Nemesis8

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http://www.finishlineperformance.com...14-08-1924.pdf

I wonder if that spray can is actually Seafoam's Deep Creep...

zoom44

thanks kevin- just saw that. will be adding the pdf to teh sticky thread in just a moment.

its a pretty thorough procedure for diagnosing any power stumble of loss of power issue.


notice its for 04-08 so they are still seeing some issues with newer models or they just want to get it covered prior to the 09 changes

Nemesis8

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You can move, edit delete this if you want. Makes me wonder about doing a Seafoam cleaning like Jeff mentioned.

MazdaManiac

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The new calibration also has slightly different ignition timing as I noted elsewhere.

Old Rotor

I believe they will be retarding the timing.

Razz1

Wow, and I was just thinking of looking up the thread and cleaning with Sea Foam myself.

Why would one not want to put a T fitting on two hoses and clean both ports at the same time?

Good thing to note is:

They do not want you to drive more than 45mph and accelerate quiclky.

Must be to prevent Sea Foam creep into the Cat canverter, thus destroying on prematurely ending its life real soon.

What is really amazing is the whole procedure does what we have been saying for two years.

I just posted in the Aussy forum two days ago that we were doing the same thing in the states. Mis-diagnoises and then an engine replacement.

rotarygod

Does this scare anyone else but me?

"Poor rotor sealing of rotor chambers due to worn apex seals. This may be caused by lack of metering oil lubrication during high ambient air temperature conditions."

Huey52

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Worst case scenario if they've become worn. But no self respectin' RX8 clubber, especially a Rotary god, would let it get that far (e.g. pre-mix in harsh environments and/or the 'emission recall' flash and an occasional de-carbonizing fuel additive*). No worries.

* http://www.seafoamsales.com/motorTuneUpTechGas.htm

* http://www.gumout.com/products.asp?products=1_4

MazdaManiac

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No, they advanced the trailing timing.

They reduced the timing split to 5° across the board except at maximum load and heavy load at very low RPM, where it is 10° - 15°.
It used to be 15° - 20° in most of those same ranges.
They probably could have gone all the way to 0° in the mid-throttle spots. I'm not sure why they didn't, other than to permit the use of crappy gas.

dmc27

Yes it does. I thought the along the same lines as Zoom: problem still NOT solved. There was also mention of poor lube during start up - which scares me even more. Possibly explaining why we've seen plenty of engine replacements in areas that are not deserts??

Detrich

will we all be getting letters in the mail for this recall?

Nemesis8

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^ It's not a recall, it's Technical Service Bulletin. You have to complain of "loss of power" to have the TSB applied to your car.

Ericok

Bulletin MSP16 is pretty clear that it applies to EVERY 04-08 car within the VIN range. The other two are symptom dependent.

Nubo

Well, at least we have a formalized procedure for de-carbonizing the engine

I assume

"...revised PCM calibration is available which increases
metering oil lubrication during high ambient air temperature conditions."

refers to the flash applied with the previous recall, since it isn't directly referenced otherwise?

MazdaManiac

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No. That was "T".
The new one is "U" or "V", depending on where you live.

Old Rotor

We have to look at it as the exotic it is and hope they keep taking care of us because we Love the Rotary! There is so much to learn yet! D I...cant wait for the next thing... I bought my first one in '71 and have not had to pay for a engine yet.

onefatsurfer

I'm confused.. Is there now a new updated pcm reflash for all models? I got my '05 reflashed to "G" on Jan 3. Is my car protected? Is this basically an official mazda thumbs up for premixing?

Edit: Nevermind. I should be upgraded to H it seems like in the tsb. Guess I'll be "upgrading" my pcm. Still may start premixing anyway, though. Thanks

For those wondering:

2004
M/T - All N3Z2-18-881U SW-N3Z2EU000 - U flash
A/T - All N3Z1-18-881V SW-N3Z1EV000 - V flash
2005
M/T - Calif. N3ZD-18-881H SW-N3ZDEH000 - H flash
A/T - Calif. N3ZC-18-881J SW-N3ZCEJ000 - J flash
M/T - Fed. N3ZB-18-881H SW-N3ZBEH000 - H flash
A/T - Fed. N3ZA-18-881J SW-N3ZAEJ000 - J flash
2006-2008
M/T - Calif. N3M1-18-881K SW-N3M1EK000 - K flash
A/T - Calif. N3M2-18-881M SW-N3M2EM000 - M flash
M/T - Fed. N3M5-18-881K SW-N3M5EK000 - K flash
A/T - Fed. N3M6-18-881M SW-N3M6EM000 - M flash

TrochoidMagic

was posting this curiousity in the other issues&problem thread. didn't get much help tho...
i did do the test-drive procedure, but need to double check if i followed the right steps. but did keep under 3k rpm for 20 mins city drive, brought up to 8k rpm. idle for 1min and see if idle speed drops under 700...

this was stated somewhere in the 2nd bulletin 01-014-08 iirc. and its for actual customer complaint on lack of power. i'd only quickly ran this procedure... but i think i'll feel much safer when i get the new revised flash. i must've been lucky cause i've premixed since the first mile its been in my belonging.

btw, its good someone actually made a new thread on this. i wasn't getting much info or help on this subject in the older threads. keep coming with the feed-backs and comments.

TrochoidMagic

*so catch me on this if i'm wrong peoples:
-so that means 01-013-08 SHOULD be set and updated with the pcm reflash for model cars 2004-08. (mine being the "K" flash for '07 6mt)
-whereas 01-014-08 is for testing procedures for customers who brings their car in that are experiencing problems... where they will do carbon removal; test drive procedure; and sensor volt tests... and engine replacements for these tests are dependent on results???

so yeah... my car may not be the worst due to my premixing. either way, it seems like some kinda long break-in procedure. and i'm still very eager for the flash as i've been wondering why my dip stick hasn't been moving much.

Nubo

Edit, nevermind I didn't realize there was more than one bulletin.

So what if I never to to Mazda for "regular maintenance or repair"... Can I just call to get the MSP reflash?

Razz1

Don't need the U flash with the AP unit!

MazdaManiac

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That's true.
Not everyone wants that option, but it is a good one - especially if you are off warranty or don't have a useful dealership nearby.

BrianGT

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This is my situation, I'll be ordering an AP in the next couple of weeks.

New Yorker

Where do you get that? The TSBs explain—in great detail—what needs to be done. In fact, in one of them, a specific engine cleaner is mentioned, along with incredibly specific instructions on how it's to be used. In the 35 pages of the three new TSBs, do you see the word "premix" mentioned? Even once?

A few facts:
1) Mazda wants your engine to last as long as possible. Having to replace your engine is bad. Bad for you. Bad for Mazda.
2) If there are things that can be done to help make your engine last longer, Mazda will make those things known. Even if they're an inconvenience. Like having to drag your car to the dealer for a new flash.
3) If the new TSBs wanted you to premix, they would use the word "premix" somewhere in the 35 pages. At least once, if not several times. (That's how language works.) What's more, Mazda would explain, in tedious detail—and with multiple illustrations—what to premix with, how to premix, and when to premix. Yet there's no mention of premix in 35 pages. Not one mention.

That tells me something.

MazdaManiac

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They might have thought of that 5 years ago.

How much more of an admission of culpability do you expect from Mazda?