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Old 12-23-2007, 10:18 PM
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this must be the dyno we were supposed to see about a year ago - I suppose good things take time .....
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WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO US SCOTT, WHY !?

You just made most of us to forget about our daily life so that we can save our money up, just to try to get our hands on your Turbo Kit ...

WHY SCOTT WHY !?
Old 12-23-2007, 10:51 PM
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Awesome Scott!

That graph is wikked smooth. (No I am not from the east coast meh!)

I am hoping I can post my results with a slightly less restrictive exhaust Thursday or Friday.
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amazing. This is awesome. That curve looks amazingly smooth as well. Congrats to Scott and whoevers car that is lol
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495 for ignition upgrade??
Will this only work with the interceptor?
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no it will work with any ems in the rx8
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Old 12-24-2007, 11:35 AM
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Does this meet the requirements to be posted in the dyno compilation? if so, let's get this bad boy on there!
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I'm sure it'll be added. But given that it's close to xmas, I would not expect it to be immediately posted.
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Nice job.
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Nice #s
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Very, very impressive. 400rwhp within sight - awesome.

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Nice!

Congratulations Scott
Old 12-25-2007, 05:30 AM
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interesting indeed, I might as well save up another 4k for the stage 2 air to liquid though.......but then again, insanity = taj
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Looking at the dyno chart that car must pull you back into your seat. Scott did you happen to dyno the car with both the oem ignition and your ignition solution
Old 12-26-2007, 12:25 AM
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i think that was the point. scott was hitting a hp wall due to the oe ignition. he built an upgraded solution, and now he has gone past that wall.
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Congrats on those numbers. Since the ignition solution is not yet posted on the website, how much $$ are we talking here??
Old 12-26-2007, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by morkusyambo
Congrats on those numbers. Since the ignition solution is not yet posted on the website, how much $$ are we talking here??
I listed above what I was told via a PM, but that was a pre-release price. Shoot them and E-mail from the website to get an updated price.
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I will do that sir.
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before everyone gets all excited on the "smoothness"... whats the dyno software smoothing factor set at?
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Originally Posted by PRL 84U
Does this meet the requirements to be posted in the dyno compilation? if so, let's get this bad boy on there!
Its up.

Originally Posted by BDC
Btw, what leading advance and trail-split? On the 10:1 motor with 13psi, if it truly was 13psi and not 14-15, I would recommend a 13-14* lead advance with a 9-11* split.
That is too much timing at the torque peak on this motor. Maybe at fuel cut, but at the torque peak the leading needs to be in the 7° - 9° range with a 15° split on pump gas. (For sure on the west coast. In FL, you might eek out 1° or 2°.)

Knowing Scott's MAPs from his Int-X, its likely he is running even less timing that that.
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Its up.



That is too much timing at the torque peak on this motor. Maybe at fuel cut, but at the torque peak the leading needs to be in the 7° - 9° range with a 15° split on pump gas. (For sure on the west coast. In FL, you might eek out 1° or 2°.)

Knowing Scott's MAPs from his Int-X, its likely he is running even less timing that that.
No it's not; not for 13psi of boost on this 10:1 motor. Running the leading at 7-9* at "torque peak" and above will have a decided power loss and very high EGT's. And a 15* split will yield little to no benefit from having a trailing plug since the split is too tall. I've dealt with engines that have gobs more VE and overlap that run just under these posted figures on the same fuel.

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I find it interesting that your turbo bridgeported engines run MORE timing than a stock or streetport!!! That is completely counter intuitive yet works beautifully.
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EGTs are unaffected by that retard. The nominal EGT at the turbo inlet at the torque peak is pretty low to begin with (for a rotary motor, at least) in the 1600°F range.

The Renesis is even more sensitive to split than it is timing advance. At the threshold of detonation, 2° or 3° of additional split has more effect than the same amount of leading retard.

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I find it interesting that your turbo bridgeported engines run MORE timing than a stock or streetport!!! That is completely counter intuitive yet works beautifully.
This is because of the "EGR" effect.
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
EGTs are unaffected by that retard. The nominal EGT at the turbo inlet at the torque peak is pretty low to begin with (for a rotary motor, at least) in the 1600°F range.

The Renesis is even more sensitive to split than it is timing advance. At the threshold of detonation, 2° or 3° of additional split has more effect than the same amount of leading retard.



This is because of the "EGR" effect.
It is my understanding that Timing retard does cause an effect on the EGT's. You are causing more of the combustion to occur outside the engine so more of the fuel is burned in the exhaust. I've seen this on a EGT gage while playing with timing. It isn't a 400deg difference but it is noticeable. This is, of course, unless it is caused by something else and it is coincidental.

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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
EGTs are unaffected by that retard.
Have you even done spark advance tuning Jeff? Ever spent the hours on the dyno playing with this stuff over the years? A reading of EGT's is the primary determining factor when making timing changes because it's the figure that changes when you fire spark earlier or later! It's what tells you when you're marching in the right or wrong direction! The difference between 7-9* and 13* yields a substantial change in EGT!

Here, let me give you an example of what I know I'm talking about: http://bdc.cyberosity.com/v/ProjectC...ontrol/Videos/

The nominal EGT at the turbo inlet at the torque peak is pretty low to begin with (for a rotary motor, at least) in the 1600°F range.
You call that low??!

The Renesis is even more sensitive to split than it is timing advance. At the threshold of detonation, 2° or 3° of additional split has more effect than the same amount of leading retard.
Having too little split wouldn't cause detonation. It would cause pre-ignition.

This is because of the "EGR" effect.
Riiiiight.

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