Esmeril Turbo Kit Dyno & Review
05-19-2008, 02:58 AM
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I wonder if a flash tuner can compensate for the position on the rx-8?
05-19-2008, 08:36 AM
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Is anyone upgrading the primary injectors with this kit? The OEM Primary injectors are 290cc and when you upgrade the Primary 2 injectors to 1000cc you have to remove the OEM 380cc injectors from those positions. I was just wondering if anyone was moving the 380cc Primary 2 injectors to the Primary positions and removing the OEM 290cc injectors? This would help with the primary injectors reaching a 100% duty cycle.
Chris
05-19-2008, 09:58 AM
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Just to clear things up a bit.
So far the kit has met its design goals. We advertise that is is capable of 400whp and we state at what psi it will do that, so far nobody has pushed it into that range(we will post a dyno soon, we've been working on testing other stuff on the car so we hadn't had a chance). We also state what range whp it will have at the "out of box" boost and at 12-13psi and so far these figures have been met.
Give it a little time fellows. The guy barely finished his install and he already got 300whp and without revving the engine or tunning the int-X completely(look at his AFR past 6500rpm :O). He'll get there, its just a matter of time!
Chris
So far the kit has met its design goals. We advertise that is is capable of 400whp and we state at what psi it will do that, so far nobody has pushed it into that range(we will post a dyno soon, we've been working on testing other stuff on the car so we hadn't had a chance). We also state what range whp it will have at the "out of box" boost and at 12-13psi and so far these figures have been met.
Give it a little time fellows. The guy barely finished his install and he already got 300whp and without revving the engine or tunning the int-X completely(look at his AFR past 6500rpm :O). He'll get there, its just a matter of time!
Chris
05-19-2008, 10:50 AM
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Chris....so what do we have to do for the fuel cut-off that is happening in his sheet? My tuner will be getting ready to do everything in a few days and I wanna be able to let him know bc it seems like it will most liekly happen to me as well.
05-19-2008, 11:01 AM
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There are two maps that will take care of most of the tunning. One is the idle map and the other one is further down and it maps ms(injector milliseconds) to RPM. The idle map will control the big set of injectors from 2psi up, this is where you would make adjustments to change the AFR's across the entire rpm range when under boost. The other map takes care of AFR'r changes relative to rpm. In his case Flyboi would need to adjust this map because he has good afr's until 6500rpm and then it goes rich. Messing with the boost map(idle) will not solve the issue because if he leans that out until he is where he wants to be after 6500rpm he will be too lean under 6500rpm. If he was rich or lean across the board but consistent relative to rpm then he would need to adjust the boost map.
If you or your tuner have any questions don't hesitate to call. The "Microtech" in the Int-X isn't setup like most Microtechs would be so most tuners will have to get used to it even if they have prior experience with Microtechs.
to flyboi: This made me think....your tuner might adjusting the "load" screen trying to tune the car and this is only controlling the primaries(normally this would control whatever big injectors you have) and that is the reason he is not being successful. The Int-X controls the big injectors from 2psiup in the idle map. The load map(and idle map under 2psi) control the primaries only. Again, tell your tuner to give me a call if this is too confusing and I'll explain over the phone.
Hope this helps,
Chris
05-19-2008, 01:41 PM
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05-19-2008, 08:32 PM
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i remeber asking for a dyno on this kit since i first heard about it. i waited and waited to put out my 6k....and was almost ready to do it then my car was totaled. i come back to these boards once and a while just to see how things are going and am glad i didnt buy this kit.
05-19-2008, 08:51 PM
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i'm not doing any tuning until i get the bhr radiator. (which was ordered today) Chris i'll give my tuner a call and relay the message and i'll also have him call you. (after 5 pm right? =])
05-19-2008, 08:55 PM
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i remeber asking for a dyno on this kit since i first heard about it. i waited and waited to put out my 6k....and was almost ready to do it then my car was totaled. i come back to these boards once and a while just to see how things are going and am glad i didnt buy this kit.
05-19-2008, 10:33 PM
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STATED IN THEIR HOMEPAGE.....
SPARK BLOW OUT OCCURS AT ANYTHIN ABOVE what is it 13 PSI?? So....all that is waiting is the ignition upgrade.
This is directed to RICKY
SPARK BLOW OUT OCCURS AT ANYTHIN ABOVE what is it 13 PSI?? So....all that is waiting is the ignition upgrade.
This is directed to RICKY
05-20-2008, 07:45 AM
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Great to see the Esmeril kit getting into more cars. We need more FI RX8s!
I love the way this kit looks, the only dealbreaker for me is that it doesn't work well with the accessport due to the blow-through setup (yet). If it did, I'd be all over it...
I love the way this kit looks, the only dealbreaker for me is that it doesn't work well with the accessport due to the blow-through setup (yet). If it did, I'd be all over it...
05-20-2008, 08:05 AM
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either way if your looking to utilize the maximum hp that the kit can produce you should look at upgrading your coils.
Im sure rays coils will be out soon if your looking for a good product thats going to be about 50% off what else is out there.
I have the mazsports and they work well also.
05-20-2008, 08:41 AM
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Interesting.
Deep in the back of my mind I was thinking that it may be that the turbo wasn't spooling well enough on mine, because of where it was, but now all the doubt is gone. this dyno and the power curve explains everything. It is great that it gets all the boost at 6K (for a track) but on a DD car, having sacrificed 1/2 of the usable RPM range makes the car plain boring. And I am not bashing the kit. Chris did an exellent job on engineering all the components. It is the choice of the turbo.
I am just speaking of my own experience having had the same exact turbocharger installed on my car. I drove with it for about a month, and took it off in favor of a different (smaller turbo), due to the lack of responsiveness.
You can argue my point all you want, but you have no clue what you are missing until you have experienced with your own behind the stunning difference and the fun factor, of driving the car with a turbo that is capable of reaching the full boost under 4K RPM and one that reaches it but 5.5K or even later.
Just food for thoughts.
Jeff, I suddenly feel like getting a cold. I need some of that Tylenol
Deep in the back of my mind I was thinking that it may be that the turbo wasn't spooling well enough on mine, because of where it was, but now all the doubt is gone. this dyno and the power curve explains everything. It is great that it gets all the boost at 6K (for a track) but on a DD car, having sacrificed 1/2 of the usable RPM range makes the car plain boring. And I am not bashing the kit. Chris did an exellent job on engineering all the components. It is the choice of the turbo.
I am just speaking of my own experience having had the same exact turbocharger installed on my car. I drove with it for about a month, and took it off in favor of a different (smaller turbo), due to the lack of responsiveness.
You can argue my point all you want, but you have no clue what you are missing until you have experienced with your own behind the stunning difference and the fun factor, of driving the car with a turbo that is capable of reaching the full boost under 4K RPM and one that reaches it but 5.5K or even later.
Just food for thoughts.
Jeff, I suddenly feel like getting a cold. I need some of that Tylenol
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05-20-2008, 10:07 AM
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This is actually a very good idea and its definitely an option. It is not necessary however and the primaries are pretty difficult to get to(not impossible just hard) so we didn't include it in the instruction. You'd just modify the entire load map down by about 25% and that should put you in the ball park for this change.
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Chris...I relayed that option to my tuner. He is going to replace the 290's with the 380's. Think this will benefit in the long run with increasing horsepower. Or, am I just wasting time?
05-20-2008, 10:37 AM
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Finally Boosted!!!!!!!
It's not so much about the power that can be produced. Its more about better atomization of the fuel and a lower injector duty cycle below 2psi.
05-20-2008, 11:30 AM
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Interesting.
Deep in the back of my mind I was thinking that it may be that the turbo wasn't spooling well enough on mine, because of where it was, but now all the doubt is gone. this dyno and the power curve explains everything. It is great that it gets all the boost at 6K (for a track) but on a DD car, having sacrificed 1/2 of the usable RPM range makes the car plain boring. And I am not bashing the kit. Chris did an exellent job on engineering all the components. It is the choice of the turbo.
I am just speaking of my own experience having had the same exact turbocharger installed on my car. I drove with it for about a month, and took it off in favor of a different (smaller turbo), due to the lack of responsiveness.
You can argue my point all you want, but you have no clue what you are missing until you have experienced with your own behind the stunning difference and the fun factor, of driving the car with a turbo that is capable of reaching the full boost under 4K RPM and one that reaches it but 5.5K or even later.
Just food for thoughts.
Jeff, I suddenly feel like getting a cold. I need some of that Tylenol
Deep in the back of my mind I was thinking that it may be that the turbo wasn't spooling well enough on mine, because of where it was, but now all the doubt is gone. this dyno and the power curve explains everything. It is great that it gets all the boost at 6K (for a track) but on a DD car, having sacrificed 1/2 of the usable RPM range makes the car plain boring. And I am not bashing the kit. Chris did an exellent job on engineering all the components. It is the choice of the turbo.
I am just speaking of my own experience having had the same exact turbocharger installed on my car. I drove with it for about a month, and took it off in favor of a different (smaller turbo), due to the lack of responsiveness.
You can argue my point all you want, but you have no clue what you are missing until you have experienced with your own behind the stunning difference and the fun factor, of driving the car with a turbo that is capable of reaching the full boost under 4K RPM and one that reaches it but 5.5K or even later.
Just food for thoughts.
Jeff, I suddenly feel like getting a cold. I need some of that Tylenol
Our kit spools at anything above 3000rpm. You even get a 1 or 2 psi from below 2500rpm. Remember that the dyno only shows the boost curve from the point the engine was floored. This dyno doesn't even show anything before 4k rpm.
From looking at the AFR graph I can tell you it wasn't floored until around 4200rpm and by 4500rpm it was at full boost(look at the AFR curve, they drop rapidly with boost). Where is the lag?
The fact that you have boost at 2-3-4 or 5k rpm doesn't mean your torque curve will peak there. You can't go solely off the tq curve to determine where the boost came in, it will still be affected by volumetric efficiency throughout the rpm range. You might have full boost at say 3500rpm and that will show on the tq curve but it might still ramp up gradually to where it peaks due to engine efficiency.
Just thought I would clear this up for the rest.
Chris
05-20-2008, 11:35 AM
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Interesting.
Deep in the back of my mind I was thinking that it may be that the turbo wasn't spooling well enough on mine, because of where it was, but now all the doubt is gone. this dyno and the power curve explains everything. It is great that it gets all the boost at 6K (for a track) but on a DD car, having sacrificed 1/2 of the usable RPM range makes the car plain boring. And I am not bashing the kit. Chris did an exellent job on engineering all the components. It is the choice of the turbo.
I am just speaking of my own experience having had the same exact turbocharger installed on my car. I drove with it for about a month, and took it off in favor of a different (smaller turbo), due to the lack of responsiveness.
You can argue my point all you want, but you have no clue what you are missing until you have experienced with your own behind the stunning difference and the fun factor, of driving the car with a turbo that is capable of reaching the full boost under 4K RPM and one that reaches it but 5.5K or even later.
Just food for thoughts.
Jeff, I suddenly feel like getting a cold. I need some of that Tylenol
Deep in the back of my mind I was thinking that it may be that the turbo wasn't spooling well enough on mine, because of where it was, but now all the doubt is gone. this dyno and the power curve explains everything. It is great that it gets all the boost at 6K (for a track) but on a DD car, having sacrificed 1/2 of the usable RPM range makes the car plain boring. And I am not bashing the kit. Chris did an exellent job on engineering all the components. It is the choice of the turbo.
I am just speaking of my own experience having had the same exact turbocharger installed on my car. I drove with it for about a month, and took it off in favor of a different (smaller turbo), due to the lack of responsiveness.
You can argue my point all you want, but you have no clue what you are missing until you have experienced with your own behind the stunning difference and the fun factor, of driving the car with a turbo that is capable of reaching the full boost under 4K RPM and one that reaches it but 5.5K or even later.
Just food for thoughts.
Jeff, I suddenly feel like getting a cold. I need some of that Tylenol
To me, it feels that i have the quick spool of what that greddy FI 8 owner had but with a harder kick and feel of the tq. Makes the car fun to drive, no?
Oh yea, guys, i'm driving the car like i stole it these days and i must say, my mpg is holding up much better than i thought lol. When i wasn't FI'd, i'd get about 220-240 miles til the gas light comes on with mixed driving and without WOT (cuz i had shot coils and plugs). Now i'm driving my car constantly in boost, giving friends a ride whipping it around. I still got 185 miles when the light came on. I'm curious to see... how my miles will be if i can resist boosting for a whole tank to compare LOL
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