Axial Flow Supercharger
11-19-2005, 08:16 PM
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Start taking preorders at a reduced price with a $500 deposit.
Originally Posted by Richard Paul
After the tests we ran last weekend I'm very confident that our goals are met.
As for a limit I had heard and RotaryGod confermed that A mazda study of several years back claimed 180 f as a safe limit for intake charge. I think this study is still available someplace.
What are the problems left to solve?
First there is the redesign of the housings to fit the engine compartment and the ECU. That's it. Also the intake manifold but that has to come after the new housings are done.
Biggest problem is that we have no budget for this it has to be done around making the shop pay for itself.
As for a limit I had heard and RotaryGod confermed that A mazda study of several years back claimed 180 f as a safe limit for intake charge. I think this study is still available someplace.
What are the problems left to solve?
First there is the redesign of the housings to fit the engine compartment and the ECU. That's it. Also the intake manifold but that has to come after the new housings are done.
Biggest problem is that we have no budget for this it has to be done around making the shop pay for itself.
11-19-2005, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Hymee
Why a reduced price???
I see no reason to reduce the price..
Now, pre-orders with a deposit would help but might be hard to come by without some kind of extrapolated performance number.
How much CFM are you gearing this thing to run into the car? (or was that answered on some page way back, lol).
11-19-2005, 11:15 PM
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Does anyone know how long it will take to get a CARB EO# for the SC? (assuming it was complete and working properly right now and the paperwork was submitted on Monday)
The form is located here (Form C):
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/topforms.htm
Form C refers to these test procedures:
- Cold Start CVS-75 Federal Test Procedure
- Cold 505
- Hot Start CVS-75 (applicable to some diesel-powered vehciles)
Anyone know what these involve?
I tried googling and the www.epa.gov site but coulding find anything specific.
How much do independent labs charge for the first two tests? (assuming the last test doesn't apply)
The form is located here (Form C):
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/topforms.htm
Form C refers to these test procedures:
- Cold Start CVS-75 Federal Test Procedure
- Cold 505
- Hot Start CVS-75 (applicable to some diesel-powered vehciles)
Anyone know what these involve?
I tried googling and the www.epa.gov site but coulding find anything specific.
How much do independent labs charge for the first two tests? (assuming the last test doesn't apply)
11-20-2005, 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by guitarjunkie28
i wonder if i could talk richard into making a really big one for my 3 rotor 
11-20-2005, 02:29 AM
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Speaking of a 3 rotor... interesting comments I was reading in the no. 28 issue of RX-7 Magazine. They had a big section on Sevenstock and interviews with Mr. Oku from RB and a guy from MNAO. Interesting comments... one about a 3 rotor Renesis and the other about a 4 rotor Renesis for a future 7. The MNAO guy would like to see that with a F1 McLaren 3 seater setup... take the LeMans car as a base... I wish I had bought the issue so I could translate and post the articles... maybe I'll grab one tomorrow.
11-20-2005, 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Blue87Sport
If Richard won't, I have some contacts at Pratt & Whitney. You did say *really big* didn't you? 
naw, by "really big", i mean 6-800 whp range.
11-20-2005, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Nigandahu
Start taking preorders at a reduced price with a $500 deposit.
11-20-2005, 09:25 PM
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You kinda answer your own question there buddy. Why a reduced price? To give incentive for people to take the plunge without substantial numbers backing up Richards claims.
Originally Posted by Ajax
No kidding. You're talking about the most unique blower on the market with probably the simplest implementation there is. It doesn't even need an intercooler! If this thing isn't the most affordable aftermarket option for forced induction besides those crazy turbonators, i'll be suprised (well, engine management done right could make it pricey).
I see no reason to reduce the price..
Now, pre-orders with a deposit would help but might be hard to come by without some kind of extrapolated performance number.
How much CFM are you gearing this thing to run into the car? (or was that answered on some page way back, lol).
I see no reason to reduce the price..
Now, pre-orders with a deposit would help but might be hard to come by without some kind of extrapolated performance number.
How much CFM are you gearing this thing to run into the car? (or was that answered on some page way back, lol).
11-20-2005, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Nigandahu
You kinda answer your own question there buddy. Why a reduced price? To give incentive for people to take the plunge without substantial numbers backing up Richards claims.
Richard, announce a selling price $1000 over what you were planning. Obviously this implies first naming a price. Then "discount" it by that much to keep the reduced price people happy.
Putting money down only gives people an excuse to complain when he doesn't hit the target date. We see it here all the time with deposits. He shouldn't take any deposits and get it done at HIS own pace. Of course he could always discount it, take a deposit, and not take the time to finish it properly leaving all of it's flaws to be worked out by the buyer. At least it would be done quickly for the impatient people though. After all you get what you pay for. That would only be fair.
Personally I'm of the belief that if you are a sceptic and rely on fudged dyno numbers as proof, go buy something else that you do believe in. If you feel this will be worth it, you'll wait for it and pay the asking price. If you don't feel it's worth it, you won't end up having one. Simple really. You won't find any other distributers so good luck getting cheap about it and still getting one. Obviously some won't wait and others will wait but then they won't pay the asking price. It happens. No big deal. That'll leave the rest to have a very nice product.
11-21-2005, 01:17 AM
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Richard presented a problem (lack of funds), and I presented a solution (preorders). There really isnt any more to it. Whatever Richard decides to do is up to him. I would think it would be obvious that a person who is as enthusiastic emough about his product to preorder it at this stage, to help development, would have a similar attitude to what you described (Wanting him to get it done in a quality manner at his own pace). But thanks for the lecture, captain obvious.
Originally Posted by rotarygod
He hasn't named a price yet!!! How the hell can he reduce it?
Richard, announce a selling price $1000 over what you were planning. Obviously this implies first naming a price. Then "discount" it by that much to keep the reduced price people happy.
Putting money down only gives people an excuse to complain when he doesn't hit the target date. We see it here all the time with deposits. He shouldn't take any deposits and get it done at HIS own pace. Of course he could always discount it, take a deposit, and not take the time to finish it properly leaving all of it's flaws to be worked out by the buyer. At least it would be done quickly for the impatient people though. After all you get what you pay for. That would only be fair.
Personally I'm of the belief that if you are a sceptic and rely on fudged dyno numbers as proof, go buy something else that you do believe in. If you feel this will be worth it, you'll wait for it and pay the asking price. If you don't feel it's worth it, you won't end up having one. Simple really. You won't find any other distributers so good luck getting cheap about it and still getting one. Obviously some won't wait and others will wait but then they won't pay the asking price. It happens. No big deal. That'll leave the rest to have a very nice product.
Richard, announce a selling price $1000 over what you were planning. Obviously this implies first naming a price. Then "discount" it by that much to keep the reduced price people happy.
Putting money down only gives people an excuse to complain when he doesn't hit the target date. We see it here all the time with deposits. He shouldn't take any deposits and get it done at HIS own pace. Of course he could always discount it, take a deposit, and not take the time to finish it properly leaving all of it's flaws to be worked out by the buyer. At least it would be done quickly for the impatient people though. After all you get what you pay for. That would only be fair.
Personally I'm of the belief that if you are a sceptic and rely on fudged dyno numbers as proof, go buy something else that you do believe in. If you feel this will be worth it, you'll wait for it and pay the asking price. If you don't feel it's worth it, you won't end up having one. Simple really. You won't find any other distributers so good luck getting cheap about it and still getting one. Obviously some won't wait and others will wait but then they won't pay the asking price. It happens. No big deal. That'll leave the rest to have a very nice product.
11-21-2005, 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by rotarygod
He hasn't named a price yet!!! How the hell can he reduce it?
Richard, announce a selling price $1000 over what you were planning. Obviously this implies first naming a price. Then "discount" it by that much to keep the reduced price people happy.
Putting money down only gives people an excuse to complain when he doesn't hit the target date. We see it here all the time with deposits. He shouldn't take any deposits and get it done at HIS own pace. Of course he could always discount it, take a deposit, and not take the time to finish it properly leaving all of it's flaws to be worked out by the buyer. At least it would be done quickly for the impatient people though. After all you get what you pay for. That would only be fair.
Personally I'm of the belief that if you are a sceptic and rely on fudged dyno numbers as proof, go buy something else that you do believe in. If you feel this will be worth it, you'll wait for it and pay the asking price. If you don't feel it's worth it, you won't end up having one. Simple really. You won't find any other distributers so good luck getting cheap about it and still getting one. Obviously some won't wait and others will wait but then they won't pay the asking price. It happens. No big deal. That'll leave the rest to have a very nice product.
Richard, announce a selling price $1000 over what you were planning. Obviously this implies first naming a price. Then "discount" it by that much to keep the reduced price people happy.
Putting money down only gives people an excuse to complain when he doesn't hit the target date. We see it here all the time with deposits. He shouldn't take any deposits and get it done at HIS own pace. Of course he could always discount it, take a deposit, and not take the time to finish it properly leaving all of it's flaws to be worked out by the buyer. At least it would be done quickly for the impatient people though. After all you get what you pay for. That would only be fair.
Personally I'm of the belief that if you are a sceptic and rely on fudged dyno numbers as proof, go buy something else that you do believe in. If you feel this will be worth it, you'll wait for it and pay the asking price. If you don't feel it's worth it, you won't end up having one. Simple really. You won't find any other distributers so good luck getting cheap about it and still getting one. Obviously some won't wait and others will wait but then they won't pay the asking price. It happens. No big deal. That'll leave the rest to have a very nice product.
11-21-2005, 10:39 PM
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Thank you guys. I think it's grat you offer but I couldn't take your money. If I did then I'd have someone to answer too. Like being married. Also it takes alot of money to develop something like this. If all we did was work on this it would get done but it would have to support all the overhead while we did it.
It's getting done, really. The manifold flanges are being cut right now and then we can fab the manifold tubing. I'm happy with the blade design now, so that is finally over. We are still running endurance tests as the same comppressor sits on the test rig. We just turn it on every so often and let it run.
So as goes on I think I'm happy with the bearings and shaft design. Oil pressure on the test rig isn't as high as it is in the car. I can raise it but the orfice is to big. This needs work as I can't get the same temp out of the oil yet. All these little things must be worked out before we release product.
Keep the faith Grasshopper.
It's getting done, really. The manifold flanges are being cut right now and then we can fab the manifold tubing. I'm happy with the blade design now, so that is finally over. We are still running endurance tests as the same comppressor sits on the test rig. We just turn it on every so often and let it run.
So as goes on I think I'm happy with the bearings and shaft design. Oil pressure on the test rig isn't as high as it is in the car. I can raise it but the orfice is to big. This needs work as I can't get the same temp out of the oil yet. All these little things must be worked out before we release product.
Keep the faith Grasshopper.
11-21-2005, 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Macius8
Lets all buy a short shifter, maybe two, that should help out a bit with the funds 
most of the pepole that have read "PART" of the thread miss the point that rp is doing this out of passion.
if you dont understand i cant help you.
the greater good.
beers
sorry, just my opinion i could be wrong
11-22-2005, 11:40 AM
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hey Richard
Racing Beat is offering an oil pressure sensor adaptor which goes in under the filter
i believe you have said this is where you will take oil for your SC. i assume we cant just keep stacking things on top of each other there. will your oil tap double as a presure sensor maybe?
Racing Beat is offering an oil pressure sensor adaptor which goes in under the filter
i believe you have said this is where you will take oil for your SC. i assume we cant just keep stacking things on top of each other there. will your oil tap double as a presure sensor maybe?
11-23-2005, 05:20 PM
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Slightly off topic, but since I've been following this thread since page 1, I'm going to ask a question any how. The history page at axialflow.com mentions strut bars for the front and rear. Have you made any progress on that front? From a completely uninformed point of view, it seems that should be a considerably less involved project, and should provide some additional revenue, like the short-shifters.
11-23-2005, 05:49 PM
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Hmmm, that sorta slipped from my mind. Maybe I will go back and revisit that. I did have something worked out in my head but never drew it. It requires having an extrusion die made. I'd have to sell enough of them to pay that tab.
I'm gonna check the price of that.
I'm gonna check the price of that.