Esmeril Turbo Kit Dyno & Review
05-28-2008, 06:34 PM
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i spoke to my tuner and he should be giving u a call soon chris... or maybe he already has?
anyways, i bought the greddy profec b spec 2 boost controller and i stuck that baby in the plastic part in the middle stereo console but cutting it out. i'll go take a picture of it cuz it's hot lol (i hope i'm the first to do this... but probably not -_-;
anyways, i bought the greddy profec b spec 2 boost controller and i stuck that baby in the plastic part in the middle stereo console but cutting it out. i'll go take a picture of it cuz it's hot lol (i hope i'm the first to do this... but probably not -_-;
05-28-2008, 08:43 PM
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This thread now should be locked to all but 3 people
flyboy1121 as he is the OP, Chris as he will be posting plots and dynos. ...real soon! (Like that's gonna happen
)
And me, because I will be extending my apologies, when he proved his acclaimed 12PSI at 3500 rpm produced with this chunk of iron of a turbo.
Back to the tread though:
Flyboy, I am curious to see how you installed that Profec? Sounds like it's gonna look good.
flyboy1121 as he is the OP, Chris as he will be posting plots and dynos. ...real soon! (Like that's gonna happen
)And me, because I will be extending my apologies, when he proved his acclaimed 12PSI at 3500 rpm produced with this chunk of iron of a turbo.
Back to the tread though:
Flyboy, I am curious to see how you installed that Profec? Sounds like it's gonna look good.
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05-28-2008, 11:19 PM
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this is a forum and at no point if esmeril wants to sell kits should this thread be locked to only 3 people, we all wanna see the proof that he said he was gonna show us a long time ago
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I installed the greddy profec boost controller and my apexi turbo timer in the ashtray. Took out the actual ashtray and put them in there. With some double sided stick p[ads and they dont move and I can close the tray if I dont feel like seeing them Looks pretty sweet
Looks pretty sweet
05-29-2008, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisRX8PR
06-12-2007, 04:04 PM ChrisRX8PR:
Just an update. No details will be given until all is proven and hard number are aquired with written evidence(ie Dyno sheets :D). The kit has been upgraded, a new more efficient manifold has been made using our jig and the intake to the turbo has been changed to accomodate all the factory hoses etc. Its going solid and soon we will post more information. Thanks.
08-23-2007, 02:01 AM ChrisRX8PR:
I want to make sure everyone reads the description on the website of that dyno sheet to avoid confusion. The dyno pickup burned out halfway through the run and the owners had to order a new one so it..
08-23-2007, 02:26 AM ChrisRX8PR:
Well actually the boost curve isn't on that dyno sheet so we shouldn't assume that boost took that long to increase. Again, I didn't step on the gas until above 4000rpm because I wasn't interested...
08-23-2007, 02:36 AM ChrisRX8PR:
Good point. I am trying to schedule some time at the dyno that works for all of us. I'll make sure and record a run in that range so people can have an idea of what to expect.
We really like how...
08-23-2007, 02:59 AM ChrisRX8PR:
I totally understand that. Two things to note are that on the dyno sheet my curve is like a shelve from about 5 on up and I can state that it doesnt die until about 8500rpm. Considering I didnt...
08-23-2007, 08:10 AM ChrisRX8PR:
Sure thing. This should happen sometime over the next few weeks. We already tuned to perfection with the EMU. Now we will tune with an different EMS to see were we can get with that, we want to...
08-24-2007, 11:04 AM ChrisRX8PR:
Just as a reminder, that is a preliminary dyno sheet. The car wasnt floored until 4000rpm so that doesnt represent how the TQ curve would be if floored from say, 2000rpm. The pickup on the dyno we...
08-27-2007, 12:21 PM ChrisRX8PR:
New dyno is in the works we are currently in a tunning phase once it is completed we will be able to raise the boost to way higher levels.
08-28-2007, 08:18 AM ChrisRX8PR:
I totally understand what you are saying. The problem is that the sensor didnt just quit, it burned out and that put the dyno out until they got new parts. We took this oportunity to take the...
08-28-2007, 08:28 AM ChrisRX8PR:
Very true, the idea behind the video was to provide people with something more than pictures at a standstill. I understand that it in no way represents or substitutes a dyno sheet and we are not...
09-13-2007, 04:58 PM ChrisRX8PR:
We should have a full dyno sometime next week.
09-14-2007, 08:20 AM ChrisRX8PR:
Yes I will run the interceptor on the dyno. I will actually try to get one with each.
10-09-2007, 08:18 AM ChrisRX8PR:
No abandonment has occurred. We've just been working really hard on the Ignition upgrade so that when we post a dyno number it isnt just a little above the other kits. Instead we want it to be a...
11-05-2007, 08:26 AM ChrisRX8PR:
Our turbo kit can put you in a number of leagues depending on how far you wish to go. As it comes out of the box you will probably run a low 13sec quarter mile, will be able to outrun an M3, a C5...
11-05-2007, 03:59 PM ChrisRX8PR:
I have actually ran the car at 18psi, and it feels awesome......at least 116mph trap speed awesome....but there is a problem. With the stock ECU still in control of the drive-by-wire throttle we are...
11-11-2007, 12:33 PM ChrisRX8PR:
That dyno is of the kit out of the box but the RPM pickup was giving us trouble and it quit reading at 7200rpm. We were also dealing with the whole DSC,TC,ABS deal. We will post new dynos sheets at stock and higher boost soon but that should give you an idea.
11-12-2007, 08:16 AM ChrisRX8PR:
I was able to get marginal runs at and below 300whp but the stronger the engine gets the more it wants to limit it. Now at 17psi it wont rev past 6000rpm on the dyno. I will see the Throttle body..
11-27-2007, 01:42 PM ChrisRX8PR:
Right now our black test car had the turbo removed so that we could make the jigs to replicate the changes for the rest of the kits. We will post a dyno of the local customers car if that is put...
11-28-2007, 12:15 PM ChrisRX8PR:
You can have 2-3psi at anything above 2500rpm anytime you step on the throttle and it grows gradually, depending on load, until full boost is reached. In the old dyno sheet, I didnt even floor the...
11-29-2007, 02:10 PM ChrisRX8PR:
Even if we post a dyno of a 400whp+ renesis, you still haven't seen one. You're just looking at a piece of paper that is believed to be a 400whp renesis. You still have to trust the person that...
12-07-2007, 05:20 PM ChrisRX8PR:
Just to let everyone know that a forum member started the install of his esmeril turbo kit today. It should be done by tomorrow night. He informed me that he would take lots of pictures and post his findings here on the forum. We will also dyno his car sometime over the next week or two with the kit as it comes out of the box with every trick(pulled fuse and whatnot) in order to be able to get a full dyno. We will post the dyno chart.
12-14-2007, 09:36 AM ChrisRX8PR:
The customer finished the install yesterday. We will dyno it as soon as possible. We do have to allow him to drive it for a little while to get accustomed with the car and for the turbo bearings to set in.
05-22-2008, 02:06 PM ChrisRX8PR:
We will have a dyno soon and that should take care of all this speculation.
Just an update. No details will be given until all is proven and hard number are aquired with written evidence(ie Dyno sheets :D). The kit has been upgraded, a new more efficient manifold has been made using our jig and the intake to the turbo has been changed to accomodate all the factory hoses etc. Its going solid and soon we will post more information. Thanks.
08-23-2007, 02:01 AM ChrisRX8PR:
I want to make sure everyone reads the description on the website of that dyno sheet to avoid confusion. The dyno pickup burned out halfway through the run and the owners had to order a new one so it..
08-23-2007, 02:26 AM ChrisRX8PR:
Well actually the boost curve isn't on that dyno sheet so we shouldn't assume that boost took that long to increase. Again, I didn't step on the gas until above 4000rpm because I wasn't interested...
08-23-2007, 02:36 AM ChrisRX8PR:
Good point. I am trying to schedule some time at the dyno that works for all of us. I'll make sure and record a run in that range so people can have an idea of what to expect.
We really like how...
08-23-2007, 02:59 AM ChrisRX8PR:
I totally understand that. Two things to note are that on the dyno sheet my curve is like a shelve from about 5 on up and I can state that it doesnt die until about 8500rpm. Considering I didnt...
08-23-2007, 08:10 AM ChrisRX8PR:
Sure thing. This should happen sometime over the next few weeks. We already tuned to perfection with the EMU. Now we will tune with an different EMS to see were we can get with that, we want to...
08-24-2007, 11:04 AM ChrisRX8PR:
Just as a reminder, that is a preliminary dyno sheet. The car wasnt floored until 4000rpm so that doesnt represent how the TQ curve would be if floored from say, 2000rpm. The pickup on the dyno we...
08-27-2007, 12:21 PM ChrisRX8PR:
New dyno is in the works we are currently in a tunning phase once it is completed we will be able to raise the boost to way higher levels.
08-28-2007, 08:18 AM ChrisRX8PR:
I totally understand what you are saying. The problem is that the sensor didnt just quit, it burned out and that put the dyno out until they got new parts. We took this oportunity to take the...
08-28-2007, 08:28 AM ChrisRX8PR:
Very true, the idea behind the video was to provide people with something more than pictures at a standstill. I understand that it in no way represents or substitutes a dyno sheet and we are not...
09-13-2007, 04:58 PM ChrisRX8PR:
We should have a full dyno sometime next week.
09-14-2007, 08:20 AM ChrisRX8PR:
Yes I will run the interceptor on the dyno. I will actually try to get one with each.
10-09-2007, 08:18 AM ChrisRX8PR:
No abandonment has occurred
. We've just been working really hard on the Ignition upgrade so that when we post a dyno number it isnt just a little above the other kits. Instead we want it to be a...11-05-2007, 08:26 AM ChrisRX8PR:
Our turbo kit can put you in a number of leagues depending on how far you wish to go. As it comes out of the box you will probably run a low 13sec quarter mile, will be able to outrun an M3, a C5...
11-05-2007, 03:59 PM ChrisRX8PR:
I have actually ran the car at 18psi, and it feels awesome......at least 116mph trap speed awesome....but there is a problem. With the stock ECU still in control of the drive-by-wire throttle we are...
11-11-2007, 12:33 PM ChrisRX8PR:
That dyno is of the kit out of the box but the RPM pickup was giving us trouble and it quit reading at 7200rpm. We were also dealing with the whole DSC,TC,ABS deal. We will post new dynos sheets at stock and higher boost soon but that should give you an idea.
11-12-2007, 08:16 AM ChrisRX8PR:
I was able to get marginal runs at and below 300whp but the stronger the engine gets the more it wants to limit it. Now at 17psi it wont rev past 6000rpm on the dyno. I will see the Throttle body..
11-27-2007, 01:42 PM ChrisRX8PR:
Right now our black test car had the turbo removed so that we could make the jigs to replicate the changes for the rest of the kits. We will post a dyno of the local customers car if that is put...
11-28-2007, 12:15 PM ChrisRX8PR:
You can have 2-3psi at anything above 2500rpm anytime you step on the throttle and it grows gradually, depending on load, until full boost is reached. In the old dyno sheet, I didnt even floor the...
11-29-2007, 02:10 PM ChrisRX8PR:
Even if we post a dyno of a 400whp+ renesis, you still haven't seen one. You're just looking at a piece of paper that is believed to be a 400whp renesis. You still have to trust the person that...
12-07-2007, 05:20 PM ChrisRX8PR:
Just to let everyone know that a forum member started the install of his esmeril turbo kit today. It should be done by tomorrow night. He informed me that he would take lots of pictures and post his findings here on the forum. We will also dyno his car sometime over the next week or two with the kit as it comes out of the box with every trick(pulled fuse and whatnot) in order to be able to get a full dyno. We will post the dyno chart.
12-14-2007, 09:36 AM ChrisRX8PR:
The customer finished the install yesterday. We will dyno it as soon as possible. We do have to allow him to drive it for a little while to get accustomed with the car and for the turbo bearings to set in.
05-22-2008, 02:06 PM ChrisRX8PR:
We will have a dyno soon and that should take care of all this speculation.
05-29-2008, 01:10 PM
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Wow! That must have taken considerable time and effort to piece together. I don't understand why all of a sudden everyone is on our case. The people that have bought the kit are happy with it and have no complains about us. I know it has been an ongoing issue to get a dyno but we have tried to explain as much as possible each reason that has prevented us from getting a run. Other vendors haven't posted boost plots, or dyno sheets that meet their claims either so what is different here. We are not talking about not posting a run but simply about not having had a chance to actually make a run. When it wasnt the ABS/TCS(lack of knowledge on dynoing techniques) it was the dyno that was down for a while(we don't have our own) and when that was fixed we ran into the issue with the ignition not being up to the task of handling the boost. Not to mention that for about 5 months of every year the car cannot be driven because we are in Minnesota and the fact that I work 8 hours a day in a medical device company. It was still snowing here and there until a month ago.
I totally understand everyone's concern about a dyno and plots etc. I want to get one as much as all of you do. All I can say is that I am working on it and I will post one as soon as I get one. I will also post a video of the car from inside so people can get a realistic idea of the boost characteristics of the engine.
Enough with the thread bashing. This is supposed to be a review thread, not one for this.
Thanks.
Chris
Wow! That must have taken considerable time and effort to piece together. I don't understand why all of a sudden everyone is on our case. The people that have bought the kit are happy with it and have no complains about us. I know it has been an ongoing issue to get a dyno but we have tried to explain as much as possible each reason that has prevented us from getting a run. Other vendors haven't posted boost plots, or dyno sheets that meet their claims either so what is different here. We are not talking about not posting a run but simply about not having had a chance to actually make a run. When it wasnt the ABS/TCS(lack of knowledge on dynoing techniques) it was the dyno that was down for a while(we don't have our own) and when that was fixed we ran into the issue with the ignition not being up to the task of handling the boost. Not to mention that for about 5 months of every year the car cannot be driven because we are in Minnesota and the fact that I work 8 hours a day in a medical device company. It was still snowing here and there until a month ago.
I totally understand everyone's concern about a dyno and plots etc. I want to get one as much as all of you do. All I can say is that I am working on it and I will post one as soon as I get one. I will also post a video of the car from inside so people can get a realistic idea of the boost characteristics of the engine.
Enough with the thread bashing. This is supposed to be a review thread, not one for this.
Thanks.
Chris
05-29-2008, 01:21 PM
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Other vendors either do not claim unrealistic boost curves, or if they say they spool fast, they present plenty of proof. Their customers made numerous videos showing sizable boost levels from low RPMs also. And HP and torque curves from 2000 or whatever and on...
I personally don't give a damn about your dyno. I know that it will make plenty of power, it is the acclaimed fast spool that I won't take your word for.
05-29-2008, 03:09 PM
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It seems as though he made it pretty clear that this thread is about the review of the turbo kit (hence the name of the thread) and not about your bashing...you don't have the kit and your not interested in one, move on.
Don't you have your own thread about you doing some turbo build, blowing your motor and then on top of it all, you offer a turbo kit and tuning services...
It seems you have plenty to worry about and I'm pretty sure it doesn't have anything to do with what's in this thread.
Why not let those that have the kit, do the review?
Don't you have your own thread about you doing some turbo build, blowing your motor and then on top of it all, you offer a turbo kit and tuning services...
It seems you have plenty to worry about and I'm pretty sure it doesn't have anything to do with what's in this thread.
Why not let those that have the kit, do the review?
05-29-2008, 03:21 PM
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It seems as though he made it pretty clear that this thread is about the review of the turbo kit (hence the name of the thread) and not about your bashing...you don't have the kit and your not interested in one, move on.
Don't you have your own thread about you doing some turbo build, blowing your motor and then on top of it all, you offer a turbo kit and tuning services...
It seems you have plenty to worry about and I'm pretty sure it doesn't have anything to do with what's in this thread.
Why not let those that have the kit, do the review?
Don't you have your own thread about you doing some turbo build, blowing your motor and then on top of it all, you offer a turbo kit and tuning services...
It seems you have plenty to worry about and I'm pretty sure it doesn't have anything to do with what's in this thread.
Why not let those that have the kit, do the review?
I am very interested in one.
I was asked by a potential local customer of mine to find all I can about this kit, because he happened to like it, but knows nothing about turbos, and asked me to thoroughly investigate it.
Does this now make it OK to question this kit's capabilities? Maybe anything I said is groundless?
On the other hand, who is stopping the owners from giving their reviews?
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05-29-2008, 03:49 PM
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Other vendors either do not claim unrealistic boost curves, or if they say they spool fast, they present plenty of proof. Their customers made numerous videos showing sizable boost levels from low RPMs also. And HP and torque curves from 2000 or whatever and on...
I personally don't give a damn about your dyno. I know that it will make plenty of power, it is the acclaimed fast spool that I won't take your word for.
Other vendors either do not claim unrealistic boost curves, or if they say they spool fast, they present plenty of proof. Their customers made numerous videos showing sizable boost levels from low RPMs also. And HP and torque curves from 2000 or whatever and on...
I personally don't give a damn about your dyno. I know that it will make plenty of power, it is the acclaimed fast spool that I won't take your word for.
Unfortunately my priority is a dyno since that is the official claim that is made by us on our website and numerous other places and that is what will ultimately matter most to most people from our experience with potential customers.
Putting a personal argument to rest about whether your manifold didn't spool a similar turbo until 5.5k rpm and exactly where ours spools isn't really my highest priority because all I care about is that customers are happy with the kit when they install it and the driveability it provides to them as customers. They can then relay to others their thoughts and feelings of how the kit behaves on a day to day basis if they wish to. I do understand your interest though and I will do my best to get video or something of the sort for you when I have the time to do so.
Thanks. Now lets get back on topic.
Chris
05-29-2008, 06:04 PM
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Chris, you are hopelss.
As much time as you spent here typing up excuses, you would have made and posted the damn plot and make everyone happy. And that not just involves me. But whatever. They are your customers. You don't have to prove anything, right?
As much time as you spent here typing up excuses, you would have made and posted the damn plot and make everyone happy. And that not just involves me. But whatever. They are your customers. You don't have to prove anything, right?
05-29-2008, 08:26 PM
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I am very interested in one.
I was asked by a potential local customer of mine to find all I can about this kit, because he happened to like it, but knows nothing about turbos, and asked me to thoroughly investigate it.
Does this now make it OK to question this kit's capabilities? Maybe anything I said is groundless?
On the other hand, who is stopping the owners from giving their reviews?
I was asked by a potential local customer of mine to find all I can about this kit, because he happened to like it, but knows nothing about turbos, and asked me to thoroughly investigate it.
Does this now make it OK to question this kit's capabilities? Maybe anything I said is groundless?
On the other hand, who is stopping the owners from giving their reviews?
...your obviously not the one interested in the kit, so you say that "your" customer is interested? Sure...o.k.
So this "customer" is asking you to do his due diligence, when you haven't got it right?
Nothing wrong with asking, although it's becoming borderline harassment. Although no worries, I see you have an agenda.
Carry on...
05-29-2008, 11:58 PM
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...your obviously not the one interested in the kit, so you say that "your" customer is interested? Sure...o.k.
So this "customer" is asking you to do his due diligence, when you haven't got it right?
Nothing wrong with asking, although it's becoming borderline harassment. Although no worries, I see you have an agenda.
Carry on...
So this "customer" is asking you to do his due diligence, when you haven't got it right?
Nothing wrong with asking, although it's becoming borderline harassment. Although no worries, I see you have an agenda.
Carry on...
I discovered that this particular turbo spools in a relatively lazy manner, and made my opinion heard in a thread which I found to be most relevant. Besides it is a review, isn't it? I agree It might have been better if I started a whole new one, yet I had no idea it will spin like this.
Back to the thread.
Flyboy,
Did you actually have to take apart the radio to do that, or you cut the panel from the outside? Can you post a bigger picture? It does look kinda cool.
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05-30-2008, 08:28 AM
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05-30-2008, 03:42 PM
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reccomend to anyone who hacks it up.... put 3 or so layers of painters/masking tape over the plastic, measure,/draw, and measure/draw again. if you mess up cutting its around $50 for a new one.
i cut it by drilling pilot holes and dremeling out the rest. just be carefull not to heat it up to much and melt it as you go
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