Discussion of Technical Service Bulletins (TSBs) for RX-8
04-01-2004, 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by maxrx8
I have noticed that my security sys light (Car with a key) flashes now. In that past i had noticed a clicking noise from my doors I tried to track it down. Could it be this? The Diode replacement TSB.
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I have noticed that my security sys light (Car with a key) flashes now. In that past i had noticed a clicking noise from my doors I tried to track it down. Could it be this? The Diode replacement TSB.
bill
04-10-2004, 10:01 AM
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New TSB: Rear Quarter Window Glass Lock Becomes Loose
New TSB posted:Rear Quarter Window Glass Lock Becomes Loose.
04-13-2004, 11:03 AM
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04-13-2004, 01:10 PM
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With the new text it should be easier to get the car reflashed.
"It is important to update the PCM to at least “M” calibration if the vehicle’s PCM currently contains an earlier version. The “M” calibration contains software logic to prevent possible no start concerns. Because of this revision, all vehicles with previous calibrations should be updated to at least the “M” calibration level. This includes vehicles coming to the dealer for repairs unrelated to the no start concern, or normal scheduled maintenance."
"It is important to update the PCM to at least “M” calibration if the vehicle’s PCM currently contains an earlier version. The “M” calibration contains software logic to prevent possible no start concerns. Because of this revision, all vehicles with previous calibrations should be updated to at least the “M” calibration level. This includes vehicles coming to the dealer for repairs unrelated to the no start concern, or normal scheduled maintenance."
04-15-2004, 06:18 AM
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Revised TSB: Low Oil Level Oil Light Comes On When Level Is Not Low Revised 04/14/04
Bet you're not feeling like the Maytag man lately Tommy!
Bet you're not feeling like the Maytag man lately Tommy!
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04-15-2004, 07:20 AM
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does anyone know what they changed in the revised TSB for the oil pan? I cant find the original one anywhere....(the rosenthal site only has the revised one).
thanks in advance for any info....
thanks in advance for any info....
04-15-2004, 02:25 PM
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bluerenesis- you dont want the l flash now. now you want M. the link rx8cited provided above is to the tsb which was revised to say all rx8's should be brought up to at least the M calibration.
on the oil pan revison- it says at the top they revised the parts and warrenty section. i think they changed the part number but i am not sure. did they add the silicone?
on the oil pan revison- it says at the top they revised the parts and warrenty section. i think they changed the part number but i am not sure. did they add the silicone?
04-15-2004, 07:52 PM
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they actually cut the Dealers allotment in half on the silicone is the oil pan revision.
They used to get a tube per pan...now they only get half. They even developed a part # for half a tube.
The flooding TSB was revised only to make sure the dealer put the "M" update in ILO the "L".
The "M" has been tested and gives the car full fuel @ cold start and progressively reduces the "injector pulse width" (IPW) on the following starts if the engine does not see full warm up in the PREVIOUS start.
From what I am told some cars in the dealer inventory are still on the "J" update and flood in the service bay after 3 cold starts. (ECT less than 50f)
Some dealers have started an Rx8 10 times in less than a minute and could not get the car to flood after the 30.6 (M) update.
I posted elsewhere that the Dealers dont use the same "verbage" as far as updating the the cars in the shop.
You may go into the service dept and get THEIR lastest update and not get THE latest update. If the dealer has not gone to the Mz website and updated the WDS they may be weeks behind.
BTW the dealer is not allowed at this time to update the inventory unless they want to do it for free..Mz will not pay for the repair unless the customer has a complaint.
They used to get a tube per pan...now they only get half. They even developed a part # for half a tube.
The flooding TSB was revised only to make sure the dealer put the "M" update in ILO the "L".
The "M" has been tested and gives the car full fuel @ cold start and progressively reduces the "injector pulse width" (IPW) on the following starts if the engine does not see full warm up in the PREVIOUS start.
From what I am told some cars in the dealer inventory are still on the "J" update and flood in the service bay after 3 cold starts. (ECT less than 50f)
Some dealers have started an Rx8 10 times in less than a minute and could not get the car to flood after the 30.6 (M) update.
I posted elsewhere that the Dealers dont use the same "verbage" as far as updating the the cars in the shop.
You may go into the service dept and get THEIR lastest update and not get THE latest update. If the dealer has not gone to the Mz website and updated the WDS they may be weeks behind.
BTW the dealer is not allowed at this time to update the inventory unless they want to do it for free..Mz will not pay for the repair unless the customer has a complaint.
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04-15-2004, 09:13 PM
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thanks snapon. so why then does the wording in the tsb say all rx8's even if they come in for an unrelated issue or just for service. they are telling the dealers to do it but not paying for it?
04-15-2004, 09:48 PM
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Originally posted by zoom44
thanks snapon. so why then does the wording in the tsb say all rx8's even if they come in for an unrelated issue or just for service. they are telling the dealers to do it but not paying for it?
thanks snapon. so why then does the wording in the tsb say all rx8's even if they come in for an unrelated issue or just for service. they are telling the dealers to do it but not paying for it?
The wording in the TSB tells the dealer to update the car when the customer brings it in for ANYTHING be it repair or service.
The TSB does not tell the dealer to update the inventory.
If they sent a Master Tech through the inventory (since only a Master Tech should be working on a Rx8) and attempted to claim the time Mz would reject the claims and possibly flag the Dealer for review of every warranty claim.
It's like the IRS..they're gonna find something.
The problem here seems to be ignorance on the Dealers part.
It is a shame that you and others have walked in with a hot issue bulletin in hand and not recieved the service you deserve.
Maybe a new Dealer is the answer.
04-16-2004, 08:54 AM
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A lawyer's take
The bulletin on "M" flash seems contradictory -- do the flash even if the car is in for some other reason, but warranty payment only if there is a customer complaint with code #02, which is probably the hard starting. As a lawyer, I am used to guessing what confusing language is supposed to mean. One way to make sense of the bulletin is that it still only applies where there is evidence of a hard starting problem, but that there are two changes from the earlier bulletin -- reflash to M, even if the car has L, and don't wait for a special hard-start-complaint visit to do it.
That still may not make sense at first, but here's an example. A customer had a hard-start complaint, and the dealer reflashed to L. The customer has not had a hard start or flood since. The car comes in for service, and Mazda is saying that it wants the dealer to reflash again to M, and will pay for it.
BUT -- and I am sorry to say that I think this is what Mazda means -- those of us who want M (or whatever is the newest) because it may make our cars run better or get better mileage, but haven't had flooding or hard starting because we always warm our cars up, even when it's a nuisance, are out of luck.
That still may not make sense at first, but here's an example. A customer had a hard-start complaint, and the dealer reflashed to L. The customer has not had a hard start or flood since. The car comes in for service, and Mazda is saying that it wants the dealer to reflash again to M, and will pay for it.
BUT -- and I am sorry to say that I think this is what Mazda means -- those of us who want M (or whatever is the newest) because it may make our cars run better or get better mileage, but haven't had flooding or hard starting because we always warm our cars up, even when it's a nuisance, are out of luck.
04-16-2004, 10:05 AM
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I just got the M-flash this morning. Called, told them I wanted it and they made and appt for me.
I must say its a good thing I printed out the TSB, they looked at it and said my car doesnt need it cause it was built before April 2004. I said NO...read it again, you got it backwards....he read it again and said "see you dont need it". I said NO, READ IT AGAIN, it says cars built after April do not need it, but all OTHERS DO NEED IT!!!!. He then left and a few minutes later I walked out to the service area and saw the tech flashing it. I actually went out there and watched the download. Took about 10 mins. The tech was cool, but the service writer was an idiot.
Print out the TSB and demand the flash.
I must say its a good thing I printed out the TSB, they looked at it and said my car doesnt need it cause it was built before April 2004. I said NO...read it again, you got it backwards....he read it again and said "see you dont need it". I said NO, READ IT AGAIN, it says cars built after April do not need it, but all OTHERS DO NEED IT!!!!. He then left and a few minutes later I walked out to the service area and saw the tech flashing it. I actually went out there and watched the download. Took about 10 mins. The tech was cool, but the service writer was an idiot.
Print out the TSB and demand the flash.
04-16-2004, 11:07 AM
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Ok, I have had a couple occasions where it was hard to start, but not all the time. Where is the TSB and is there a way for me to tell what flash level I currently have?
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04-16-2004, 12:41 PM
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I really think the mods should combine all these threads if possible...
You can call me "Shirley" if you want, but everything seems to be running together.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=25613
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=17498
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=24742
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=23658
Maybe one "latest re-flash" thread
One pityful theme seems to continue to pop up in every thread.
If the Dealer is behind the curve..your car will be also.
You can call me "Shirley" if you want, but everything seems to be running together.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=25613
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=17498
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=24742
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=23658
Maybe one "latest re-flash" thread
One pityful theme seems to continue to pop up in every thread.
If the Dealer is behind the curve..your car will be also.
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04-17-2004, 06:53 AM
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The easiest way to get an 'M' flash is to take your car and the TSB to your service dealer. Get an oil change, mention that the car has been idling rough now and then.
That will cover you based on the wording of the TSB.
I fought this out with 2 dealers and finally got it done using the above method. Seems the dealer likes having a way to charge Mazda for the work (rough idle = warranty).
I also wrote MazdaUSA about this BS and I got back a very nice 'Thanks for your input - see ya!' letter from them (I think Heather was her name).
That will cover you based on the wording of the TSB.
I fought this out with 2 dealers and finally got it done using the above method. Seems the dealer likes having a way to charge Mazda for the work (rough idle = warranty).
I also wrote MazdaUSA about this BS and I got back a very nice 'Thanks for your input - see ya!' letter from them (I think Heather was her name).
04-22-2004, 11:55 AM
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FYI..
07-002/04 2004 RX-8 - A/C AIR TEMPERATURE FLUCTUATION AND / OR LACK OF COOLING
APPLICABLE MODEL(S)/VINS
2004 RX8
VIN: JM1FE17**40 000001-118171 (up to 9/11/03 production).
DESCRIPTION
Some customers may complain of lack of air conditioner cooling performance and / or a noticable temperature fluctuation (cool-warm-cool) from the vents. The cause may be due to improper logic control of the AC amplifier.
Customers having this concern should have their vehicle inspected and if necessary, repaired using the following repair procedure.
REPAIR PROCEDURE
Verify customer concern.
Ensure ignition switch is off and key is removed from ignition switch.
Locate A/C amplifier on left side of blower case near accelerator pedal.
Remove 3 screws attaching A/C amplifier to blower case.
Remove harness anchor from A/C amplifier.
Disconnect harness connectors from A/C amplifier.
Replace with new A/C amplifier. To install, reverse removal procedure.
Verify that there is no noticable temperature fluctuation (cool-warm-cool) from the vents.
NOTE: Make sure customer is aware that maximum cooling efficiency is achieved by setting temperature blend dial to MAX cool & "FRESH / RECIRC" mode to "RECIRC".
PART(S) INFORMATION
Part Number
Description
Qty.
Notes
FEY2-61-540
A/C Amplifier
1
WARRANTY INFORMATION
NOTE:
This warranty information applies only to verified customer complaints on vehicles eligible for warranty repair. Refer to the SRT microfiche for warranty term information.
Additional diagnostic time cannot be claimed for this repair
07-002/04 2004 RX-8 - A/C AIR TEMPERATURE FLUCTUATION AND / OR LACK OF COOLING
APPLICABLE MODEL(S)/VINS
2004 RX8
VIN: JM1FE17**40 000001-118171 (up to 9/11/03 production).
DESCRIPTION
Some customers may complain of lack of air conditioner cooling performance and / or a noticable temperature fluctuation (cool-warm-cool) from the vents. The cause may be due to improper logic control of the AC amplifier.
Customers having this concern should have their vehicle inspected and if necessary, repaired using the following repair procedure.
REPAIR PROCEDURE
Verify customer concern.
Ensure ignition switch is off and key is removed from ignition switch.
Locate A/C amplifier on left side of blower case near accelerator pedal.
Remove 3 screws attaching A/C amplifier to blower case.
Remove harness anchor from A/C amplifier.
Disconnect harness connectors from A/C amplifier.
Replace with new A/C amplifier. To install, reverse removal procedure.
Verify that there is no noticable temperature fluctuation (cool-warm-cool) from the vents.
NOTE: Make sure customer is aware that maximum cooling efficiency is achieved by setting temperature blend dial to MAX cool & "FRESH / RECIRC" mode to "RECIRC".
PART(S) INFORMATION
Part Number
Description
Qty.
Notes
FEY2-61-540
A/C Amplifier
1
WARRANTY INFORMATION
NOTE:
This warranty information applies only to verified customer complaints on vehicles eligible for warranty repair. Refer to the SRT microfiche for warranty term information.
Additional diagnostic time cannot be claimed for this repair
, but which of the TSBs listed is the one for the level 'M' update? Thanks in advance!
04-23-2004, 08:11 PM
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04-23-2004, 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by snap-on
... The "M" has been tested and gives the car full fuel @ cold start and progressively reduces the "injector pulse width" (IPW) on the following starts if the engine does not see full warm up in the PREVIOUS start.
Some dealers have started an Rx8 10 times in less than a minute and could not get the car to flood after the 30.6 (M) update.
... The "M" has been tested and gives the car full fuel @ cold start and progressively reduces the "injector pulse width" (IPW) on the following starts if the engine does not see full warm up in the PREVIOUS start.
Some dealers have started an Rx8 10 times in less than a minute and could not get the car to flood after the 30.6 (M) update.
WTF? Full fuel, as in the same fuel delivered at WOT?
Folk, unless I'm missing something here, THAT is EXACTLY the reason for the flooding!!!
Rotarygod or someone who knows more than me care to comment here???