every day there is some clueless dolt posting a tech or troubleshooting question in the DiY area, despite there being a sticky thread at the top saying to only post threads there with DIY instructions and subsequent discussion of same. The real issue is that people think they are free to just come here and do as they damn well please and there's no need for etiquette, rules, structure, or organization unless it serves their own personal interest.
Well guess what? We're not here to cater to new uninformed people that come in here trampling all over everything regardless if they're ignorant, just don't care, or whatever. This is like any social community and so if you make waves you better expect to deal with it. If you don't like it then get the f' out because the established community could care less about some newbie whining about not getting what they want immediately. We do care about you clogging up the search engine with useless threads on already established subjects, which there is a dedicated thread on this very subject in this same forum area no less. It took me 10 minutes to explain this. Now imagine multiple people daily requiring it, so you make a Sticky thread at the top that says "read this first" and yet every single new person just like yourself thinks they are beyond trying to fit in properly so that this forum operates smoothly for all of us.
You probably don't read Japanese, but the line in my sig is a well known Japanese proverb that reads "the nail that sticks out gets hammered". You made yourself that nail.
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11-22-2011, 10:32 AM
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Thanks Grace. It was a trying situation, but it's over. Now I'm back to the hot start issue.
From the long time that it took to remedy the flooding situation, and testing so many components of the ignition system in the process, I'm beginning to think I have an injector leaking. I'm going to do my diligence in searching for leaky injector threads, but if someone knows anything about ways to check for/fix an injector problem, please let me know.
So...I've spent the past 30 minutes searching for leaky/leaking injectors. Only threads that came up were either dead links or about turbo installation.
another bit of info...I haven't done an exact calculation, but quick estimate on mpg is around 15-16. I know the 8 isn't a "green" car, but that's lower than the 18+ most people show on "fuelly" so another sign pointing to a leaking injector possibly.
Last night after sitting for approx. 30 minutes after a drive, I had to use the pedal to floor deflood to get it started.
So, low mpg, took forever to deflood, and had to use deflood method to start it warm after a drive. 3 signs toward a leaking injector?
From the long time that it took to remedy the flooding situation, and testing so many components of the ignition system in the process, I'm beginning to think I have an injector leaking. I'm going to do my diligence in searching for leaky injector threads, but if someone knows anything about ways to check for/fix an injector problem, please let me know.
So...I've spent the past 30 minutes searching for leaky/leaking injectors. Only threads that came up were either dead links or about turbo installation.
another bit of info...I haven't done an exact calculation, but quick estimate on mpg is around 15-16. I know the 8 isn't a "green" car, but that's lower than the 18+ most people show on "fuelly" so another sign pointing to a leaking injector possibly.
Last night after sitting for approx. 30 minutes after a drive, I had to use the pedal to floor deflood to get it started.
So, low mpg, took forever to deflood, and had to use deflood method to start it warm after a drive. 3 signs toward a leaking injector?
11-22-2011, 10:37 AM
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I wouldn't says just yet, you probably assumed because of the fumes coming out of your exhaust after the severe flood. But, back track before pro29745 started posting. What did you change in the car, check if you currently have the original OEM starter. Start in this thread: DIY Starter Change Swap
11-22-2011, 10:41 AM
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Ok, read back through.
Stop dicking around with other theories and get a compression test done. It should be about $100 at a local dealer. Go from there. You're just wasting time and spending money on what could be a lost cause if your compression is low.
FWIW, 16mpg for short trips/city driving isn't out of the norm.
Stop dicking around with other theories and get a compression test done. It should be about $100 at a local dealer. Go from there. You're just wasting time and spending money on what could be a lost cause if your compression is low.
FWIW, 16mpg for short trips/city driving isn't out of the norm.
11-22-2011, 10:48 AM
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Thanks a lot 9k, you're delightful as always.
Grace, I have replaced the plugs, air filter, cleaned the MAF, checked the coils, wires, and battery. I have the upgraded starter.
And FUZ, no I haven't had the compression checked by Mazda, but the compression seems fine. I will get it checked soon, but my local dealership is atrocious. Taking the plugs out one at a time, the engine sounds like it has great compression and was spraying a mist of fuel from the plug holes clear out of the wheel well during the deflood, so I'm not overly concerned with compression being the problem.
Grace, I have replaced the plugs, air filter, cleaned the MAF, checked the coils, wires, and battery. I have the upgraded starter.
And FUZ, no I haven't had the compression checked by Mazda, but the compression seems fine. I will get it checked soon, but my local dealership is atrocious. Taking the plugs out one at a time, the engine sounds like it has great compression and was spraying a mist of fuel from the plug holes clear out of the wheel well during the deflood, so I'm not overly concerned with compression being the problem.
11-22-2011, 10:55 AM
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Thanks a lot 9k, you're delightful as always.
Grace, I have replaced the plugs, air filter, cleaned the MAF, checked the coils, wires, and battery. I have the upgraded starter.
And FUZ, no I haven't had the compression checked by Mazda, but the compression seems fine. I will get it checked soon, but my local dealership is atrocious. Taking the plugs out one at a time, the engine sounds like it has great compression and was spraying a mist of fuel from the plug holes clear out of the wheel well during the deflood, so I'm not overly concerned with compression being the problem.
Grace, I have replaced the plugs, air filter, cleaned the MAF, checked the coils, wires, and battery. I have the upgraded starter.
And FUZ, no I haven't had the compression checked by Mazda, but the compression seems fine. I will get it checked soon, but my local dealership is atrocious. Taking the plugs out one at a time, the engine sounds like it has great compression and was spraying a mist of fuel from the plug holes clear out of the wheel well during the deflood, so I'm not overly concerned with compression being the problem.
Get your compression tested. Stop piddling around with other ****. If you must spend money on something other than a compression test, get new coils. As stated earlier, "testing" them doesn't give you the whole story.
You've been given advice. It's up to you to stop hunting snipe and take it.
11-22-2011, 10:55 AM
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JayP,
Do you think your engine's compression seemed like a 5.9 or a 6.0?
One is passing, the other isn't. If you can tell the difference, you have a business opportunity sensing compression scores in people's engines.
Do you think your engine's compression seemed like a 5.9 or a 6.0?
One is passing, the other isn't. If you can tell the difference, you have a business opportunity sensing compression scores in people's engines.
11-22-2011, 10:56 AM
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Ok, read back through.
Stop dicking around with other theories and get a compression test done. It should be about $100 at a local dealer. Go from there. You're just wasting time and spending money on what could be a lost cause if your compression is low.
FWIW, 16mpg for short trips/city driving isn't out of the norm.
Stop dicking around with other theories and get a compression test done. It should be about $100 at a local dealer. Go from there. You're just wasting time and spending money on what could be a lost cause if your compression is low.
FWIW, 16mpg for short trips/city driving isn't out of the norm.
And I've only spent money on plugs and an air filter which needed to be replaced regardless.
11-22-2011, 11:11 AM
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You're point is well taken. I get it. No need for all the **** talking from everyone. My extra money will be used for a spare vehicle right now, but I'm not going to let the 8 just sit in the driveway so I'm trying to do anything I can on my own to try and fix/find the problem UNTIL I get the compression check in a month or so. That's all. Sorry to inconvenience anyone. Damn.
11-22-2011, 01:50 PM
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Here's the problem, Jay...
You come to the Troubleshooting forum, looking for some expert advice for your problem. Multiple people (multiple times) have suggested getting a compression test.
When you so easily dismiss it by saying "the compression seems fine" based on your obviously inexperienced judgement, is pretty insulting to those who have taken time out of their day in an attempt to give you the help that you asked for.
But instead of appreciating the advice given, you just keep running everyone in circles, grasping at different possibilities for your issues... Almost as if you are pulling random part names from a hat.
We all completely understand that cash isn't exactly a luxury for you right now, as it isn't for the 99% (see what I did there... getting all topical and sh*t!). And if there were better/cheaper advice, trust me, you'd be getting it. But the fact of the matter is, what needs to be done to troubleshoot your issues isn't based on the cost, it's based on the logical progression of troubleshooting.
I bought a sports car in my early 20's (1990 Eagle Talon turbo)... But as fun as it was, I couldn't afford the requirements that a sports car will bring, and it turned out to be one of the worst financial decisions of my early adulthood. If I had it to do all over again, I most definitely would've chosen a more practical (less costly) ride.
And I'm sure you don't want to hear that perhaps a sports car isn't in your best interest if you can't afford the maintenance and repairs. But maybe someone else in a similar position, thinking about buying a sports car, may read this and choose otherwise.
You come to the Troubleshooting forum, looking for some expert advice for your problem. Multiple people (multiple times) have suggested getting a compression test.
When you so easily dismiss it by saying "the compression seems fine" based on your obviously inexperienced judgement, is pretty insulting to those who have taken time out of their day in an attempt to give you the help that you asked for.
But instead of appreciating the advice given, you just keep running everyone in circles, grasping at different possibilities for your issues... Almost as if you are pulling random part names from a hat.
We all completely understand that cash isn't exactly a luxury for you right now, as it isn't for the 99% (see what I did there... getting all topical and sh*t!). And if there were better/cheaper advice, trust me, you'd be getting it. But the fact of the matter is, what needs to be done to troubleshoot your issues isn't based on the cost, it's based on the logical progression of troubleshooting.
I bought a sports car in my early 20's (1990 Eagle Talon turbo)... But as fun as it was, I couldn't afford the requirements that a sports car will bring, and it turned out to be one of the worst financial decisions of my early adulthood. If I had it to do all over again, I most definitely would've chosen a more practical (less costly) ride.
And I'm sure you don't want to hear that perhaps a sports car isn't in your best interest if you can't afford the maintenance and repairs. But maybe someone else in a similar position, thinking about buying a sports car, may read this and choose otherwise.
11-22-2011, 08:31 PM
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Hey good job getting your car started!
'bout f***ing time right? Something I would do is run a bottle of fuel injector cleaner, fuel system cleaner, anything similar to that name in your gas tank. Pour 3/4 of the bottle (smaller sized ones work up to 21 gallons=read the label) of the fuel cleaner into your tank around 1/4 full, then while your sitting at the gas station fill your car with PREMIUM GASOLINE and don't be a cheapskate and go unleaded ever. Even some "premium" gasolines are Sh!tty so unleaded is the bottom feeder of all fuels. (cost of a gasoline is HIGH = Dirtbag gas stations filling with only unleaded and labeling it premium.) A good way to judge if gasoline is HIGH octane is give it a lick, the sweeter the better LOL jk dont do that
Hopefully you can remember the steps to get your car started in less than 3 weeks next time
, just keep your battery in good shape and you'll be fine with everything else. ( diehard brand chargers are like 39 bucks right now fyi ) sears brand i believe.
Now keep her firing!!!!
'bout f***ing time right? Something I would do is run a bottle of fuel injector cleaner, fuel system cleaner, anything similar to that name in your gas tank. Pour 3/4 of the bottle (smaller sized ones work up to 21 gallons=read the label) of the fuel cleaner into your tank around 1/4 full, then while your sitting at the gas station fill your car with PREMIUM GASOLINE and don't be a cheapskate and go unleaded ever. Even some "premium" gasolines are Sh!tty so unleaded is the bottom feeder of all fuels. (cost of a gasoline is HIGH = Dirtbag gas stations filling with only unleaded and labeling it premium.) A good way to judge if gasoline is HIGH octane is give it a lick, the sweeter the better LOL jk dont do that
Hopefully you can remember the steps to get your car started in less than 3 weeks next time
, just keep your battery in good shape and you'll be fine with everything else. ( diehard brand chargers are like 39 bucks right now fyi ) sears brand i believe. Now keep her firing!!!!
11-23-2011, 02:08 AM
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Hey good job getting your car started!
'bout f***ing time right? Something I would do is run a bottle of fuel injector cleaner, fuel system cleaner, anything similar to that name in your gas tank. Pour 3/4 of the bottle (smaller sized ones work up to 21 gallons=read the label) of the fuel cleaner into your tank around 1/4 full, then while your sitting at the gas station fill your car with PREMIUM GASOLINE and don't be a cheapskate and go unleaded ever. Even some "premium" gasolines are Sh!tty so unleaded is the bottom feeder of all fuels. (cost of a gasoline is HIGH = Dirtbag gas stations filling with only unleaded and labeling it premium.) A good way to judge if gasoline is HIGH octane is give it a lick, the sweeter the better LOL jk dont do that
Hopefully you can remember the steps to get your car started in less than 3 weeks next time , just keep your battery in good shape and you'll be fine with everything else. ( diehard brand chargers are like 39 bucks right now fyi ) sears brand i believe.
Now keep her firing!!!!
'bout f***ing time right? Something I would do is run a bottle of fuel injector cleaner, fuel system cleaner, anything similar to that name in your gas tank. Pour 3/4 of the bottle (smaller sized ones work up to 21 gallons=read the label) of the fuel cleaner into your tank around 1/4 full, then while your sitting at the gas station fill your car with PREMIUM GASOLINE and don't be a cheapskate and go unleaded ever. Even some "premium" gasolines are Sh!tty so unleaded is the bottom feeder of all fuels. (cost of a gasoline is HIGH = Dirtbag gas stations filling with only unleaded and labeling it premium.) A good way to judge if gasoline is HIGH octane is give it a lick, the sweeter the better LOL jk dont do that
Hopefully you can remember the steps to get your car started in less than 3 weeks next time
, just keep your battery in good shape and you'll be fine with everything else. ( diehard brand chargers are like 39 bucks right now fyi ) sears brand i believe. Now keep her firing!!!!
11-24-2011, 03:29 PM
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nice
Now count how many posts you have that are nothing but banter and bullshit. Maybe I don't post until I have something worth reading. Enjoy your computer time you worthless pos. Have fun heckling young guys and old women that just want to enjoy driving a car.
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Actually, Shady has a 10,159 total posts, so subtracting the 2,525 listed means that he has 7,634 posts of banter and bs.
The 2,525 is mostly helpful and/or troubleshooting. Including the whole bit where he rebuilt his own engine so he could learn more about it.
He has a point though, many items in your post are completely inaccurate, and you shouldn't be giving suggestions based on inaccurate information.
The main issue with your posts is that you apparently don't realize that US 87, 89, 91, and 93 are all unleaded gasolines. With different octane ratings. It is nearly impossible to use leaded gasoline, due to is incredible rarity (since the EPA regulations however many decades ago).
The difference between the numbers is OCTANE (it will even tell you right on the pump that it is octane rating of ##). Octane is a resistance to burning, and is used to help resist and/or prevent detonation/precombustion/knocking. 89 or higher is needed for our engine, but "premium" doesn't specify which octane rating. "Premium" is 93 in some areas of the country, 91 in others, and even 89 in still others.
Neither the "leaded/unleaded" status of gasoline or the octane rating has anything to do with "shity gas." You can have terrible 91 octane (the highest near you I believe) if the gas station owner is trying to offset costs by pouring something else in there. The owners that mess with the fuel are usually messing with 87 though, since 87 is what almost everyone buys, and that is where they have to keep their prices as low as possible to compete, thus no-margin. They don't mess with higher grades typically, because they can raise the price enough to make a profit without bothering to mess with the fuel.
And even all of that aside.... nothing he has mentioned would indicate engine damage from using 87 octane.
So yes. Read more, don't give advice until you actually know what you are talking about.
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I also reported your post as against forum rules. And before you throw the same rant at me, I have just shy of 11,000 BS and banter posts. I also contributed this: https://www.rx8club.com/new-member-forum-197/new-potential-owners-start-here-202454/ among my 4.5k recognized posts.
What are YOU going to do to contribute?
The 2,525 is mostly helpful and/or troubleshooting. Including the whole bit where he rebuilt his own engine so he could learn more about it.
He has a point though, many items in your post are completely inaccurate, and you shouldn't be giving suggestions based on inaccurate information.
The main issue with your posts is that you apparently don't realize that US 87, 89, 91, and 93 are all unleaded gasolines. With different octane ratings. It is nearly impossible to use leaded gasoline, due to is incredible rarity (since the EPA regulations however many decades ago).
The difference between the numbers is OCTANE (it will even tell you right on the pump that it is octane rating of ##). Octane is a resistance to burning, and is used to help resist and/or prevent detonation/precombustion/knocking. 89 or higher is needed for our engine, but "premium" doesn't specify which octane rating. "Premium" is 93 in some areas of the country, 91 in others, and even 89 in still others.
Neither the "leaded/unleaded" status of gasoline or the octane rating has anything to do with "shity gas." You can have terrible 91 octane (the highest near you I believe) if the gas station owner is trying to offset costs by pouring something else in there. The owners that mess with the fuel are usually messing with 87 though, since 87 is what almost everyone buys, and that is where they have to keep their prices as low as possible to compete, thus no-margin. They don't mess with higher grades typically, because they can raise the price enough to make a profit without bothering to mess with the fuel.
And even all of that aside.... nothing he has mentioned would indicate engine damage from using 87 octane.
So yes. Read more, don't give advice until you actually know what you are talking about.
Edit:
I also reported your post as against forum rules. And before you throw the same rant at me, I have just shy of 11,000 BS and banter posts. I also contributed this: https://www.rx8club.com/new-member-forum-197/new-potential-owners-start-here-202454/ among my 4.5k recognized posts.
What are YOU going to do to contribute?
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11-24-2011, 04:29 PM
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yeah lets just nip that argument in the bud m'kay? drop it
Jay your MPG doesnt indicate anything at all as far as injectors or compression. for one you mention you are just guessing not really calculating and averaging. But if you have done "back of the hand" calcs and you trust your 16 ish number its not unusual for the daily number to be around that if you dont really spend any time cruising at 60 in 6th.
if you really want to check the injectors send them out for an injector service to have them flow tested and balanced/matched etc. i forget who the servicer du jour is ? kgparts maybe?
your hot start issue is going to be fuel pump or starter. i doubt its compression from what ive read here.
Jay your MPG doesnt indicate anything at all as far as injectors or compression. for one you mention you are just guessing not really calculating and averaging. But if you have done "back of the hand" calcs and you trust your 16 ish number its not unusual for the daily number to be around that if you dont really spend any time cruising at 60 in 6th.
if you really want to check the injectors send them out for an injector service to have them flow tested and balanced/matched etc. i forget who the servicer du jour is ? kgparts maybe?
your hot start issue is going to be fuel pump or starter. i doubt its compression from what ive read here.
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11-24-2011, 04:31 PM
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yeah kgparts. http://kgparts.com/index.php?page=fuelinjectclean its like a hundred bucks
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quick little apology
Re-reading what I had posted that caused such a dramatic turn was that I didn't clarify I meant REGULAR unleaded gasoline, not PREMIUM gasoline. I understand fuels better than most and I use layman terms to help get a younger person's vehicle started. The information most of you were spouting out was completely useless to a person that is walking to work 2 miles, clearly doesn't have a second vehicle and just wants his car to start so he doesn't need to pay more money than he has to get it towed/tested/repaired and back on the road. (by a mazda tech?)
I stand by what I said, using Fuel system cleaners from STP or lesser brands like GunkOUT will help rid his car of a small amount of carbon, increase the OCTANE ( like it says on the bottle and fuel pumps!! wow big news there buddy ). Because my "avatar" is a silly looking cow and my profile has some incredibly basic information you assume I have no experience with the Rx-8 model and certain DIY or quick fix remedies to help someone who might of bought a car just because it was fast and wanted something nice to drive around. Heaven forbid people make mistakes!!
The best approach is to play to your audience, meaning don't speak complexly, using a bunch of scientific terms that a person with NO experience (yet) would understand is just something a man does when he wants to have a mental dick showing contest.
One more thing, I don't have any hard feelings Shady, I enjoyed seeing the USEFUL post you made that contained an SBfilters.com link. So thanks for that and don't ever talk down to someone without knowing them in and out. Good job rebuilding a rotary engine as well, I hear they're difficult, when I was a lot younger I rebuilt a babbit bearing 216 inline 6, drove it for 2 years without a problem other than the float in the rochester sank due to a pinhole once. Funny thing was I had to add a LEAD additive to the now UNLEADED gasolines while driving that '52 chevy. As far as EPA goes I have a universal technicians license and I understand lots of things that "government" agency has done and some being great, while others being a complete nuisance that later gets repealed when real scientists understand more.
Feel free to delete this if you want dictator ( or is it moderator), it might shorten the 8 pages by a bit and make you feel like god for a moment.
I stand by what I said, using Fuel system cleaners from STP or lesser brands like GunkOUT will help rid his car of a small amount of carbon, increase the OCTANE ( like it says on the bottle and fuel pumps!! wow big news there buddy ). Because my "avatar" is a silly looking cow and my profile has some incredibly basic information you assume I have no experience with the Rx-8 model and certain DIY or quick fix remedies to help someone who might of bought a car just because it was fast and wanted something nice to drive around. Heaven forbid people make mistakes!!
The best approach is to play to your audience, meaning don't speak complexly, using a bunch of scientific terms that a person with NO experience (yet) would understand is just something a man does when he wants to have a mental dick showing contest.
One more thing, I don't have any hard feelings Shady, I enjoyed seeing the USEFUL post you made that contained an SBfilters.com link. So thanks for that and don't ever talk down to someone without knowing them in and out. Good job rebuilding a rotary engine as well, I hear they're difficult, when I was a lot younger I rebuilt a babbit bearing 216 inline 6, drove it for 2 years without a problem other than the float in the rochester sank due to a pinhole once. Funny thing was I had to add a LEAD additive to the now UNLEADED gasolines while driving that '52 chevy. As far as EPA goes I have a universal technicians license and I understand lots of things that "government" agency has done and some being great, while others being a complete nuisance that later gets repealed when real scientists understand more.
Feel free to delete this if you want dictator ( or is it moderator), it might shorten the 8 pages by a bit and make you feel like god for a moment.
Last edited by MilkFist; 11-25-2011 at 01:48 AM.