BDC

Hah, right.

BDC

Good. That means it can be left to somebody else who'll actually use a spare housing, figure out if those R-6794 plugs indeed do need a washer, and then give them a try in a boosted Renesis setup instead of somebody who just talks a great game.

B

MazdaManiac

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Wow. Why are you such a phenomenal jackass?
I mean, really.

How much more accurate do you need the pictorial to be before you put your e-***** away?

zoom44

instead of taking the time to post that you could have taken and posted your pic already just sayin

MazdaManiac

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Part of the "problem" is that you can't just "take a picture" of the interference.
The gap in the plug shoulder is blocked by the plug body when it is screwed in.
I suppose you could put a piece of PlastiGauge on the plug seat...

BDC

I'll take it as a "no" that you won't actually do it. Instead, you'll just continue talking your good game (like you usually do), using technical jargon that most nobody on here understands in an attempt to pass yourself off as genius and experienced, yet really not offering anything of real substance that truly helps anybody.

While you're at it, why don't you grow up and change your style of avatar from the normal, soft-core, daily rotation of scantily clad girls (that are half your age), in compromising positions, that I have to scroll by when my 10yr old step-son is near and instead put something else up that's more becoming of a "businessman". Maybe then it'll engender you to answer your AccessPort PM's as well as handle those year-old turbo kit transactions.

B

BDC

Unfortunately Zoom, I don't have a spare housing. All I have are reference pictures of other housings. I suppose I could get a spare Renesis housing and to the plugs myself; I did afterall throw the suggestion out there in response to the thread owner to try those plugs. They did make a substantive difference on my car even though I run more load on mine than probably anyone else on this forum.

B

MazdaManiac

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I posted very precise pics. Tell me what you want to see (short of sawing through a housing to show the plug relief.
A pic of the face of the plug in-vitro does nothing since you can't see the shoulder clearance from there.


Yes. That is exactly what I do. I never offer anything substantive like pictures, tutorials, data, DIYs, charts, graphs, spreadsheets or instructions.
I just post here to lure in the simple-minded and trolls such as yourself.
That is my only MO.

Why don't you just change the channel? Turn off avatars?
I like my avatars and so do a LARGE number of people here.
Its entertainment.
If you are offended, look elsewhere.
BTW - I'm not a businessman. I'm a hobbyist. I think that is pretty clear.


AccessPORT PM's? I have well over 300 APs out there now. Care to hazard a guess as to what the percentage of "complaints" are to successes?
How many "customers" do you service a day - as a hobby?

So, put up or shut up.

Pics are in the thread.

BTW - ever wonder why MazSport shipped those plugs with washers?

JIN13

Oh Snap In Yo Face, and MM I like your avatars their Great....

Brettus

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nice one

Spose you think you are the only person in the world who knows how to measure stuff .

MazdaManiac

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Nah.
But, apparently, I'm the only one that will actually do it and document it.

Brettus

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well i would do a pic like yours if i had digital calipers . It would show 21.5 to the shoulder - not the crush washer but unfurtunately my calipers are old school vernier type .
And my housing hole is 0.7 deeper than yours but that could be explained away by slight housing tolerance differences and measurement error .

MazdaManiac

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OH MY F-ING GOD.

I'll take new pics.

Is it me? This is so freaking obvious. Why is this kind of stupid nit picking going on over .25mm when the problem is almost 3mm?

OK. Gimme a minute.

05rex8

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wait a minute...don't use the rx7 plugs with shims? except for NA? I'm confused....they are used in a motor that is turbocharged....surely my mere 5-7psi won't be an issue with them..no?

MazdaManiac

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I give up.

Brettus

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cuz thats how we roll around here .


the nit picking is over more than .25
I'm saying 20.4 to the crushed crush washer - you are saying 21.5 to the shoulder i think but the crush washer is always there so has to be measured also.

I'll bet if you look up the specs for the plug it will show 21.5 to the shoulder and make no mention of the crush washer because that is a moving target - before it is crushed it is over 2mm wide - after only 1mm ....

05rex8

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what?
i want to know what BDC is talking about, what's the big deal?

MazdaManiac

iTrader: (3)

NO!

I am saying 21.5 from the mating surface of the washer to the end of the plug.
YOU are saying I didn't do that.
I corrected you and said its just a parallax error.
I just laid the caliper down for the picture after taking that actual measurement.
So, I'm gonna have to shoot a video.
Which will be ignored.
And I will be accused of not helping anyone.
And then someone will ask about whether or not they need washers in an N/A application.
And so it will go on ad infinitum.

dannobre

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I ran some 8 range leadings for a while on the street and they seemed OK

Need to get some 10's for the track though

JIN13

OK people listen up and pay attention and have some common sense the RX8 stock plug size's are as follows.



Stock RX8



Leading plugs 21mm (.826") Reach



Trailing plugs 19mm (3/4") Reach



FD RX7 plug size's are



Leading plug 21.5mm (.846") Reach



Trailing plug 21.5mm (.846") Reach



With that being said if you plan on running FD RX7 plug you might want to have some what of a spacer/washer in bettewn cause the RX8 as you can see carry a slightly different size so you might want to keep it to the size of the stock ones' that the 8 comes with that way there are less chances of problems. So since the FD plugs are chearper by like 10-15 Buck's it would cost so much more to replace you motor so take precations. Done drop it the Horse is as dead as can BE.....

05rex8

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^yeah, we all know this, but for some reason it turned into some big mystery if shims or washers were needed
I knew they were needed...I run all 4 trailing FD plugs, 2 of them with shims

JIN13

^thank you some one get's it. Let those who don't belive run what ever they want cause they aperently have money to get a new motor...You all killed the horse

WingleBeast

BDC, ill screw in some 13b plugs without shims, run it on boost for 5k and then take the motor apart after to show you the distortion if you pay for my rebuild.

MM proved what he could with the tools at hand and the only option that doesnt destroy a housing. the burden of proof is now on you. and there are no need for personall attacks on a person or their buisness just because they arnt giving you some sort of proof that you want. way to make yourself look like a jerk.

JIN13

^I second that^

Charles R. Hill

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..... and ad nauseum. Seems this debate arises every spring. Not to mention I can get racing heat ranges from NGK in the Iridium. Ask Juan (marsredr100).