Brettus

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Cheers
I'm thinking that the 5500 column does all the range above that rpm - sound about right ?

Kane

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Throttle delta that those higher RPM aren't going to amount to much since the engine is already singing... so yeah I'll buy off on that.

myriadshalaks

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use the mediafire like i did.

you can try changing them to .doc, but it might not work.

carbonRX8

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Meh. I think it is time I organized my web page. Or get one only for personal use.

vansickey

Brettus, if I'm not mistaken, that map isn't for an accelerator pump( yours is in lambda) , it's the main fueling table for the given gear( hence 3 tables) up to 5500 rpm. Above that it switches to load based or under certain circumstances. YOu should be able to see your AFR change according to this table and conditions ( like below 5.5 k) and when your not in closed loop.

With that being said, I am wanting to look into Fuel tip-in (accelerator pump)... Isn't this mapped in the AP?

myriadshalaks

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this? there's a-d and max

Brettus

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hmmm - you could be right there as i can't seem to get the desired result with it .

Brettus

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there are 4 maps like that (neutral , 1/2 3/4 and 5/6) - they are the throttle position maps not the acc. pump maps .

myriadshalaks

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so ap doesn't map acc pump. or ... i don't see it in mine.

Brettus

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the maps labelled 'accelerator pump' in pro tuner are the one i posted (+2 others) but they don't seem to do that function at all .

what are they labelled in the AP ?

auzoom

Brettus, I think I mentioned before that I got some results from playing with these maps. Doesn't help I know but my DEC 04 car responds top them.

Brettus

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what results did you get ?

jbk

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auzoom

Nothing exciting as I haven't played to much. Just that I could make it go richer if I wanted to.

myriadshalaks

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oh, the throttle fuel maps. i have 1-3 and 4-6. mine look pretty lean.

vansickey

I think you may remember RB's comment amount Mazda doing as much as they can to help fuel mileage, I beleive this is what they are refering to. Most of our cruise driving is going to be under 5500, and with these TPS based maps, and other parameters, we stay in closed loop alot, unless over 5500, or 100% tps.

I think you will find, unless someone changed their *Throttle based maps*, if you watch logs of afr and rpm ( like dyno runs), they will be lean under 5k, even with a properly tuned Load based map.

Also, I know tip-in as ( accel pump ), that map labeled tipin appears to just be a positioning map. Also odd, my table runs up to 9k for position.

And now that I look, those throttle fueling maps only go to 4k? mine run to 5500...

Brettus

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OK - but richer under what circumstances . Cruise , load or tip in ?

myriadshalaks

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i dunno, man. i dip into the high 12s around 4400. i thought open loop ends at 4000-4200.

and if you're at wot, these tables won't effect you, right? since they go by throttle position and only go up to 84 percent.

vansickey

Is high 12's good for power in the rotary? I've been trying to run 11.9 to 12.3 on an NA. Is this too rich?

At full throttle, the PCM should start it's calculations to pull out of Closed loop... Fuel Mapping that calls for closed loop affects this process as well as other factors. If the map is still calling for CL, the other factors, ie, LOAD have to take override the fuel map parameters. I just think mapping the fuel out of CL is the first place to start exit process, then load parameters, throttle parameters, speed parameters, and so forth.

I want my car to fuel for power at full throttle no matter what. instant, not a OL/CL delay process.

I have to go back and look at which table it is, but I think 84 is actually WOT, and usually if the PCM needs a scale that goes beyond the table, it uses the last useable column or row.

Please be patient, these are just my thoughts, they could easily be wrong... I am still learning the rotary, and still working on the right mapping for the 8.

Any ideas on idle timing, 5 degrees ATDC causes a rough idle for me, does anyone have a useable idle timing table?

This is my throttle map compared to stock. I changed this when ALL my lower engine speed logs were leaner than I was mapping in the LOAD maps, this allowed me to hit the targets I was looking for at the lower engine speeds. It sped up the CL to OL transition, my runs usually started around 2500 to 3k and now when I lower the hammer at these engine speeds, I run about 11.8 - 12.3 afr instead of mid 13's it used to run until about 4500-4800. I guess in theory not much difference from high 12's you run, but the throttle mapping was more responsive in the range it covers for me.

Here again, I am still learning, be patient, and let me know what you guys think.

myriadshalaks

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i think 12.5 -13.2 is where the power is for the renesis. so you're a bit rich.

everything else makes sense.

but your throttle tables are really rich compared to mine. what is that doing? seems like it would just make cruising mpg even crummier. of course, i'm not sure how this table gets into the action. So i'm worse off than you. lol.

Mr.&Mrs.Magic

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hope i'm not thread jacking but i got a question or 2 about geting a working map in light of my new intake problems. basically I dont understand what the hell all the "table list" names mean. Right now all i'm trying to do is get a base map with a few adjustments so i can continue to drive my car like fan temp, rev limit, oil metering. then i'll try moving on to recalculating the MAF.

1) there are several fan threshold values which am i'm looking to change? *Fan 1-B* and why will Fan 1-A not go below 206? what's the deal with fan 2 why not lower them a few degrees as well and if we should whats ECT and VSS mean never mind got it

2) idle speeds: A-E whats the deal here? i would like to move the idle to somewhere around 900 to get rid of that nasty shutter sitting at a light. Is there any way i can get the idle to increase when the A/C is on and lower when the A/C is off it fills like my car is always trying to die with A/C. Why not change the warm up RPM's to somthing lower when it's cold outside. I'm guess here but isn't 1700 RPM's a bit much when the motor is dead cold in single digit weather.

3)oil metering- i see there is a change for metering in load-based why not for throttle-based also it doesn't look to me as if the load based provided by the OP is much different than stock it has always sounded like jeff made it a big deal "OIL METERING INCREASED IN ALL AREAS" and few few other remarks.

myriadshalaks

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i've moved the low end of the idle to low 900s up from high 800s. gets a more stable idle, it think. i just changed any of them that had 800s.

the fans. 1A and 1B I have at 199. Fan 2 ECT is 206 (that may be stock) -- that's all i have as far as changes with the fans.

as far as the oil metering, the map i put on there just changes the low end on the load based. I'll attach the throttle based.

I burn a lot of oil now -- 1-2 quarts every other fill up or so. so.... i can't see adding much more.

lmk if you want this in .csv.

sorry about that. this one is changed more. good catch.

Mr.&Mrs.Magic

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i'm assuming that if rpm is rasied then all areas of rpm based mapping needs to be added right or does the ecu take over somehow and make it's own default decision? (i.e. oil metering)- if rpm is raised to 9500 then does oil metering need a 9500 table or will it default to the last value???

also i'm think about turning the fan 1 temp to 201 and fan 2 temp to 210??? maybe this will help stop the constant cycling also raise fan VSS to 15. 6 MPH in traffic is hardly a reason to turn off fan 2. Ideas remarks

myriadshalaks

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it will use the last value, i think, which should be fine. so it would treat anything over 9000 as 9000 if 9000 is your last column (or row).

you can't add columns (or rows), as far as i know.

Kane

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It should use the last value.