type59

http://www.ks-auto.com/turning/original/aero.html

heres a link to their kit site.


haha. that is funny. i wasnt trying to say it looked bad. just that it didnt look like what it did in the picture. my bad if i came off offensive. do you think i can get a shot of the car head on? just to see how it looks like from the front?

lazi

correct "used" to but tru, i did, and now i realize i shouldnt have, =( haha but i can also express my feelings, so no, i won't let it be

PhotoMunkey

Hallelujah, praise Jesus! Lazi has "seen the light", repented of his mortal sins, and gone and become an evangelist!

Now I don't suppose you went and gave all of the profits you made to the companies whose ripped-off products you sold, did you? ;^)

All I'm saying is if a US company can make a similar-looking product out of a BETTER material with different mounting, is it then the same product?

lazi

yes its the same product

lazi

haha nothing is gonna come out of this so im gonna end the convo. =) have a great day

Trekk

I like the kit. I also like to spend my money the way I'd like. I see nothing wrong with knock offs in america. It's not worth waiting months and spending top $$ just for the pride of having the real deal. (After all would you be able to tell the differance?)

If I could order the real deal here, and have it in 5 days or less I might think differantly.

scsi

for most consumers, replicas like shine's are great because they are high quality, sometimes higher than the original, much less weight time, no need to go through customs, etc.

it can adversely affect some consumers as well, for example ones who purchase the original kit, to be original, and now there are replicas all over the place, they arent only ones anymore

the biggest problem is for the businesses who originally designed the body kits, and in some cases even aero test them. it costs them more money to design a kit, whereas shine only produces them, little to no design at all. it may reduce the number of new kits coming out. will shine start designing their own? doubt it

Trekk

What does that tell you about the sales then? It's only gonna make you more original cause you have it and others dont. If you have the real item then your still an O.G.
Mostly cause people dont want to wait, others dont wanna pay that much.


I think the only person hurting them selves here is the vendor. I work for a company that has opened a warehouse in Ireland just so we can supply France, Germany, Ireland and so on. Had we of not done that we would of kept letting someone else that claimed to be as good, if not better then us get the sales.
People in those areas could of got our product at anytime. But who wants to wait 4 months for something to come that could be damaged? It would take for ever to get a replacement. Would you wait another 3-4months on top of that?

scsi

just giving briefly my own understanding of a few different points of view

i personally am in line for the autobahn replica by shine because its cheap and a body kit just isnt that important to me but it would still be nice to have a different look. driving is more important to me so the flexible material is preferred as well.

i do speak with ngorx8 and though he'd still be OG because he has original parts, it sucks that there will be a bunch of cars that look the same.

for businesses, i remember watching some video, it was about C-West and how they actually put R&D into the aerodynamics of their kits which costs time and money. so i was just trying to bring that up too though i know that not all companies take their body kit design that far.

PhotoMunkey

It should be available from Shine Auto in the next few weeks. They're doing the molds right now. They will be able to make them in carbon fiber too, if someone wants that. Of course, the CF version wouldn't be flexible. The kit will come in black gel coat, and Shine's proprietary flexible hybrid fiberglass, for $800.
Front Lip $300
Side skirt (each) $175 (pair) $350
Rear (each) $75 (pair) $150
Total $800 for the entire kit (5 pieces)
Shipping to your destination of choice will vary, of course.

I'm looking forward to my kit. Whether anyone else likes it and wants it is immaterial to me. I like what I like because I LIKE it and need flexibility, and that's all that matters to me! The sheer amount of blown tires on the desert freeways stuns me sometimes! I like both the Type I Burnout version (being reproduced by Evo-R) and the Type II version (available through Shine Auto Project), but I think the Type II compliments the rounded lines of the car a bit better. A matter of personal taste.

hitman408

The price seems high for a replica. Vendors sell the real front lip $300 shipped.

PhotoMunkey

And those vendors would be...? When I was looking for a vendor in August, I found SQUAT for the Burnout kit here in the US. NADA. NOTHING. Now if suddenly there are hundreds of KS-Auto dealers here in the US blowing out KD-IV front lips for less than $300 (including the shipping, from Japan no less) then by all means, do post their names, addresses and contact info.

Lazi, help us out here. How much could YOU sell the KD-IV Type II lip (or the Type I lip for that matter) including shipping? If it's $300 shipped, I'll eat my words, but seriously, with a 2-3 month wait time, I SHOULD be inexpensive.

Even the polyurethane front lip from Mazda costs more than $300, and Mazda's price doesn't include shipping. People selling Chinese-made R-Magic lips for $300? Possibly, but that's not the same, now is it? Would you want just the front lip?

Keep in mind, I'm not miffed. I'm just responding in my regularly-sarcastic manner. I doubt that there are few people on this board who know as much about the Burnout kit as I do at this point (including Ken from Shine Auto and Jay at Evo-R).

At $850 for the entire (FLEXIBLE FIBERGLASS) kit from Shine Auto, this is a steal for hand-laid, MADE-IN-THE-USA quality!

Guys, don't forget, if we keep supporting Shine Auto Project, perhaps they'll become big enough to develop their own styling kits with our input.

hitman408

My mistake it was for the r-majic from lazi. I was hoping it would be cheaper than that. My thing is you can buy replica full bumpers for $400-$450.

scsi

is this correct? the skirts in your pic look like type-1 skirts.

manek1

Carbon Fiber price list and availability....?!?

rx8wannahave

Interesting...while IF I ever put a kit on my 8 I think I'd mix and match because I'm not a fan of any FULL kit out there.

type59

photomunkey, do you have any more pictures of your version2 kit?

PhotoMunkey

The pics posted are not "my" version 2, they are the actual KS-Auto pieces, mounted on my car before going into the mold-making process. Every piece is different slightly from the Type I Burnout KD-IV kit. The Type II front doesn't flare as much and the side skirts are more subdued in their shaping. The Type I kit is very aggressive in appearance. The Type II kit is softer yet hangs down just as low as the Type I.

On Carbon Fiber... I don't have pricing yet. They've got rolls of the stuff there, so availability won't be an issue. The question will be with just one set of molds, how fast can they make parts?

Personally, I wouldn't try mixing the Type I and Type II kits as they're just different enough to look bad together. Also, all of the other lip kits won't match well with them. They're just competely different from the other offerings on the market. They have their own look.

PhotoMunkey

Not everyone likes the look of the full bumper. My feeling is only Mazdaspeed got it right. Most of the rest look corny to me. Don't get me started on the Autobahn kit, although I know many folks like it. It's not a Ferrari so it shouldn't look like a Ferrari. Shine Auto Project also makes an excellent Auto-Exe front and rear bumper cover package, if that's the way you want to go. The prices are reasonable and the fit if very good. The products are lightweight (which is why I want them to make a one-piece race nose with the Type II lip molded on) and very flexible. It would be hard to break one on a curb or freeway impact (although not impossible).

Also, not everyone wants to take their front end apart, or likes looking at the blacked out bumper bar behind it (due to the larger grill openings on some kits). Prep time on a full nose and rear bumper kit will be substantially more, unless you're going to take the extremely cheap approach and just spray it as it came straight from the mold.

type59

do you have more pictures of your car with the real kit then? =) ive got an itch.

PhotoMunkey

What I mean to say is, there are distinct advantages to lip kits. This is why MFGs used to use lip kits themselves to style their cars. The RX-7 GenII for example had several different nose treatments this way. When polyurethane molding techniques advanced, MFGs started to use these more cost-effective methods to create different model "appearances". While this makes it easier to bolt on a new nose, this reduces the opportunity for lip kits, as there's not much room on most nose/bumper pieces these days. Especially on sports cars...

I like lip kits... they just seem "old school" to me.

I AM THE RED WORM

have they started in this? when do you expect availability?

PhotoMunkey

Molds for the rear pieces and side skirts are complete now. I'm waiting on word that the front mold has been completed. Ken at Shine said he was waiting on his "mold guy" to finish a pair of FD3S wide-body front fenders before getting on to the Burnout front lip. There's a much larger market for the older RX-7 stuff, so we -8 owners must wait our turn. I expect they'll have this done this week (right before Christmas).
Eric

People intersted should message "Shineautoproject" on here, or call Ken directly at 909-773-0820.

PhotoMunkey

I only took shots of the car in those two poses. It was a VERY windy day in LA, and we didn't want to risk the original pieces being damaged by being blown off the car. You can't really tell, but the sides and rears are held on by thin packaging tape in those photos! LOL We simply put them one, ensured that they fit exactly where they're supposed to, then shot the photos and ran for cover from the blowing dust and grit in the air!

I'll take more photos once Ken has the first set of repros made. I might lower the car a little farther too. Those are my Eibach Pro-kit springs only. The K-sport coil-over package should sit a little lower.
Eric

type59

thanks. looking forward to it!