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Old Nov 27, 2008 | 09:21 PM
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You may have created a vacuum leak with swapping the fuel injectors. If they aren't seated in lower intake manifold properly that can leak and suck in air.

Swapping injectors is easier the third time, LOL. Popping off the fuel rail is simple with hand tools tho- just use a 3/8" ratchet with a 10" extension and 10mm socket to pop off the rail.

The Esmeril kit routes the charge pipes through the cutout in the front bumper area to the intercooler, so if you plan on putting a CAI there you need to redo the charge piping, which may lead to some convoluted pipes.
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Old Nov 28, 2008 | 07:53 AM
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^^^^^Yeah and I was extra cautious and took my time w/ the fuel injectors for this very exact reason..will give them a check agin tomorrow when I install the entire kit.

Still think it may have something to do w/that broken nipple on the purge solenoid valve as it also makes this sqeeling noise now..
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Old Nov 28, 2008 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by chickenwafer
The Esmeril kit routes the charge pipes through the cutout in the front bumper area to the intercooler, so if you plan on putting a CAI there you need to redo the charge piping, which may lead to some convoluted pipes.
My intercooler will be in the same position as the esmeril, but my charge piping will be routed like the sfr.
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Old Nov 28, 2008 | 08:51 AM
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Well confirmed and it's definately the Fuel injectors, Damn not only do I smell it but can also see it white smoke, and fuel leaking.
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Old Nov 28, 2008 | 12:34 PM
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Well at least you know what it is... that is usualy the hardest part.
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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 07:36 PM
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Agreed, diagnostics is usually the hardest part.

When putting the injectors in you probably lost one of the grommets. There is a rubber o-ring also that attaches on top of the injector and seats into the fuel rail, it can sometimes rip/tear so check that. Use some lightweight oil (like 2-stroke oil or Marvel Mystery) to lube the o-ring when re-installing.

Also make sure you have those rubber donuts that seat inbetween the injector and injector boss in the LIM. I found it easiest to put the rubber donut in the boss first instead of having it hang on the injector because they will fall off if you move the rail around a lot.

Seat all injectors in the rail and then drop the rail down, holding the rail with your thumb pressed against your palm and use your fingers to help guide the injectors into the boss'. Once they are seated pop in the two 10mm bolts. Also don't overtighten them or you can crack the injectors. Each injector should be able to spin freely once the rail is bolted in.
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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 08:02 PM
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Can you post up some pics of the MAF setup so I can get a jump on any tuning issues you might have?
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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by chickenwafer
Agreed, diagnostics is usually the hardest part.

When putting the injectors in you probably lost one of the grommets. There is a rubber o-ring also that attaches on top of the injector and seats into the fuel rail, it can sometimes rip/tear so check that. Use some lightweight oil (like 2-stroke oil or Marvel Mystery) to lube the o-ring when re-installing.

Also make sure you have those rubber donuts that seat inbetween the injector and injector boss in the LIM. I found it easiest to put the rubber donut in the boss first instead of having it hang on the injector because they will fall off if you move the rail around a lot.

Seat all injectors in the rail and then drop the rail down, holding the rail with your thumb pressed against your palm and use your fingers to help guide the injectors into the boss'. Once they are seated pop in the two 10mm bolts. Also don't overtighten them or you can crack the injectors. Each injector should be able to spin freely once the rail is bolted in.

Yeah come to find out I lost 2 of those lower cushions on bottom of injectors and forgot to plug the hoses up to that vaccum bracket thingy with the 4 nipples ...BTW what is that piece called? it connects to the oil metering nozzles

Picked up some rubber grommets and gasket maker to seal injectors back in.

Other than that made major progress today and got the manifold, upipe, turbo, downpipe, and IC all installed today All thats left is the charge and MAF piping, relocate battery, greddy oil pan, and put intake system back together.

Will have pictures of everything tomorrow. Right now I'm tired as hell

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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 11:29 PM
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Yeah come to find out I lost 2 of those lower cushions on bottom of injectors and forgot to plug the hoses up to that vaccum bracket thingy with the 4 nipples ...BTW what is that piece called? it connects to the oil metering nozzles

Picked up some rubber grommets and gasket maker to seal injectors back in.

Other than that made major progress today and got the manifold, upipe, turbo, downpipe, and IC all installed today All thats left is the charge and MAF piping, relocate battery, greddy oil pan, and put intake system back together.

Will have pictures of everything tomorrow. Right now I'm tired as hell
The hoses on that vacuum "thingy" is the OMP Spider! That is what helps delivery oil to your housing from the OMP! Leaving it disconnected or damaged is a bad idea. A friend of mine lost his motor that way.

I would advise against using gasket sealer on the fuel injectors- the rubber grommets and o-rings are plenty enough, and gasket sealer can gum up the injectors and disable them if it is ingested or can get sucked into the motor. Bad.
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Old Dec 4, 2008 | 02:31 PM
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Unhappy Update








This happened tuesday after 4 days straight and one to many fitment issues. The car is in my buddys hands now getting some fabricating done to it. Issues I ran into were

the 2 piece downpipe and trying to get that bitch clamped
Intercooler piping
Wastegate

He'll be fixing that and doing some xtra things: Getting IC brackets welded to front bar. Modifying front bar to allow miore air flow to IC, relocating battery and creating bracket, ensuring my injectors are seated correctly allowing no leaks, and modifying my CAI.

Couple of pics of setup before it left


Let me know if you forsee issues w/this intake setup, as I can address it now while it's still in the shop

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Old Dec 4, 2008 | 03:41 PM
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That MAF tube is probably gonna be a problem.
See if you can get an "elbow" to the turbo that doesn't step down and then back up.
Also, move the MAF itself 2 inches forward and put a screen before it.
Make sure the tube is 3.375" i.d. for as much of its length from the filter to the turbo as possible.
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Old Dec 4, 2008 | 04:51 PM
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The way the MAF was installed, isn't it flowing backward? Wouldn't that cause incorrect reading?
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Old Dec 4, 2008 | 05:00 PM
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Yeah I'm a end up trashing the whole setup and get them to fab me up a complete two piece 3.5" od/3.375" ID pipe running from the turbo exiting out the engine bay w/90 degree turn out like mazsport.

This was just some **** I halfassed together as you can see not very pretty, I used the AEM pipe I had but and needed it turning in that direction or otherwise it would have clearance issues.
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Old Dec 4, 2008 | 05:31 PM
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Yeah. Good eyes, Sei.
That MAF is very unhappy.
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Old Dec 4, 2008 | 07:14 PM
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I knew you would have issues with the charge piping. Esmeril routes their pipes through the bumper hole that most of use as a CAI hole.

You also may consider getting a new AST- your wastegate pipe is awfully close to the plastic and it will melt. I would look into a metal AST (Carbing makes a nice one) to avoid it melting.
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Old Dec 4, 2008 | 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by chickenwafer
I knew you would have issues with the charge piping. Esmeril routes their pipes through the bumper hole that most of use as a CAI hole.

You also may consider getting a new AST- your wastegate pipe is awfully close to the plastic and it will melt. I would look into a metal AST (Carbing makes a nice one) to avoid it melting.
I'm very aware of how the charge piping on the esmeril kit runs mine wasn't designed like that. My charge piping( BTW which is from GTAW's top mount setup) is designed to run/route like the SFR, not like the esmeril @ all. The issue I ran into was the lower radiator hose, which needs to be rerouted or replaced w/a more flexible one. That was the issue w/the IC piping.

As far as the WG and overflow tank I'll be using thermotec 2000 F dhesive backed heat shielding on the tank....As well as heatshielding other vital areas..no worries

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Old Dec 5, 2008 | 12:55 AM
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I'll be using thermotec 2000 F dhesive backed heat shielding on the tank.
That stuff will fall off in the first 100 miles.
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Old Dec 5, 2008 | 04:38 AM
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One major issue I have with the front-mount turbo kits is that they make it impossible to use one of the most valuable mods we have for the Renesis; the Sohn OMP Adapter.
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Old Dec 5, 2008 | 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
That stuff will fall off in the first 100 miles.
or less....mine is hanging on barely where my turbo mounts....
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Old Dec 5, 2008 | 11:09 PM
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That's why you need to either get the adhesive-backed stuff and rivet it in or use small sheet metal screws to secure it.

Obviously doing either of those on a fluid tank is a poor idea.
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Old Dec 6, 2008 | 05:39 PM
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Well looks like eveything will be finished up Either Monday or Tuesday

I got my Tial 46mm wastegate in the mail today...and can I add that is one nicely built wastegate...will be dropping that off w/them monday so they can finish up and tighten everything...

God knows I probably won't be getting any sleep between then and now.....The Anxiety!!!
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Old Dec 6, 2008 | 05:41 PM
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I'm going to use the heatshield for now and then relocate and replace surge tank w/an all aluminum one
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Looks Goods this kit!!
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Old Dec 11, 2008 | 11:00 AM
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Well Just came back from the shop, saw my car and.......me> <MRD...... all I can say is damn, It has definately been worth the wait. They literally took my **** mess and made it official !

Car wil be done tomorrow!!!

Pics to follow

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hey dude, call me when you get it. i want to see it. PM me if you don't still have my number.
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