Pettit Super Charger Owners
I see what you mean!
I guess it would be a little hotter spot there, but I do know a couple of cars that done this years ago without a problem?
I will use mine Thanks for the motivation to look again.
OD
I guess it would be a little hotter spot there, but I do know a couple of cars that done this years ago without a problem?
I will use mine Thanks for the motivation to look again.
OD
true-- a couple folks removed the line because they didnt want that heat around.
I never really saw a difference. This time i think I will route it a little different--just to clean up that spot.
Have yall seen the Hose candy that is going around---its pretty sweet. I may use some myself.
OD
I never really saw a difference. This time i think I will route it a little different--just to clean up that spot.
Have yall seen the Hose candy that is going around---its pretty sweet. I may use some myself.
OD
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'What Happens in Vegas' Meet - 2011
NEW DATES FOR THE EVENT: MAY 20, 21 & 22 of 2011
ORLEANS WILL BE THE OFFICIAL RESORT HOTEL THIS YEAR WITH SPECIAL RATES FOR OUR GROUP.
ORLEANS HOTEL & CASINO
4500 WEST TROPICANA
LAS VEGAS, NEVADA. 89103
(702) 365-7111
Toll Free 800-675-3267
WHiV4 is a no charge event for rotary vehicles and their owners. We are trying to make your experience worth the trip and keep the costs reasonable.
NEW DATES FOR THE EVENT: MAY 20, 21 & 22 of 2011
ORLEANS WILL BE THE OFFICIAL RESORT HOTEL THIS YEAR WITH SPECIAL RATES FOR OUR GROUP.
ORLEANS HOTEL & CASINO
4500 WEST TROPICANA
LAS VEGAS, NEVADA. 89103
(702) 365-7111
Toll Free 800-675-3267
Friday and Saturday Rates will be: $85.00 per day and weekday rates at $38.00 per day for those who want to come early or stay late. There is also a room tax of 12% and a Resort fee of $5.00 so those that wish to stay/arrive a day early/late will pay $247.96. There are suites and penthouse suites available at this time with a reduced rate. When reserving your room ask for pricing on any upgrade you may desire. Since the room rate is based upon double occupancy, you have your choice of a king size bed or two queen size beds. I would suggest that you visit their site on line to see the amenities offered. http://www.orleanscasino.com/
For those participants whose significant others do not participate in the parties and cruises, there is free shuttle transportation from the Orleans to most spots on the strip. Saturday evening to the Hofbrau House transportation will be provided from the Orleans and back again by the Orleans shuttle service.
Reservations made by phone to (800) 675-3267 must use the group name of "DESERT BOILERS" not using this group name may not get the special rate or be told that the Hotel is sold out
Your area heads will be: Utah: Jethro Tull, California: Jedi54, Arizona, Texas & New Mexico: Easy_E1, Wyoming Washington, Oregon, Idaho and Nevada: 13X. every where else contact Phil's 8
(area subject to change due to event center booking).
PARTY AT THE ORLEANS
buffet
(during & after lunch)
8pm until 11pm:
PARKING
In the coming weeks we may post some additional information on the meet.
Swag will be available very soon.
RESERVATIONS
Reservations made on line to www.orleanscasino.com/groups must use the reservation ID of ODESCO5 Not using the ID will cause confusion, mischarging or being told that the Hotel is sold out.Reservations made by phone to (800) 675-3267 must use the group name of "DESERT BOILERS" not using this group name may not get the special rate or be told that the Hotel is sold out
A CREDIT CARD WILL BE NEEDED FOR RESERVATIONS
If you have any questions please feel free to PM them to me, Phil's 8 or by email
RESERVATION CUTOFF DAY IS APRIL 20TH, 2011
If you have any questions please feel free to PM them to me, Phil's 8 or by email
RESERVATION CUTOFF DAY IS APRIL 20TH, 2011
AFTER CUTOFF DAY ROOMS ARE ON AN AS AVAILABLE BASIS SO GET YOUR RESERVATION IN EARLY.
Your area heads will be: Utah: Jethro Tull, California: Jedi54, Arizona, Texas & New Mexico: Easy_E1, Wyoming Washington, Oregon, Idaho and Nevada: 13X. every where else contact Phil's 8
SCHEDULE OF EVENTS
FRIDAY MAY 20THMEET & GREET
from 3pm until 8pm
Meet and Greet in the west parking lot of the Orleans Event Center. You must check in here to be elgible for the Rotary Show and to receive your WHiV4 douments. Swag will be on sale at the table as will raffle tickets. Cut off for the Rotary Show entry will be 7pm (area subject to change due to event center booking).
ROTARY SHOW
starts at 4pm until 7:30pm
This year a rotary show will be held in the parking area adjacent to the Meet & Greet. There will be several categories depending upon the cars registered prior to the event. Repus, old school, 7s and 8s will be judged separately. 7s may be broken up into fist, second and third gen vehicles if preregistration shows a sufficient number. All rotary cars will be eligible for trophies. Cut off for the judging will be 7:30pmEvent area subject to change due to rental of the Orleans Event Center
PARTY AT THE ORLEANS
Starts at 8pm until 12 midnight
The party will be in the Presidential Penthouse Suite and will be BYOB on libations with chips and dips supplied by WHiV4. The Orleans has a liquor store on site for any libation you could desire. Please be advised that you will be required to wear the ID that was issued at the Meet & Greet areaSATURDAY MAY 21
ANNUAL CRUISE
(location to be named)NO HOST LUNCH AT THE ORLEANS
buffet
RAFFLE FOR GOODIES
(during & after lunch)
TRADITIONAL GET TOGETHER AT THE HOFFBRAU HOUSE
8pm until 11pm:
A No Host Dinner is served and prices range from $10.00 and up for traditional German faire and the beer flows at all times. A German band plays and the noise, laughing and crying from the group almost drowns out the band. If you remember in years past, parking is a problem at the Hoffbrau House so this year there will be two easy alternative ways offered to get to the Hoffbrau House. A free shuttle service will be offered by the Orleans to and from the location (tip extra). Again this year there will be Limo Service available from the Orleans to the Hoffbrau house and back again. The limo service will be $30.00 per person if paid in advance and $35.00 (tip included) after May 1,2011. There is a limit of 20 persons for the limo service. You can prepay with PayPal www.WhatHappensInVegasMeet.com
SUNDAY MAY 22
SCENIC CRUSE10am until 12 noon:
We will have a short cruise to Red Rock and it will take less than 30 minutes to get there and there is a paved, 13 mile, one-way scenic drive (open from dawn to dusk), within the Red Rock Canyon National Conservation Area boundaries. There is a fee for using this road of less than $10.00 (should be $7.00 but you know the park service). Very Scenic, very twisty and a good place to say good by to Las Vegas. The end of the loop is within 5 miles of the express way in case you are leaving after the cruise
End of WHiV4...Hope you all had a good time
We will have a short cruise to Red Rock and it will take less than 30 minutes to get there and there is a paved, 13 mile, one-way scenic drive (open from dawn to dusk), within the Red Rock Canyon National Conservation Area boundaries. There is a fee for using this road of less than $10.00 (should be $7.00 but you know the park service). Very Scenic, very twisty and a good place to say good by to Las Vegas. The end of the loop is within 5 miles of the express way in case you are leaving after the cruise
End of WHiV4...Hope you all had a good time
PARKING
Orleans is providing an area that will be watched very closely in the West Parking Garage. We will be parking in the area where the executives of the Hotel park. It is well patrolled and the cameras do work. Security is planning on having a foot patrol thru the parking area along with random vehicle patrols.
In the coming weeks we may post some additional information on the meet.
Swag will be available very soon.
Dang Phil---be careful and dont have too much fun!
I wish yall could come to the "Mitty" at Road Atlanta in May of this year.
Question guys-- does this engine use coolant that is on the way back to the radiator to cool the exhaust ports? That is a critical area and known weak areas of this engine (corner of the apex seal and the side seal spring) could use a little help there? Anyway to change the way it is now? Can we get cooler coolant to it?
It would be nice if there was a way to let the coolant exit out the rear of the engine and then all the return coolant passages now being used could be for fresh coolant directly from the radiator?
Moon --where are ya??
I wish yall could come to the "Mitty" at Road Atlanta in May of this year.
Question guys-- does this engine use coolant that is on the way back to the radiator to cool the exhaust ports? That is a critical area and known weak areas of this engine (corner of the apex seal and the side seal spring) could use a little help there? Anyway to change the way it is now? Can we get cooler coolant to it?
It would be nice if there was a way to let the coolant exit out the rear of the engine and then all the return coolant passages now being used could be for fresh coolant directly from the radiator?
Moon --where are ya??
Had a great time at NASA FL Homestead/Miami Speedway yesterday and the car ran flawlessly. Tranny grind went away after changing the gear oil from Royal Purple to Redline MT-90.
Car ran a bit cooler than last month at PBIR thanks to my new secondary radiator. Coolant temps were 210-215F from 230F last month and same ambient temps. Oil temps were 245-255F towards the end of each session. Four sessions for a total of 98 miles around the track.
I was able to weight the car using a four wheel scale. Total weight 3327lbs with me in the car (175lbs) and a full tank of gas. I was not able to see each corner weight numbers but I was told the car was 50/50 and 99% corner coefficient perfect. The weight master asked “does the car have coilovers?” Yup! The he said “do not change a thing”.
Video links will follow later today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSOjxNhfC7k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCOADPsTmDs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oF5i0g6Evo
Car ran a bit cooler than last month at PBIR thanks to my new secondary radiator. Coolant temps were 210-215F from 230F last month and same ambient temps. Oil temps were 245-255F towards the end of each session. Four sessions for a total of 98 miles around the track.
I was able to weight the car using a four wheel scale. Total weight 3327lbs with me in the car (175lbs) and a full tank of gas. I was not able to see each corner weight numbers but I was told the car was 50/50 and 99% corner coefficient perfect. The weight master asked “does the car have coilovers?” Yup! The he said “do not change a thing”.
Video links will follow later today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSOjxNhfC7k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCOADPsTmDs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oF5i0g6Evo
Last edited by marsredr100; Jan 9, 2011 at 01:57 PM.
Great Juan.
I see you are now addicted
Glad the secondary worked well for ya--oil temps are getting up there though?
Imagine if we could loose a couple hundred pounds.
How were your intake temps?
Dont forget to change the oil right after track--lots of fuel in it.
Cant wait to see your vids man.
OD
I see you are now addicted
Glad the secondary worked well for ya--oil temps are getting up there though?
Imagine if we could loose a couple hundred pounds.
How were your intake temps?
Dont forget to change the oil right after track--lots of fuel in it.
Cant wait to see your vids man.
OD
Great Juan.
I see you are now addicted
Glad the secondary worked well for ya--oil temps are getting up there though?
Imagine if we could loose a couple hundred pounds.
I can lose a couple if I remove the passenger seat and rear seats but I rather not.
How were your intake temps?
My intake temps were 95-105F while spraying 50/50 VP Racing M5 using 100/60 meth nozzles. I’m going to change to 25/75 M5/H2O mix next time to see if that is what makes my engine run so hot. I got the feeling that the M5 might be the culprit.
Dont forget to change the oil right after track--lots of fuel in it.
Yeap, changing engine oil and oil pan goop cuz I got a small leak after installing the greddy oil pan for the second time.
Cant wait to see your vids man.
OD
I see you are now addicted
Glad the secondary worked well for ya--oil temps are getting up there though?
Imagine if we could loose a couple hundred pounds.
I can lose a couple if I remove the passenger seat and rear seats but I rather not.
How were your intake temps?
My intake temps were 95-105F while spraying 50/50 VP Racing M5 using 100/60 meth nozzles. I’m going to change to 25/75 M5/H2O mix next time to see if that is what makes my engine run so hot. I got the feeling that the M5 might be the culprit.
Dont forget to change the oil right after track--lots of fuel in it.
Yeap, changing engine oil and oil pan goop cuz I got a small leak after installing the greddy oil pan for the second time.
Cant wait to see your vids man.
OD
My HAWK HP plus brake pads are AWESOME! No brake fade at all, PERIOD. I already ordered a pair of rear slotted rotor because my current drilled/slotted rotor have small cracks around a couple of the drilled holes. BTW, brake rotors temps were 300-325F front/rear driver side and 400+F front/rear passenger side. The ATE Super Blue brake fluid performs flawlessly too.
Going to change my spark plugs. I use NGK 11.5 trailing 10.5 leading.
Going to change the belts and supercharger oil too. I use Royal Purple 50W.
Next road race is March 12 at Homestead. So I got 1.5 month to get ready.
BTW, what is the size of the supercharger big pulley number???
Here is the vid...last session and lots of errors but it was my first time at Homestead.
http://vimeo.com/18609248
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Last edited by marsredr100; Jan 10, 2011 at 04:41 AM.
nice vid---drove smart. Mostly really smooth and you were getting a little faster every lap.
Looks like a fun little track.
How was suspension compression coming of the highbank to the infield?
Hope I can make this with you in March. Its with NASA? All w/e?
Now some track hints from an old fool:
When behind traffic and unable to pass go ahead and upshift--save motor and decrease temps--you did that some already---great!
After the red convertable passed you? it looked you got to thinking " I am going to catch his ***"!
Dont do that IF that is what happened
Use the rumble strips more especially on the little S turn before the straight a way.
Looks like one turn may be faster using a double apex?
Once you get a little more experience then:
Big hint get 17 inch wheels or tires OR use a 35 size sidewall for the 18 incher. The RA 1's unshaved can be driven to the track and home--so can the NTO1's Nittos.
Better tires are the difference between night and day AND you will need to upgrade brake pads once your speeds increase ---and they will!
Better tires and gearing will make transitioning much better and acceleration out of the corners will be so much better.
Remember used race tires are great for HPDE folks like us and you can get a very good set for $300 or less. And you can rotate this type tires.
Yep I can see you would really like the 09 trans.
Makes me want to get out there again--even with a tired engine.
OD
Looks like a fun little track.
How was suspension compression coming of the highbank to the infield?
Hope I can make this with you in March. Its with NASA? All w/e?
Now some track hints from an old fool:
When behind traffic and unable to pass go ahead and upshift--save motor and decrease temps--you did that some already---great!
After the red convertable passed you? it looked you got to thinking " I am going to catch his ***"!
Dont do that IF that is what happened
Use the rumble strips more especially on the little S turn before the straight a way.
Looks like one turn may be faster using a double apex?
Once you get a little more experience then:
Big hint get 17 inch wheels or tires OR use a 35 size sidewall for the 18 incher. The RA 1's unshaved can be driven to the track and home--so can the NTO1's Nittos.
Better tires are the difference between night and day AND you will need to upgrade brake pads once your speeds increase ---and they will!
Better tires and gearing will make transitioning much better and acceleration out of the corners will be so much better.
Remember used race tires are great for HPDE folks like us and you can get a very good set for $300 or less. And you can rotate this type tires.
Yep I can see you would really like the 09 trans.
Makes me want to get out there again--even with a tired engine.
OD
Anyway, if some one can provide the T&E department with the BELT PART NUMBER will be much appreciated.
Thanks,
The Management
How was suspension compression coming of the highbank to the infield?
Excellent, some people lose it on turn 10 (one 350Z and one Corvette) but I had no issues with it.
Hope I can make this with you in March. Its with NASA? All w/e?
Sebring will be much closer (Jun 24-25) and more challenging than PBIR or Homestead. I only do a Sat or Sun cuz my pockets aren't that deep.
Now some track hints from an old fool: Correction...Devil Dog
When behind traffic and unable to pass go ahead and upshift--save motor and decrease temps--you did that some already---great!
Can't do sometimes cuz I have to wait for the ahead driver to give me a point pass. I'm in group HPDE1/2 and some of the drivers are very new to the race scene. Twice I had to pull into the hot pits cuz they are so tunnel vision and not aware of cars tailgating. Once I move to HPDE3/4 (hopefully in March) I'll be able to pass without having to wait for a point pass. Not been able to pass at will take a toll on our rotary engine high rev advantage and is aggravating at times.
After the red convertable passed you? it looked you got to thinking " I am going to catch his ***"! Dont do that IF that is what happened.
That is a supercharged camaro with an automatic tranny. The guy drives like a maniac and if you noticed is all over the track. I do it just to watch him make mistakes but I do stay in my lane.
Use the rumble strips more especially on the little S turn before the straight a way.
Rumble strips take effect on other parts of my anatomy.
Looks like one turn may be faster using a double apex?
I know what ya saying but I don't like to do the double apex thing.
Once you get a little more experience then:
Big hint get 17 inch wheels or tires OR use a 35 size sidewall for the 18 incher. The RA 1's unshaved can be driven to the track and home--so can the NTO1's Nittos.
Not when you have to drive 5 hours to the track.
Better tires are the difference between night and day AND you will need to upgrade brake pads once your speeds increase ---and they will!
Better tires and gearing will make transitioning much better and acceleration out of the corners will be so much better.
Remember used race tires are great for HPDE folks like us and you can get a very good set for $300 or less. And you can rotate this type tires.
Sorry DD but I will not change tires at the track or buy another set of wheels.
Yep I can see you would really like the 09 trans.OD
Excellent, some people lose it on turn 10 (one 350Z and one Corvette) but I had no issues with it.
Hope I can make this with you in March. Its with NASA? All w/e?
Sebring will be much closer (Jun 24-25) and more challenging than PBIR or Homestead. I only do a Sat or Sun cuz my pockets aren't that deep.
Now some track hints from an old fool: Correction...Devil Dog
When behind traffic and unable to pass go ahead and upshift--save motor and decrease temps--you did that some already---great!
Can't do sometimes cuz I have to wait for the ahead driver to give me a point pass. I'm in group HPDE1/2 and some of the drivers are very new to the race scene. Twice I had to pull into the hot pits cuz they are so tunnel vision and not aware of cars tailgating. Once I move to HPDE3/4 (hopefully in March) I'll be able to pass without having to wait for a point pass. Not been able to pass at will take a toll on our rotary engine high rev advantage and is aggravating at times.
After the red convertable passed you? it looked you got to thinking " I am going to catch his ***"! Dont do that IF that is what happened.
That is a supercharged camaro with an automatic tranny. The guy drives like a maniac and if you noticed is all over the track. I do it just to watch him make mistakes but I do stay in my lane.
Use the rumble strips more especially on the little S turn before the straight a way.
Rumble strips take effect on other parts of my anatomy.
Looks like one turn may be faster using a double apex?
I know what ya saying but I don't like to do the double apex thing.
Once you get a little more experience then:
Big hint get 17 inch wheels or tires OR use a 35 size sidewall for the 18 incher. The RA 1's unshaved can be driven to the track and home--so can the NTO1's Nittos.
Not when you have to drive 5 hours to the track.
Better tires are the difference between night and day AND you will need to upgrade brake pads once your speeds increase ---and they will!
Better tires and gearing will make transitioning much better and acceleration out of the corners will be so much better.
Remember used race tires are great for HPDE folks like us and you can get a very good set for $300 or less. And you can rotate this type tires.
Sorry DD but I will not change tires at the track or buy another set of wheels.
Yep I can see you would really like the 09 trans.OD
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What are people doing to keep the innercooler from freezing during the winter? Draining and blowing it out? Additives? I'd hate to find out the wrong way.All I've read is to use water "distilled I would hazard a guess" and a bottle of chill charger.
Lol-----rumble strips and parts of your anatomy. Too much info.
Dont like to double apex? Wait until you experience it properly done---you will love the corner exit part and maybe even how you can take advantage of the excellant trailbraking ability we have on corner entry! 1st time though it may make you a little nervous?
Tire changing is no big deal? You getting to be an old man or something? Heck it only takes about 10 minutes.
I see your sessions lasted over 20 minutes---we hardly ever get that with NASA up this way. Most of the time its actually around 15 -20mins-not counting flags/etc. What kind of speeds did you see? Mostley 3/4 gears? 5th on the banking straight?
I would like to do a track event with you guys, another member of our club has already done Sebring with his prepared 1st gen. Some other guys are interested also. Lets stay in touch on this OK?
OD
Dont like to double apex? Wait until you experience it properly done---you will love the corner exit part and maybe even how you can take advantage of the excellant trailbraking ability we have on corner entry! 1st time though it may make you a little nervous?
Tire changing is no big deal? You getting to be an old man or something? Heck it only takes about 10 minutes.
I see your sessions lasted over 20 minutes---we hardly ever get that with NASA up this way. Most of the time its actually around 15 -20mins-not counting flags/etc. What kind of speeds did you see? Mostley 3/4 gears? 5th on the banking straight?
I would like to do a track event with you guys, another member of our club has already done Sebring with his prepared 1st gen. Some other guys are interested also. Lets stay in touch on this OK?
OD
Tire changing is no big deal? You getting to be an old man or something? Heck it only takes about 10 minutes.
Agree, however my hands would get dirty.
I see your sessions lasted over 20 minutes---we hardly ever get that with NASA up this way. Most of the time its actually around 15 -20mins-not counting flags/etc. What kind of speeds did you see?
Homestead 105-110, PBIR 120-125 and Seabring 135-145.
Mostley 3/4 gears? 5th on the banking straight?
Yes
I would like to do a track event with you guys, another member of our club has already done Sebring with his prepared 1st gen. Some other guys are interested also. Lets stay in touch on this OK?
OD
Agree, however my hands would get dirty.
I see your sessions lasted over 20 minutes---we hardly ever get that with NASA up this way. Most of the time its actually around 15 -20mins-not counting flags/etc. What kind of speeds did you see?
Homestead 105-110, PBIR 120-125 and Seabring 135-145.
Mostley 3/4 gears? 5th on the banking straight?
Yes
I would like to do a track event with you guys, another member of our club has already done Sebring with his prepared 1st gen. Some other guys are interested also. Lets stay in touch on this OK?
OD
The bad:
Well the supposed oil leak from the greddy oil pan turn out to be a small leak from the engine. The leak is located right along (top part) of the spark plug side of the engine between the front housing and the front rotor housing. It leaks about one drop every minute while at idle and I noticed the leak since October.
According to Cam is either oil coming out of a known porous area around the dowel (defect from early renesis and mine is an early 2004 model) or a crack in the front housing. Either way, we won’t know until engine teardown. Other than that the engine runs great.
Engine will be pull tomorrow and at Cam’s on Monday for teardown.
The good:
Engine will be ported and rotors will be machined to accept 2mm FD apex seals.
BTW, no, no, no, no, no, no lower compression rotors will be used. No, no, no, no, super-duper apex will be used other that FD oem apex seals. No, no, no, no, no other modifications will be made.
Well the supposed oil leak from the greddy oil pan turn out to be a small leak from the engine. The leak is located right along (top part) of the spark plug side of the engine between the front housing and the front rotor housing. It leaks about one drop every minute while at idle and I noticed the leak since October.
According to Cam is either oil coming out of a known porous area around the dowel (defect from early renesis and mine is an early 2004 model) or a crack in the front housing. Either way, we won’t know until engine teardown. Other than that the engine runs great.
Engine will be pull tomorrow and at Cam’s on Monday for teardown.
The good:
Engine will be ported and rotors will be machined to accept 2mm FD apex seals.
BTW, no, no, no, no, no, no lower compression rotors will be used. No, no, no, no, super-duper apex will be used other that FD oem apex seals. No, no, no, no, no other modifications will be made.
Last edited by marsredr100; Jan 18, 2011 at 11:32 AM.