Esmeril Turbo Kit Dyno & Review
05-17-2008, 07:43 PM
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Esmeril Turbo Kit Dyno & Review
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I first would like to apologize that I couldn't get the video uploaded... I couldn't get a digital camera for this trip so I used my camera phone but I exceeded 15 secs so now I cant' send it over to my email
Anyways, here are pictures of my engine bay, coils, and the dyno.
I bought the kit back in December but couldn't get around to installing it until about 2 weeks ago. The install was extremely tight and a pain because some areas were so tight but everything fit like a glove and the kit came with just about everything you need. Kit came with every bolt, nuts/screws, tape, clamps, and even written inside the pipes of which end was for which side. Directions were good although some of the pictures were hard to tell due to the black and white, but no biggy there.
The exhaust manifold came pre-built and my first impression was "WOW, that's a BIG turbo!" lol. Examining the wastegate, my tuner took out the 15lb spring and the 10lb pring and left the 5lb spring in there to let the boost controller do the work.
Well after about 7 hours of playing with the parts and fitting everything in, my msd coils didn't come in yet so we ran it with my new stock coils + 4 new trailing oem plugs w/ shims. Sadly... his dyno wasn't working so he uploaded the map that the guys at esmeril loaded and told me not to full throttle and to stay below 6k rpm and he set the turbo at it's laziest... 3 psi? lol. (such a tease to drive around for 2 weeks this way)
Well I got back today and installed the msd's and put a relay in so that the int-x would stop drawing from my battery with my car off and now i don't have to jump start my car every morning lol. (don't worry guys, only myself and one other customer had issues with this)
We started pulling with just the spring pressure of the wastegate (expecting about 5psi) but it ran about 210 whp at 2 psi lol. We tried cranking it with the boost controller but it wouldn't pass 8psi with that 5lb spring in the wastegate. I was dynoing about 270'swhp @ 8psi, then we lifted the car and put back in the 10lb spring along with keeping the 5lb spring in there. (guys who are planning to install this kit, keep these 2 springs in there, saves u time lol).
We did another spring pull now with the 2 springs in there and ran a base boost of 10psi. Ran 295whp with 258 tq @ 10 psi with it running still rich. We were excited to break 300whp leaning it out but as soon as we did, the car just cut us off as you can see in the graph.
According to my tuner, the injectors aren't big enough and microtech was reading the injectors to be running beyond 110%. The oem trailing spark plugs seem to be holding up well with the msd's but i'm gonna order colder plugs with bigger injectors and try again.
We set the car richer @ 10 psi again as you can see on the dynorun 18.
I believe this was the same issue the guys at esmeril was having when the car just cuts off at 6500 rpm.
My tuner says the kit runs incredibly smooth and strong and feels that the kit can run safely @ 15psi at around 380whp or so.
I ordered the bhr radiator and will look into bigger injectors and colder plugs... and to be continued....
As for the drive home, the transition was incredibly smooth and it spools up so fast. My car toned down nicely and it sounds amazing. I was cruising home at 75 mph on 6th gear and the car just goes~!
Without the turbo kit, I was dropping about 196whp with Aem cai, rp midpipe, greddy exhaust, agency power pulleys, act prolite flywheel, and n/a int-x.
Now I sold the aem cai and added the act hdds clutch, msd coils + 3 pin connectors, greddy oil catch can, turbo blanket, and 4 oem trailing plugs.
Thanks to Charles R. Hill for his awesome service, parts, and advice. The great customer service from Jason and Chris. And of course Dave @ KDR for his hard work.
Overall the kit is awesome... you open the hood and BAM it's in your face and it looks great. It performs wonderfully out of the box, but the potential is there guys. I'm very happy with it and I'm enjoying whipping it around for now with 300 whp @ 6750 rpm, I look forward to taking her up higher in the rpm and 350whp+ for sure!
I first would like to apologize that I couldn't get the video uploaded... I couldn't get a digital camera for this trip so I used my camera phone but I exceeded 15 secs so now I cant' send it over to my email
Anyways, here are pictures of my engine bay, coils, and the dyno.
I bought the kit back in December but couldn't get around to installing it until about 2 weeks ago. The install was extremely tight and a pain because some areas were so tight but everything fit like a glove and the kit came with just about everything you need. Kit came with every bolt, nuts/screws, tape, clamps, and even written inside the pipes of which end was for which side. Directions were good although some of the pictures were hard to tell due to the black and white, but no biggy there.
The exhaust manifold came pre-built and my first impression was "WOW, that's a BIG turbo!" lol. Examining the wastegate, my tuner took out the 15lb spring and the 10lb pring and left the 5lb spring in there to let the boost controller do the work.
Well after about 7 hours of playing with the parts and fitting everything in, my msd coils didn't come in yet so we ran it with my new stock coils + 4 new trailing oem plugs w/ shims. Sadly... his dyno wasn't working so he uploaded the map that the guys at esmeril loaded and told me not to full throttle and to stay below 6k rpm and he set the turbo at it's laziest... 3 psi? lol. (such a tease to drive around for 2 weeks this way)
Well I got back today and installed the msd's and put a relay in so that the int-x would stop drawing from my battery with my car off and now i don't have to jump start my car every morning lol. (don't worry guys, only myself and one other customer had issues with this)
We started pulling with just the spring pressure of the wastegate (expecting about 5psi) but it ran about 210 whp at 2 psi lol. We tried cranking it with the boost controller but it wouldn't pass 8psi with that 5lb spring in the wastegate. I was dynoing about 270'swhp @ 8psi, then we lifted the car and put back in the 10lb spring along with keeping the 5lb spring in there. (guys who are planning to install this kit, keep these 2 springs in there, saves u time lol).
We did another spring pull now with the 2 springs in there and ran a base boost of 10psi. Ran 295whp with 258 tq @ 10 psi with it running still rich. We were excited to break 300whp leaning it out but as soon as we did, the car just cut us off as you can see in the graph.
According to my tuner, the injectors aren't big enough and microtech was reading the injectors to be running beyond 110%. The oem trailing spark plugs seem to be holding up well with the msd's but i'm gonna order colder plugs with bigger injectors and try again.
We set the car richer @ 10 psi again as you can see on the dynorun 18.
I believe this was the same issue the guys at esmeril was having when the car just cuts off at 6500 rpm.
My tuner says the kit runs incredibly smooth and strong and feels that the kit can run safely @ 15psi at around 380whp or so.
I ordered the bhr radiator and will look into bigger injectors and colder plugs... and to be continued....
As for the drive home, the transition was incredibly smooth and it spools up so fast. My car toned down nicely and it sounds amazing. I was cruising home at 75 mph on 6th gear and the car just goes~!
Without the turbo kit, I was dropping about 196whp with Aem cai, rp midpipe, greddy exhaust, agency power pulleys, act prolite flywheel, and n/a int-x.
Now I sold the aem cai and added the act hdds clutch, msd coils + 3 pin connectors, greddy oil catch can, turbo blanket, and 4 oem trailing plugs.
Thanks to Charles R. Hill for his awesome service, parts, and advice. The great customer service from Jason and Chris. And of course Dave @ KDR for his hard work.
Overall the kit is awesome... you open the hood and BAM it's in your face and it looks great. It performs wonderfully out of the box, but the potential is there guys. I'm very happy with it and I'm enjoying whipping it around for now with 300 whp @ 6750 rpm, I look forward to taking her up higher in the rpm and 350whp+ for sure!
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05-17-2008, 08:42 PM
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Nice write-up. The engine bay looks aggressive ad cant wait for the bigger pics. Im going FI soon and just awaiting the install. Good luck with and happy tuning. Do you plan on extending to a true CAI? Keep us poted
05-17-2008, 08:53 PM
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05-18-2008, 02:30 AM
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Congrats Flyboi!!!
You should give me a call and we can talk about the cutout it does past 6-7000 rpm. This has to do with your DSC.TCS.ABS issue. Its happened to me at least a dozen times. I can explain possible solutions to this. It only seems to start happening after the first few runs on the dyno without taking the car off.
The injectors included in the kit are big enough to keep the car rich until slightly past 400whp. The reading your tuner is talking about is not accurate on the 8 because of the way injectors are staged, i believe its only displaying the duty cycle of the primaries which get to their max very quickly. Explain this to your tuner....its actually very easy to calculate the actual duty cycle, call me if you need me to explain.
Also, the maps as we include them w the kits are very conservative to prevent people that will not do tuning from having problems if the car boost higher than usual. They are very rich, this could be causing the breakup issue (I just noticed that this is what it looks like from looking at your AFR map after 6500rpm). There is a map that you can modify to adjust fuel based on RPM.
Again, Congratulations and give me a call so we can sort these issues out
Chris
You should give me a call and we can talk about the cutout it does past 6-7000 rpm. This has to do with your DSC.TCS.ABS issue. Its happened to me at least a dozen times. I can explain possible solutions to this. It only seems to start happening after the first few runs on the dyno without taking the car off.
The injectors included in the kit are big enough to keep the car rich until slightly past 400whp. The reading your tuner is talking about is not accurate on the 8 because of the way injectors are staged, i believe its only displaying the duty cycle of the primaries which get to their max very quickly. Explain this to your tuner....its actually very easy to calculate the actual duty cycle, call me if you need me to explain.
Also, the maps as we include them w the kits are very conservative to prevent people that will not do tuning from having problems if the car boost higher than usual. They are very rich, this could be causing the breakup issue (I just noticed that this is what it looks like from looking at your AFR map after 6500rpm). There is a map that you can modify to adjust fuel based on RPM.
Again, Congratulations and give me a call so we can sort these issues out
Chris
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05-18-2008, 11:11 AM
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Finally Boosted!!!!!!!
Is anyone upgrading the primary injectors with this kit? The OEM Primary injectors are 290cc and when you upgrade the Primary 2 injectors to 1000cc you have to remove the OEM 380cc injectors from those positions. I was just wondering if anyone was moving the 380cc Primary 2 injectors to the Primary positions and removing the OEM 290cc injectors? This would help with the primary injectors reaching a 100% duty cycle.
05-18-2008, 11:23 AM
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Is anyone upgrading the primary injectors with this kit? The OEM Primary injectors are 290cc and when you upgrade the Primary 2 injectors to 1000cc you have to remove the OEM 380cc injectors from those positions. I was just wondering if anyone was moving the 380cc Primary 2 injectors to the Primary positions and removing the OEM 290cc injectors? This would help with the primary injectors reaching a 100% duty cycle.
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Why is this such a secret.....have him post in here in case I/others have the same issue and we donthave to call and bother him.....seems redudnant for people to keep calling....
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need help chris
Congrats Flyboi!!!
You should give me a call and we can talk about the cutout it does past 6-7000 rpm. This has to do with your DSC.TCS.ABS issue. Its happened to me at least a dozen times. I can explain possible solutions to this. It only seems to start happening after the first few runs on the dyno without taking the car off.
The injectors included in the kit are big enough to keep the car rich until slightly past 400whp. The reading your tuner is talking about is not accurate on the 8 because of the way injectors are staged, i believe its only displaying the duty cycle of the primaries which get to their max very quickly. Explain this to your tuner....its actually very easy to calculate the actual duty cycle, call me if you need me to explain.
Also, the maps as we include them w the kits are very conservative to prevent people that will not do tuning from having problems if the car boost higher than usual. They are very rich, this could be causing the breakup issue (I just noticed that this is what it looks like from looking at your AFR map after 6500rpm). There is a map that you can modify to adjust fuel based on RPM.
Again, Congratulations and give me a call so we can sort these issues out
Chris
You should give me a call and we can talk about the cutout it does past 6-7000 rpm. This has to do with your DSC.TCS.ABS issue. Its happened to me at least a dozen times. I can explain possible solutions to this. It only seems to start happening after the first few runs on the dyno without taking the car off.
The injectors included in the kit are big enough to keep the car rich until slightly past 400whp. The reading your tuner is talking about is not accurate on the 8 because of the way injectors are staged, i believe its only displaying the duty cycle of the primaries which get to their max very quickly. Explain this to your tuner....its actually very easy to calculate the actual duty cycle, call me if you need me to explain.
Also, the maps as we include them w the kits are very conservative to prevent people that will not do tuning from having problems if the car boost higher than usual. They are very rich, this could be causing the breakup issue (I just noticed that this is what it looks like from looking at your AFR map after 6500rpm). There is a map that you can modify to adjust fuel based on RPM.
Again, Congratulations and give me a call so we can sort these issues out
Chris
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need help chris
Congrats Flyboi!!!
You should give me a call and we can talk about the cutout it does past 6-7000 rpm. This has to do with your DSC.TCS.ABS issue. Its happened to me at least a dozen times. I can explain possible solutions to this. It only seems to start happening after the first few runs on the dyno without taking the car off.
The injectors included in the kit are big enough to keep the car rich until slightly past 400whp. The reading your tuner is talking about is not accurate on the 8 because of the way injectors are staged, i believe its only displaying the duty cycle of the primaries which get to their max very quickly. Explain this to your tuner....its actually very easy to calculate the actual duty cycle, call me if you need me to explain.
Also, the maps as we include them w the kits are very conservative to prevent people that will not do tuning from having problems if the car boost higher than usual. They are very rich, this could be causing the breakup issue (I just noticed that this is what it looks like from looking at your AFR map after 6500rpm). There is a map that you can modify to adjust fuel based on RPM.
Again, Congratulations and give me a call so we can sort these issues out
Chris
You should give me a call and we can talk about the cutout it does past 6-7000 rpm. This has to do with your DSC.TCS.ABS issue. Its happened to me at least a dozen times. I can explain possible solutions to this. It only seems to start happening after the first few runs on the dyno without taking the car off.
The injectors included in the kit are big enough to keep the car rich until slightly past 400whp. The reading your tuner is talking about is not accurate on the 8 because of the way injectors are staged, i believe its only displaying the duty cycle of the primaries which get to their max very quickly. Explain this to your tuner....its actually very easy to calculate the actual duty cycle, call me if you need me to explain.
Also, the maps as we include them w the kits are very conservative to prevent people that will not do tuning from having problems if the car boost higher than usual. They are very rich, this could be causing the breakup issue (I just noticed that this is what it looks like from looking at your AFR map after 6500rpm). There is a map that you can modify to adjust fuel based on RPM.
Again, Congratulations and give me a call so we can sort these issues out
Chris
05-18-2008, 05:09 PM
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does not HAVE TO BE run with an Int-X but it was designed with that in mind. MM has talked about tuning it with an AccessPort but it'll be a bit trickier due to Maf location.
think map vs maf tuning.
think map vs maf tuning.