MSP16 covers the engine cleaning part, IF THE CUSTOMER COMPLAINS ABOUT THE LACK OF POWER.

 

Thanks. From what I read, the MSP16 bulletin (013/08) only covers the PCM reflash. It seems we were miscommunicating and the dealer says that they they have done the other bulletin (014/08), so I'll have to see how this takes care of the problem.

 

My local dealer interprets the TSB to mean that the flash should be done first and then if the problem persists the decarbon process wil be done.

 

I just got back from my dealer, and my favorite service master tech Wayne, who by the way is leaving to start his career in massage! He will be sorely missed.

All I had done was the Zoom Power decarb - that was it. We measured my vacuum at 19-20 inches of mercury! w00t - I have a solid engine after 66,000 miles.

 

mine was a white card

 

trying to get the "engine lack of power" done tomorrow. had power loss for the 2nd time yesterday - super hot here in austin, a lot of traffic, had severe power loss and miac sounds; let 'em rest o/n and all day today, just went for a brisk drive and it was normal, no noise, great power. def related to ambient temp, the 1st time it happened to me it was super hot too.

i looked at my "owners" page on mazda.com like that other guy and mine says that i'm due for the "engine lack of power" recall/tsb. i'll post back if/when i get it done...

oh - '04, 49k, run 87 gas, manual, no issues up til this...

 

I never have Loss of power. well except when it misfire (but its just becuz my HKS racing plugs was foul + coils getting old)

Its all good now and I start using Mid-grade gas (89) for my last 3 tanks. works fine.

 

well---i took some of the stuff mazda uses for this service(bought a can from the dealer parts man--good guys) and I sprayed a rotor that i had sitting out that was carboned up pretty good and let it set overnight. I positioned the rotor so that the cleaner would stay on the face and not drain off. i actually filled the depression of the rotor with the stuff
i also did the same with another rotor but used wd 40.
When you spray the mazda stuff it initially foams up and adheres to the surface. Course the wg 40 doesnt.
Conclusion ---no real difference in cleaning power. neither even came close to fully cleaning the rotor face with hard wiping with a shop cloth. Both did clean some but what was left was hard, very hard carbon deposit, that heat(as in running it in an engine) would not have helped to get it off.
it would take multiple cleanings to do that.
my thoughts are that the cleaning is for the seals/springs ONLY , where the carbon is not so thick and if that is the case then frequent cleanings should be done.
olddragger

 

I'd add that mutliple applications should use a catless midpipe.

 

I'd recommend unbolting the cat or mid pipe loose from the manifold, pull them apart so that there's a gap between them, and then put something underneath on the floor to catch what comes out

I did this and a ton of liquid poured out, except that I didn't put anything underneath and it all ran out onto the concrete floor

I managed to get the flanges about 1" apart and left it that way upon restart rather than pull the whole cat pipe assembly out. I can see how it would otherwise damage a cat. All that liquid would have been flooded the cat and then probably ignited and/or smoked for days afterward had I not let it run out. Most of what did burn off escaped between the gapped flanges with the resulting smoke pouring out from the front area of the car, though some of the smoke still found it's way through the exhaust and out the tips lightly as some of it still managed to pulse it's way through the cat. I'm pretty confident that it didn't cause any problem with the cat doing it this way since the majority escaped out the gapped flanges.

 

update: took my car in today for "engine lack of power" serv bulletin. couldn't do it, too busy; but here's what he had to say:

first, he wanted me to pay for it (49k, out of warranty in january) b/c even tho i have the ext power train warranty, "the service bulletin isn't a power train issue necessarily". i said bs, the sb came out in march, so it shouldn't be my fault mazda fixes the glitch AFTER my warranty is up. he agreed.

then, after asking more info about my power loss issue, HE brought up engine replacement! so i have an appt next next monday to get a full once over (compression, cat, 40-50 mile test drive by a tech, etc) to see if i need a full engine replacement. i'll let u know when i hear back about it.

i was always hoping i wouldn't need an eng replacement, even tho it's under warranty, b/c i wanted my baby to be on it's original forever, but hey, if they fix it for free, i guess i'll take it!!

EDIT: very important question though -- does anyone know if the reman'd engines FIX the power loss issue??! i.e. water in the taillights, got them replaced with new, "fixed" taillights, so i don't have that issue anymore. but w/ regard to the engine, have they FIXED the problem, or is this a temporary fix, and possibly in another 40 or 50k, i might have the same issue with the reman??? the reman warranty is only 1 year, right?

 

i have 27k miles on a reman motor. all is well..

beers

 

that's good news!! do u remember/know if they specifically said/acknowledged that the reman indeed corrected the issue? i'm excited, getting a new engine with less than 1 yr on my ext warranty ... let's hope they don't screw me!

 

The real fix is the center oil injector on the '09. So I will be pre-mixing for the first time ever till the next rotary.

 

^ +1.

S

 

oh nooooo, pre-mixing is baaaad, baaaad ....

 

premixing stopped the issue with the first engine.. but the damage was done... with the new motor i continue to premix..

not a lot, but enough to be safe..

beers

 

Ok, this TSB states that Mazda should perform this procedure on cars they have in their inventory. I don't think it requires a "complaint". Best I can gather from reading this reflash affects startup oil injection (it increases it) and also affects timing as a function of temperature (retards at high temps).

I had this done, and I did so on the basis Mazda wanted it done on the cars dealerships have in their inventory.

 

My car did not produce huge amounts of the so called "white cloud of doom". Does that mean I had very little carbon? Or we did not let it sit long enough before starting it?

 

I had my taillights done today and the MSP is listed as a recall on the paperwork.

 

Damn good question. I think Mazda thought they had the problem of engine failure identified when they did the engine replacement recall with the flash at that time. Obviously that did not do the trick, they are hoping this next flash will help but the real solution is in the 09 with the 3rd oil injector plug. This flash is a patch that Mazda is hoping will keep the engine running for the life of the car or at least through the warranty. Only time will tell.

 

got news for ya--the 3nd injector alone does not solve our problems.
olddragger

 

This recall, IMHO, is one of the best things Mazda could have done. The increased oil gives us better lubrication to prevent permanent damage. The added carbon buildup due to this additional lubrication can be easily removed using a $20 can of cleaner and an hour of time, giving us a cheap, simple, quick fix that any DIYer can do. All this while allowing us the peace of mind to know that we don't have to rev the sh$# out of the engine(as fun as it is) to remove carbon, causing more wear.. A can of cleaner is cheap.. The process is pretty simple..

Thanks, Mazda!

 

Uhh… what problems? I've never had a car more reliable.

 

Unless you have an 09 that is, then again you still may end up with carbon issues. Only time will tell my friend.