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#176
Tell you the truth having a car that needs an enema every few years is not my idea of a good solution. I wonder why the RX-7 were not as susceptible to this as the 8s?
This recall, IMHO, is one of the best things Mazda could have done. The increased oil gives us better lubrication to prevent permanent damage. The added carbon buildup due to this additional lubrication can be easily removed using a $20 can of cleaner and an hour of time, giving us a cheap, simple, quick fix that any DIYer can do. All this while allowing us the peace of mind to know that we don't have to rev the sh$# out of the engine(as fun as it is) to remove carbon, causing more wear.. A can of cleaner is cheap.. The process is pretty simple..
Thanks, Mazda!
Thanks, Mazda!
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Because Rx7 was never as wide spread as Rx8 today.
This *Mazda fix* is not really a fix, they're just trying to *see if this will make the problem "less" likely to appear*.
this is what the 4-5th time that Mazda "increased" the OMP rate. its still not enough.
Premix is the *only way* to do this. We know, Mazda knows. But too bad Mazda cant tell people to premix, too many legal issues(and sales might drop dead).
So just premix. or just pray & hope nothing will go wrong.
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Because Rx7 was never as wide spread as Rx8 today.
This *Mazda fix* is not really a fix, they're just trying to *see if this will make the problem "less" likely to appear*.
this is what the 4-5th time that Mazda "increased" the OMP rate. its still not enough.
Premix is the *only way* to do this. We know, Mazda knows. But too bad Mazda cant tell people to premix, too many legal issues(and sales might drop dead).
So just premix. or just pray & hope nothing will go wrong.
This *Mazda fix* is not really a fix, they're just trying to *see if this will make the problem "less" likely to appear*.
this is what the 4-5th time that Mazda "increased" the OMP rate. its still not enough.
Premix is the *only way* to do this. We know, Mazda knows. But too bad Mazda cant tell people to premix, too many legal issues(and sales might drop dead).
So just premix. or just pray & hope nothing will go wrong.
#180
really? I complained about lack of power, and didnt mention MSP16 at all. The service tech was the one who immediately said, "good timing, theres a new recall just for that!" Then when I get my car back all they did was reflash the ECU and suggest I do an "induction flush" for 119.95?
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really? I complained about lack of power, and didnt mention MSP16 at all. The service tech was the one who immediately said, "good timing, theres a new recall just for that!" Then when I get my car back all they did was reflash the ECU and suggest I do an "induction flush" for 119.95?
Actually, they did rip u off, since they suppose to do the cleaning under warranty.
Well, Just follow my DIY and u will be *SET* in no time. the cleaner cost only 20 bux + a few bux shipping (if thats all u buy)
#182
If u're still under warranty, that means they tried to rip u off.
Actually, they did rip u off, since they suppose to do the cleaning under warranty.
Well, Just follow my DIY and u will be *SET* in no time. the cleaner cost only 20 bux + a few bux shipping (if thats all u buy)
Actually, they did rip u off, since they suppose to do the cleaning under warranty.
Well, Just follow my DIY and u will be *SET* in no time. the cleaner cost only 20 bux + a few bux shipping (if thats all u buy)
#183
I thought that the combine RX-7 sales far out numbered RX-8 sales. I agree with you observation on the oil and as pointed out so does Mazda with the addition of the 3rd oiler.
Because Rx7 was never as wide spread as Rx8 today.
This *Mazda fix* is not really a fix, they're just trying to *see if this will make the problem "less" likely to appear*.
this is what the 4-5th time that Mazda "increased" the OMP rate. its still not enough.
Premix is the *only way* to do this. We know, Mazda knows. But too bad Mazda cant tell people to premix, too many legal issues(and sales might drop dead).
So just premix. or just pray & hope nothing will go wrong.
This *Mazda fix* is not really a fix, they're just trying to *see if this will make the problem "less" likely to appear*.
this is what the 4-5th time that Mazda "increased" the OMP rate. its still not enough.
Premix is the *only way* to do this. We know, Mazda knows. But too bad Mazda cant tell people to premix, too many legal issues(and sales might drop dead).
So just premix. or just pray & hope nothing will go wrong.
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the rx8 is a tough car--it is realiable --didnt mean otherwise. it is only when an owner wants it running at its peak ALL the time, or is trying to squeeze a little more out of it, or is tracking etc that certain things become evident.
We forget that centrifulgul (spelling!) force is a major factor in keeping the seals in place and functioning. So the higher rpm you can consistanly mantain the better(as far as the seals and performance is concerned)--however that is not very practical in everyday driving. Heat and gas milage are 2 things that come to mind. Doesnt your car run much better after surviving a track w/e? There is a reason for that. So a 3nd injector does not solve all this. It is good, the electrical mop is good but the "fix" is not there yet.
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We forget that centrifulgul (spelling!) force is a major factor in keeping the seals in place and functioning. So the higher rpm you can consistanly mantain the better(as far as the seals and performance is concerned)--however that is not very practical in everyday driving. Heat and gas milage are 2 things that come to mind. Doesnt your car run much better after surviving a track w/e? There is a reason for that. So a 3nd injector does not solve all this. It is good, the electrical mop is good but the "fix" is not there yet.
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the rx8 is a tough car--it is realiable --didnt mean otherwise. it is only when an owner wants it running at its peak ALL the time, or is trying to squeeze a little more out of it, or is tracking etc that certain things become evident.
We forget that centrifulgul (spelling!) force is a major factor in keeping the seals in place and functioning. So the higher rpm you can consistanly mantain the better(as far as the seals and performance is concerned)--however that is not very practical in everyday driving. Heat and gas milage are 2 things that come to mind. Doesnt your car run much better after surviving a track w/e? There is a reason for that. So a 3nd injector does not solve all this. It is good, the electrical mop is good but the "fix" is not there yet.
olddragger
We forget that centrifulgul (spelling!) force is a major factor in keeping the seals in place and functioning. So the higher rpm you can consistanly mantain the better(as far as the seals and performance is concerned)--however that is not very practical in everyday driving. Heat and gas milage are 2 things that come to mind. Doesnt your car run much better after surviving a track w/e? There is a reason for that. So a 3nd injector does not solve all this. It is good, the electrical mop is good but the "fix" is not there yet.
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and you do know the more oil you put in the gas, the more carbon you will get (unless your using something like MM oil)... actually i know you do since i believe it was you that posted how horrible your spark plugs looked after a few hundred miles...
and carbon has killed more of our engines then seal wear...
and carbon has killed more of our engines then seal wear...
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and you do know the more oil you put in the gas, the more carbon you will get (unless your using something like MM oil)... actually i know you do since i believe it was you that posted how horrible your spark plugs looked after a few hundred miles...
and carbon has killed more of our engines then seal wear...
and carbon has killed more of our engines then seal wear...
Plus our *pig rich* fuel mixture ...
I went back to the way I premix, which is about 8oz-12oz now. I just *look* at the plugs couple days ago when I do the tranny fluid swap from RP Maxgear to Redline's MT-90. my plugs looks fine for now. it has about 800 miles on them (the foul HKS plugs had about 1K miles, but its already like crap)
Only time will tell tho.
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I just called Tustin Mazda about doing this procedure and they said it would take 20 to 30 minutes. After looking over the service bulletin i saw that step 12 said to let the cleaner soak for at least an hour. After that there is a lot of testing that needs to be done while the engine is idling and driving. There is also a test drive procedure. I called and asked how it could be done so quickly when some steps take so long. The guy told me that the cleaner only needs to be left there for an hour if you have a k&n intake or filter. Also, i asked about the test drive with the sensor hooked up to the car and he said this was unnecessary and i can just drive it normally. Should i take my car there for this service or is this guy a complete crackhead?
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The guy told me that the cleaner only needs to be left there for an hour if you have a k&n intake or filter. Also, i asked about the test drive with the sensor hooked up to the car and he said this was unnecessary and i can just drive it normally. Should i take my car there for this service or is this guy a complete crackhead?
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I just called Tustin Mazda about doing this procedure and they said it would take 20 to 30 minutes. After looking over the service bulletin i saw that step 12 said to let the cleaner soak for at least an hour. After that there is a lot of testing that needs to be done while the engine is idling and driving. There is also a test drive procedure. I called and asked how it could be done so quickly when some steps take so long. The guy told me that the cleaner only needs to be left there for an hour if you have a k&n intake or filter. Also, i asked about the test drive with the sensor hooked up to the car and he said this was unnecessary and i can just drive it normally. Should i take my car there for this service or is this guy a complete crackhead?
I almost faint when I Saw that line. These ppl are really full of Crap.
U dont have to do the test drive if u're sure ur car has no problem. I have the testing tools, but never use it. One day I will, just not yet.
Do it urself, just follow my DIY, is not hard. u dont even need to jack ur car up
#195
If you have a good service department that you trust, then sure. But the bonehead who told you a K&N intake or filter somehow altered the time it takes for cleaner to work and the importance of his mandated procedure is a huge red flag. I wouldn't trust them.
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update: just took my car in this morning, at 8am, to get a full test to see if the engine needs replacing. i posted a while back, but i had my 2nd lack-of-power issue, took it in to get the tsb, and he said let's do a full check and contact mnao to see if you need a new engine. hopefully i'll hear back tomorrow. he said it would def take o/n. i miss my 8!!
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the rx8 is a tough car--it is realiable --didnt mean otherwise. it is only when an owner wants it running at its peak ALL the time, or is trying to squeeze a little more out of it, or is tracking etc that certain things become evident.
We forget that centrifulgul (spelling!) force is a major factor in keeping the seals in place and functioning. So the higher rpm you can consistanly mantain the better(as far as the seals and performance is concerned)--however that is not very practical in everyday driving. Heat and gas milage are 2 things that come to mind. Doesnt your car run much better after surviving a track w/e? There is a reason for that. So a 3nd injector does not solve all this. It is good, the electrical mop is good but the "fix" is not there yet.
olddragger
We forget that centrifulgul (spelling!) force is a major factor in keeping the seals in place and functioning. So the higher rpm you can consistanly mantain the better(as far as the seals and performance is concerned)--however that is not very practical in everyday driving. Heat and gas milage are 2 things that come to mind. Doesnt your car run much better after surviving a track w/e? There is a reason for that. So a 3nd injector does not solve all this. It is good, the electrical mop is good but the "fix" is not there yet.
olddragger
They redesigned the Rotor to be more oval.
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