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Old May 25, 2006 | 08:35 PM
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Oh, I'd definitely turbo the the V8.
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Old May 25, 2006 | 09:08 PM
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I've actually been witness to an FD with an LS6 in it. It was a crazy thing. Crazier than that was that the owner said he lost top end power in exchange for low end torque.. His single turbo FD was putting out more power than the vette (and I hear that's not too uncommon)... he wants to turbo the LS6 now... well, I havent seen him in about 6 months. He might've already.

turbo probably won't do much to the rpm range. a cam will help with that.

THEN the turbo :D
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Old May 25, 2006 | 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by guitarjunkie28
turbo probably won't do much to the rpm range. a cam will help with that.

THEN the turbo :D
Personally, I'd supercharge it.. but even so.. i dont know what all he's done to the engine itself. I went through all my 2k5 pics and I don't have any pics of under the hood. I only have pics of the car itself which annoys me.


The LS6 actually has a really good rev range. I know peak horsepower on the LS2 engines is at 6000 and 6300 on the LS7.
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Old May 25, 2006 | 11:11 PM
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i thought one good thing about the v8 swap was you don't have to spin them very fast to make power. if you like turning 7-8k, stick with the rotary. it'll at least live at those rpm ranges happily.
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Old May 26, 2006 | 12:06 AM
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If you don't want to spin an engine fast to make power, just install a Powerstroke or a Cummins diesel.
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Old May 26, 2006 | 12:18 AM
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Yeah. There's a Powerstroke F350 here in town that runs 12.8's - AT 5500 FEET ELEVATION!!
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Old May 26, 2006 | 12:45 AM
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I don't like the turbo with the Renesis.

I don't believe they have reliability. I belive Pettit Racing.

Look we already have blown Greddy turbo's.

Great job on the tume Scott.

I''m waiting for linear power and reliability with a Super Charger.

I've already passed Turbo's on the track during the hot summer due to heat soak.

Then when it's cool I loose out to the same drivers and cars with the turbo's.

Super Charger here we come!
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Old May 26, 2006 | 02:14 AM
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If you don't want to spin an engine fast to make power, just install a Powerstroke or a Cummins diesel.

define "fast" 7k is rediculously fast for a big block.
8k isn't even redline for the renny or s2k motors.
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Old May 26, 2006 | 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Razz1
I don't like the turbo with the Renesis.
I don't believe they have reliability. I belive Pettit Racing.
Look we already have blown Greddy turbo's.
Great job on the tume Scott.
I''m waiting for linear power and reliability with a Super Charger.
I've already passed Turbo's on the track during the hot summer due to heat soak.
Then when it's cool I loose out to the same drivers and cars with the turbo's.
Super Charger here we come!
What makes you think any of the drawbacks you describe don't affect a car with a belt-driven supercharger?
Heat soak? On a car that is moving?

You need to do a little more reading before you consider anything.
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Old May 26, 2006 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by guitarjunkie28
define "fast" 7k is rediculously fast for a big block.
8k isn't even redline for the renny or s2k motors.
I was thinking anything over about 3K!
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Old May 26, 2006 | 01:18 PM
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back on topic- i am having a hard time wrapping my brain around that hp increase at 5 psi. maybe scott can help us out with this by letting us know which turbo it is?
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Old May 26, 2006 | 01:30 PM
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^^ Indeed, though that would only make the discussion more interesting, not more comprehendible.
He is still going to have to explain how he got 520 CFM or more of air and 2000cc of fuel into the Renesis at only 7600 RPM.
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Old May 26, 2006 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by guitarjunkie28
define "fast" 7k is rediculously fast for a big block.
8k isn't even redline for the renny or s2k motors.
Well, if you think that's ridiculous, how about a 10.9 or 11.1 compression ratio on a non direct injection vehicle? Seriously, the gasoline world needs to get direct injection going in every aspect, not just the little 4 cylinders.
I probably haven't done enough research on that, but is anyone doing DI on anything other than 4 cylinders yet (non diesel of course)?

Whoops.. we're back off topic..

I'd love to hear from scott on this one too.. 5psi/300hp would be totally awesome for this motor..
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Old May 26, 2006 | 01:40 PM
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Perhaps this is a fundamental question, but where is boost measured? Generally speaking, a NA engine runs with a negative gauge pressure in the IM. I don't have a good value to estimate how much vacuum a WOT Ren generates at 7-8k rpm. Is boost measured directly after the compressor? How would that compare to a MAP sensor reading? And in a 5psi boost application, where is it 5 psi gauge?
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Old May 26, 2006 | 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Ajax
Well, if you think that's ridiculous, how about a 10.9 or 11.1 compression ratio on a non direct injection vehicle? Seriously, the gasoline world needs to get direct injection going in every aspect, not just the little 4 cylinders.
I probably haven't done enough research on that, but is anyone doing DI on anything other than 4 cylinders yet (non diesel of course)?
Yes Audi's RS4 V8 has DI, as does Lexus IS350's V6, and I think the new twin-turbo BMW 335i motor has it as well.

Please continue with topic.

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Old May 26, 2006 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by rotarygod
I was thinking anything over about 3K!

dissle bebe!!
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Old May 26, 2006 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by maxxdamigz
Perhaps this is a fundamental question, but where is boost measured? Generally speaking, a NA engine runs with a negative gauge pressure in the IM. I don't have a good value to estimate how much vacuum a WOT Ren generates at 7-8k rpm. Is boost measured directly after the compressor? How would that compare to a MAP sensor reading? And in a 5psi boost application, where is it 5 psi gauge?
Uh, I'm sure that would be manifold pressure at least! 5 PSI at the turbo outlet would only be 3.5 PSI or so at the IM.

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dissle bebe!!
Well, if they would perfect the CV transmission, that would be a good option.
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Old May 28, 2006 | 07:28 PM
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[QUOTE=MazdaManiac]No, its still on.

400 RWHP at 15 PSI? That is a PR of over 2.
What is the typical RWHP number on an FD at its stated 255 engine HP?

Do the math! You are still in fantasy land if you think an FD is going to put down 300 RWHP at a PR of 1.3. Hell, its OEM tuning is hotter than that and the RWHP is barely 2/3 of this claim.



I ride around in a FD that puts down over 300rwhp on a regular basis bro. And it is set up under 14psi.

Second note. I don't think that you have realized or atleast noted that other modifications have been made to Scott's test car. I know that n/a mods are small but Scott has gotten well over 200 rwhp on an n/a 8. So begin your scientific brake down from 200-210 not 180....big difference.


Edit: Yeah I know I jacked up the quote boxes.......

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Old May 28, 2006 | 11:02 PM
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Just give it up. I don't want to see more posts of math problems that have the wrong variables plugged into the proper formulas.
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Old May 29, 2006 | 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Ajax
Well, if you think that's ridiculous, how about a 10.9 or 11.1 compression ratio on a non direct injection vehicle? Seriously, the gasoline world needs to get direct injection going in every aspect, not just the little 4 cylinders.
I probably haven't done enough research on that, but is anyone doing DI on anything other than 4 cylinders yet (non diesel of course)?

Whoops.. we're back off topic..

I'd love to hear from scott on this one too.. 5psi/300hp would be totally awesome for this motor..
Actually, Mitsubishi is probably the leader in Direct Injection and has been using it (atleast in JDM) for quite some time now... and not just in 4 bangers.
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/cor...ent/e/gdi.html

http://media.mitsubishi-motors.com/p...detail443.html

http://www.autozine.org/technical_sc...ne/petrol1.htm
It has already applied GDI in different engines, from 1.5-litre four to 4.5-litre V8. Now most of its production engines are GDI-equipped.
Sorry for the thread jack. Back to your regularly scheduled turbo programming.
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Old May 29, 2006 | 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyingLeggs

I ride around in a FD that puts down over 300rwhp on a regular basis bro. And it is set up under 14psi.
Do you put down over 300 HP with 5 PSI?
Of course something under 14 PSI will do it. That isn't the point in question.
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Old May 29, 2006 | 09:37 PM
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On Scott's turbo I will.....
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Old May 29, 2006 | 09:55 PM
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is scott keeping the details of the turbo a secret, or do we get to know the specs?
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Old May 29, 2006 | 11:42 PM
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Does Scott control the SSV and VDI and APV valves with the InterceptorX?
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Old May 29, 2006 | 11:48 PM
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Does Scott control the SSV and VDI and APV valves with the InterceptorX?
pretty sure he does.

beers
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