ayrton012

It's ok. Experience is more than any hypothesis, but there aren't any similarities between racing and street use.

nycgps

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I think it all comes down to how our Government treat the other *smaller countries*.

If Iraq has no oil, do you seriously think our government will give a crap ? Im sure North Korea **** the hell outa this government for years. You dont see this government send like 300K troops there to *protect* and *Free* their people. Theres war in South africa, like Congo, every freaking day, you dont see this government go *help them and free the people*, oh wait, they have no oil there. nevermind !

Not to mention, Osama was TRAINED by FBI. So who started the problem ?

You should stop watching CNN or Fox for your sources.

They dont even dare to report stuff in Afghanistan anymore, its like a PoS right now, A LOT worst than *post* war.

I hate Terrorist I know, but do you really think they want to be a terrorist to **** people off ? Who doesnt want to live ? Who loves to strap a bomb on then run to people ? These people already lost everything, so they have nothing to lose.

Plus, our big 3 in the government runs oil business ... Wonder where did the 120 bux a barrel comes from ?

It should hit 200 bux a barrel this year, but who knows, it could be higher but NOT lower.

nycgps

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There are.

you can say 100 Racing miles = 1000 regular street miles.

r0tor

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But anyway, I still think the craze in going thicker then 5W30 is lunacy unless you have a full time race car as the dry starts will kill you.

nycgps

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Its more than just trading.

5w40

CnnmnSchnpps

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Well in the long run it's an issue of supply and demand... As standards of living in China and India go up you suddenly have a couple billion people thirsty for oil.. What happens then?

Spot on about the other stuff.... The media in this country makes me sick.

FloppinNachos

I agree with nycgps, 5w40 would be best. Starts are only related to the first number. You could have "5w60" and start up properties would be similar to 5w20.

ayrton012

As we know cold start up is the worst thing for the engine so 0w-xx always better.

nycgps

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In the long run yeah ... but not 2008, they just wanna suck every single dollar they can find before Bush is outa the office, cuz you never know what will happen on the next election.

Oil prices has been going *UPWARDS* ever since Bush is IN the office. It starts slow, like couple bucks, but it did went up.

then Bush & Dick is like *oh wait, its not going up fast enough, lets just start a *war of terror* to push things up a bit!!!*

They got what *they* want, but look at Iraq right now, its like a Piece of **** everywhere. Even WORST than the time that saddam was in power, Im Not saying I like Saddam, but its fact that Iraq had a better life before than now.

Screw it, lets not turn this into A debate

FloppinNachos

could 0w-xx maybe be too thin though?

nycgps

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Im using 0w30, for cold starters its good.

rotarygod

First of all this is turning into a political thread so let's not do that and secondly the economy went to crap after the Democrats took over control of congress so blame the right people. The person you blame has ZERO power to do anything about it.

mysql

I partially agree with you RG... but I don't think even congress has the power to set oil prices on the global market.

nycgps

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Just one last comment : the democrats took control like what, last year?

economy cannot go bad in *one day*, its all *build up* like carbon deposit

Look at how Bush spent the money on Iraq, war of terror my ***, we're talking about Trillions of dollars, throwing bombs for no reason. Protect Iraq from Terrorist and give them freedom my butt. North Korea is bad too and Im sure they **** US government more than Saddam did, why Bush never consider about sending our troops over there? Cuz they have no Oil !!!!

Look back the history, whenever the republicans go in the economy will *fudged up* then the democrats step in to fix it, then the republican goes in again the cycle goes on.

No more, this is not what this thread is for

Jax_RX8

Just one thought - I think the President, and Congress for that matter, get way too much Credit and Blame for the state of the economy.

The economy ALWAYS runs in cycles of good and bad, it is necessary for the overall health of the economy to have slowdowns occasionally, and the timing of these cycles tend to place praise and blame on whomever happens to be in government at the time of their occurrences.

While the government can impact the economy some with policies, it is a small impact relative to all the goings-on in the US and World economies.

Back to expo's worn out motor - and his new one!

ayrton012

0w only "show" how thin is the oil at cold start up. Thinning at hot engine is depend on the -xx. An 0w-30, 5w-30 or 10w-30 is the same (almost)thin when hot.

... even 0w is not enough thin for start up, but that is the best on the market today.

digitalSniperX1

Those offering up speculation and uninformed opinion in a fashion that encroaches on boundaries of promulgated fact definately should adhere to the advice that it's better to keep thier mouths shut and be thought an idiot than to open it and remove all doubt.

Enough of the speculative (at best) political discussion. I get all I can manage watching CNN and reading european press.

r0tor

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trading 100% determines the price. If XOM could set the price, they wouldn't have been selling gasoline to consumers for a net LOSS in the late 90's and pre 9/11.

BTW, I worked for them and happen to know the top brass of the company are actually democrats

Jax_RX8

So true - it is amazing to me how many people still do not understand what these designations really mean.

Some still think that an xWxx oil starts out thinner and "thickens" as it gets warmer to its designated weight - NO, NO, NO. A Cold oil is ALWAYS thicker than a warm oil, it is just a matter of how much thicker it gets when it cools to room temperature.

0W30 means that the oil is a 30 weight at operating temperature of 100C, for a 30 weight this is around 9.5-11.5 cSt.

This same oil at room temperature (the 0W part) of 40C is around 45-50 cst - around 4-5 times as thick.

By comparison, a 10W would be at about 65-70 cSt at room temperature (40C) or about 6-7 times as thick, but the exact same weight at operating temperature (100C) of about 9.5-11.5 cSt.

nycgps

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I understand the xwxx means I studied a bit about oil too (spent quite some time at my local library hehe)

Most people dont understand tho

LionZoo

I have a feeling if Mazda had recommended 5W30 for the Renesis here like they did for the rest of the world we wouldn't find people so hesitant to use 5W40. Yet, since they recommended 5W20, people are very wary of going to a 40 weight hot since it feels like too much of a difference from the manufacturer's recommendation.

ayrton012

Otherwise the only reason why Mazda do not recommend 0w-xx oils is, that they don't have that. You can't find a 0w-xx oil with Mazda label on the market today.

sosonic

How dare you say I'm wrong!

Hahahah.... just kidding...

What modifiers they put in to get to the 0W or to get to the W40 depends on the base stock. So, I'm not wrong, nor are you necessarily wrong. Additives can be used to go in both directions.

My point is that I rather have less additives and have startup protection, which is why I like ester based oils.

savedsol

You're still wrong. It's not "W40" so stop putting that. The first # contains the zero. As was pointed out it's a 40 weight oil with additives to make it a 5W at room temp (W as in winter not weight).

Regarding why people don't run 0W, don't forget most if not all of them are synthetics. Same with 5W-40. Not to get into that debate.

ayrton012

Yes, and all 0w is true synthetics.

- Synthetic oils are always better. -