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Old Dec 20, 2008 | 09:27 PM
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he appears to be running alky injection according to that container in the wiper fluid location, though i don't see it hooked up.
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Old Dec 21, 2008 | 10:40 AM
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Well car "was" running fine. Went to star her up this morning, Car through a cel, Maf input to high, pegged out @ 5v, Now I can't idle. My maf readings g/s and AFRs are all over the place, car bogs down & bucks when accelerating from overly rich conditions, this F*&cking sucks. Will try a couple more things before I opt for the EMU or Intercepor X

All suggestions and advice are welcome please!
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Old Dec 21, 2008 | 12:04 PM
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if it "was " running fine and now it's not , i would suspect that extension wireing to the maf or even the plug itself ...
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Old Dec 21, 2008 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Derex'8
Well car "was" running fine. Went to star her up this morning, Car through a cel, Maf input to high, pegged out @ 5v, Now I can't idle. My maf readings g/s and AFRs are all over the place, car bogs down & bucks when accelerating from overly rich conditions, this F*&cking sucks. Will try a couple more things before I opt for the EMU or Intercepor X

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That is a wiring failure, not the EMS.
Moving to a different EMS will retain the problem.
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Old Dec 21, 2008 | 01:17 PM
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Well let me check the MAF then
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Old Dec 21, 2008 | 05:08 PM
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Well cleaned, inspected, and reinstalled maf and still getting error and maf voltage is still pegged out @ 5v. Does this mean I need a whole new maf & wiring harness?

Does either the emanage or Interceptor X need a working MAF to operate?
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Old Dec 21, 2008 | 05:12 PM
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e-Manage does - Int-X does not.
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Old Dec 21, 2008 | 05:14 PM
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Well cleaned, inspected, and reinstalled maf and still getting error and maf voltage is still pegged out @ 5v. Does this mean I need a whole new maf & wiring harness?
No. It just means you messed up the MAF wiring somewhere and it failed when the motor cooled down.
Is it pegged when the motor is not running?
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Old Dec 21, 2008 | 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Derex'8
Well cleaned, inspected, and reinstalled maf and still getting error and maf voltage is still pegged out @ 5v. Does this mean I need a whole new maf & wiring harness?

Does either the emanage or Interceptor X need a working MAF to operate?
bummer
If it were me, I would repair the MAF before resorting to the INT-x as a workaround solution
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Old Dec 21, 2008 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 05rex8
bummer
If it were me, I would repair the MAF before resorting to the INT-x as a workaround solution
Especially since the car will run like sh*t by comparison.



(sorry - the beer is talking)
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Old Dec 21, 2008 | 05:22 PM
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BEER?!?!? I want some.

FWIW - I would only call the MAF set-up a "failure" if you are getting noisy data. IE; radically different values for the same cell; like when Dannobre or Tdiddy (I forget) had g/sec at idle jumping from 4-9 for no apparent reason... turbulence.

Even if it is WRONG as long as it is consistant - I am sure Jeff can make it right.

Right now it just sounds like it is broke...
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Old Dec 21, 2008 | 05:25 PM
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No. It just means you messed up the MAF wiring somewhere and it failed when the motor cooled down.
Is it pegged when the motor is not running?
Don't see how or where I could have messed it up but oh well. Yeah it's also pegged when not running.

Could the pull through design have caused the MAF to fail?
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Old Dec 21, 2008 | 05:33 PM
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Could the pull through design have caused the MAF to fail?
Nope. You have bad wiring.
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Old Dec 21, 2008 | 05:34 PM
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Especially since the car will run like sh*t by comparison.



(sorry - the beer is talking)
hahah...burn

the consumption of alcohol really reveals our true feelings on things

for example awhile back I had a bit too much Jägermeister and my friends told me I kept calling my ex-wife a bitch and a ***** and all that to her face. Now completely sober, I would've never called her that. Did I agree with what I called her in the first place? You bet.

So in conclusion, Jägermeister is the sh*t
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Old Dec 21, 2008 | 05:36 PM
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So I need to replace the wiring harness or the maf itself?

It look likes I'm still getting accurate MAF g/s readings.....
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Old Dec 21, 2008 | 05:53 PM
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^^^ Anyone?
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Old Dec 21, 2008 | 05:55 PM
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Old Dec 21, 2008 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Derex'8
So I need to replace the wiring harness or the maf itself?

It look likes I'm still getting accurate MAF g/s readings.....
this is not what you said earlier "pegged at 5v" . So which is it ?
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Old Dec 21, 2008 | 08:18 PM
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^^^ I'm getting pretty consistent and accurate MAF g/s readings. It is my MAF voltage that is wacked and pegged @ 5v.

After cleaning the maf my car ran much better but the voltage is still pegged

I'm going to check the wires for any cuts, if can't come up w/something then may have to run it by the shop...
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Old Dec 21, 2008 | 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Derex'8
^^^ I'm getting pretty consistent and accurate MAF g/s readings. It is my MAF voltage that is wacked and pegged @ 5v.

After cleaning the maf my car ran much better but the voltage is still pegged

I'm going to check the wires for any cuts, if can't come up w/something then may have to run it by the shop...
Your readings and voltage are the same thing..... something is up here and I don't know what it is.
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Old Dec 21, 2008 | 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Derex'8
^^^ I'm getting pretty consistent and accurate MAF g/s readings. It is my MAF voltage that is wacked and pegged @ 5v.
Huh? That isn't physically possible.
How are you getting this 5v reading? On the AP?
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 08:53 AM
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$120 just to check if MAF is in operating conditon and another 500-1000 for new harness, Haaaah!
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 12:20 PM
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$120 just to check if MAF is in operating conditon and another 500-1000 for new harness, Haaaah!
What the hell are you doing?

Just get out the multimeter and trace the signals.
The manual is free and, if you don't have a multimeter, you can get one for $7 at Radio Shack.
Even if you demolished your MAF, you can get a new one cheap and there is NO reason to EVER replace your harness.
Just find where you/the shop screwed up the MAF rewiring and fix it.

You have yet to answer some critical questions.
In the AP data view, is the voltage showing up as pegged? If so, is the MAF following the throttle?
You said that they were working out of sync.

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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 03:47 PM
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Well looks to be the MAF sensor itself is wacked as I'm getting -12.70v readings on all connectors on the maf connector harness side and 0 to -.01 readings on the maf itself.

Nothing shows up on the resistance to the MAF neither
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 04:54 PM
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Oh and yeah I'm seeing that volt reading on the AP also throwing a CEL. And I believe it is following the throttle will have to verify that
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