Axial Flow Supercharger
01-08-2006, 01:24 PM
#2632
I started a new thread to ask this question but didn't get enough response so as to have a good answer.
How many ribs are there on your AC belt?
I have two different styles here, my car has three and my spare engine has four.
I need to design the kit for something. I suppose my car is wrong as it is an early build. Yet how long did this go on?
If yours is a three rib also give me the build date. Anyone with an 05 or 06 check in on this please.
How many ribs are there on your AC belt?
I have two different styles here, my car has three and my spare engine has four.
I need to design the kit for something. I suppose my car is wrong as it is an early build. Yet how long did this go on?
If yours is a three rib also give me the build date. Anyone with an 05 or 06 check in on this please.
01-12-2006, 07:56 AM
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RP are your compressors/turbines capable of pumping hydraulic fluid?
Are they capable of pumping that incompressible fluid at the speeds that would be necessary for the supercharger to work?
Basically hydraulic input to an axial turbine which was connected by a shaft to the AFSC (no gearing).
Assuming the correct amount of hydro pressure and flow rate would it be possible to drive the supercharger to the speeds necessary for a FI setup.
Off the wall question yes just trying to develop an idea.
Mad scientist at work
Are they capable of pumping that incompressible fluid at the speeds that would be necessary for the supercharger to work?
Basically hydraulic input to an axial turbine which was connected by a shaft to the AFSC (no gearing).
Assuming the correct amount of hydro pressure and flow rate would it be possible to drive the supercharger to the speeds necessary for a FI setup.
Off the wall question yes just trying to develop an idea.
Mad scientist at work
01-12-2006, 10:37 AM
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Ok, I know there have been things posted in this monster thread that I really didnt understand....but this one is completely baffling me. Maybe I just misread it...trying to figure out how hydraulic fluid fits into the SC picture....
01-12-2006, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by TexasKyle
Ok, I know there have been things posted in this monster thread that I really didnt understand....but this one is completely baffling me. Maybe I just misread it...trying to figure out how hydraulic fluid fits into the SC picture....
01-12-2006, 12:26 PM
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Your first question answered itself. If you want to pump a non compressable fluid, use a pump. You can't compress it. This is a compressor, a roots is a pump.
The rest of your post I don't understant unless what Zoom said is it. Then of course you can use hydrulic motors to drive anything. It just adds machinery and anytime you change mediums you lose something.
Or were you thinking that the SC could run itself, perpetual motion machine?
The rest of your post I don't understant unless what Zoom said is it. Then of course you can use hydrulic motors to drive anything. It just adds machinery and anytime you change mediums you lose something.
Or were you thinking that the SC could run itself, perpetual motion machine?
01-12-2006, 12:35 PM
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actually i had a perpetual motion thought the other day not unlike that picture. the water falls thru a really efficient indestructible generator. the generator makes electricity which is used to heat the water basin. there is an angled roof over the structure so the evaporating water condensates and drips back into the resevoir above the generator. perpetual motion
01-12-2006, 03:11 PM
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RP I sent you a PM via the s2ki.com site with my email address.
I want to send you my design notes/pictures of the "out of the box" ideas I have.
I should have stated my question more clearly.
What I meant to ask is it possible to C&C a hydro pump and a motor (no compression) using an adaptation of your design... would need to be capable to pump/run at the same speeds as the compressors necessary RPM to obtain the desired flow rate and pressure
RP when you see my design notes it should be clearer what and why I am trying to do....
Do you have Microsoft word?
Yes I am looking at alternatives to using a belt drive the system.
Exhaust driven turbine (something other than aluminum it wont stand up to the heat) drives a high speed axial hydro pump (no compression) which provided hydro pressure to a hydro axial pump which in turns drives the compressor. No gear sets necessary.
Or connect the turbine and the compressor together via a shaft (turbo style)
Back to the hydro system: Turbine and compressor are separated thermally as much as possible to reduce heat transfer via conduction through the metals and via convection from the header to the compressor casing. Using hydro system to drive the compressor in this way allows more options in mounting the compressor. And most importantly since the mass moment of these systems is very low and the thermo-mechanical efficiency is hi; no boost lag and very linear boost profile.
Making the system more like a turbo set up but using an axial compressor and an axial turbine.
I want to send you my design notes/pictures of the "out of the box" ideas I have.
I should have stated my question more clearly.
What I meant to ask is it possible to C&C a hydro pump and a motor (no compression) using an adaptation of your design... would need to be capable to pump/run at the same speeds as the compressors necessary RPM to obtain the desired flow rate and pressure
RP when you see my design notes it should be clearer what and why I am trying to do....
Do you have Microsoft word?
Yes I am looking at alternatives to using a belt drive the system.
Exhaust driven turbine (something other than aluminum it wont stand up to the heat) drives a high speed axial hydro pump (no compression) which provided hydro pressure to a hydro axial pump which in turns drives the compressor. No gear sets necessary.
Or connect the turbine and the compressor together via a shaft (turbo style)
Back to the hydro system: Turbine and compressor are separated thermally as much as possible to reduce heat transfer via conduction through the metals and via convection from the header to the compressor casing. Using hydro system to drive the compressor in this way allows more options in mounting the compressor. And most importantly since the mass moment of these systems is very low and the thermo-mechanical efficiency is hi; no boost lag and very linear boost profile.
Making the system more like a turbo set up but using an axial compressor and an axial turbine.
01-12-2006, 03:33 PM
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[QUOTE=deppenma]RP I sent you a PM via the s2ki.com site with my email address.
I want to send you my design notes/pictures of the "out of the box" ideas I have.
Negative, just checked the S2k forum and no PM.
No I do not have word, I hardly have anything as I never got the damn thing fixed.
I want to send you my design notes/pictures of the "out of the box" ideas I have.
Negative, just checked the S2k forum and no PM.
No I do not have word, I hardly have anything as I never got the damn thing fixed.
