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Old 07-08-2009, 04:33 PM
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Your best bet is to exchange data in CSV format so people can build their own from the data.
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i put them in excel. folks should be able to change the values.

what's it like when people are downloading from the links?

When I download them on every computer i've tried, i get an excel file that pulls right up and is comma separated. It looks just like the maps in AP. They can be copied and pasted directly.

They can also so be changed.

but yeah, i definitely would like to see some others' maps too. maybe some of yours.

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Originally Posted by myriadshalaks
cool man. let us know how it goes.

if you have confusions with the baseline, I'll be happy to help out if i can. shoot me a pm.
Thanks myriad...
Ive got a couple of projects this weekend, one of which is trying out a 75 shot.

I'm trying hard to teach myself about tuning a rotary engine, I just hope it happens before I blow a motor.
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Your best bet is to exchange data in CSV format so people can build their own from the data.
HEY, any news on your next AP Training webinar?
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HEY, any news on your next AP Training webinar?
Probably the week of the 20th. I'll announce new dates this week.
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Originally Posted by wcs
Thanks myriad...
Ive got a couple of projects this weekend, one of which is trying out a 75 shot.

I'm trying hard to teach myself about tuning a rotary engine, I just hope it happens before I blow a motor.
with a 75 shot, it might not be long before you blow something. lol. keep us updated.



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So the downloads are working fine? there was confusion because of the pic i posted, right?

once again, the maps can be downloaded from the links in post 2 and opened with excel.

to all, please use a similar format when uploading your maps for us to see. hint hint.

kthx
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^^^I have had some guidance towards this 75 shot.
Baby steps dude

I'm not going to go on a long rant on how Ray and Jeff have been epic in there assistance but .... nufff said... (and Easy_E1 FIRE IN THE HOLE BRO!)
Kane has also help me in coil problem times (thanks) but now its time that I start out on my own.
The problem is ..... I know enough ...... but not enough... if you get what I'm saying.

My car runs awesome with Jeff's tune, but I want to be able to do that as well.
(the reason why I'm interested in his webinar course)

I'm seriously at the point where I'm thinking about going turbo and I have the realization that there is no shops around that can do it.

I'm going to run 75 (I believe I can) for the summer.
Come the winter, all things working well (meaning my job) I"m going to buy a turbo.
I will switch my nitrous kit over to a spray (CO2?) for the inter cooler.

End game is I want to be able to tune the car myself, understanding however that I will need the guidance of those that have already tavelled the path.

Unlike others myriad I don't post much unless I can add to the thread.
I hope ...... I can add soon. Till then I'm a reader, however I will post my results of your maps come Monday.

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Thanks for posting the info so i could build a map. I had no clue what i was doing in the begining but i worked through it. It was a fun thing to do while i'm waiting for my custom map from MM. Keep the info flowing!
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cool, tireman. let us know how it goes.

wow, wcs. sounds like you're just a little ahead of me. i've got my eye on a nitrous kit now, and i hope to go turbo in the next couple years.

maybe we can figure this tuning stuff out by then.

you think mm will let us groupbuy his webinar? heh.
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^^^LOL maybe ...
However I've already paid, just anxiously awaiting the next start date!!!!
https://www.rx8club.com/mazdamaniac-183/rx-8-accessport-tuning-webcast-seminar-173014/page4/
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anyone had any success adjusting the "accelerator pump" map . I've played with it a little but it does not seem to have the desired result .
I still get a lean spike when I mash the throttle and the turbo spools up ....
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Do you have one map - or one for every two gears, etc...?
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(EDIT! I thought you were talking about a different table)

My plan, once I get there, is to first have someone else in the car and use the cursor tracing function on the ATR software and see if the table is accessed at all. Then scale the RPMs out and the points WAY rich and back off to taste.

I also bet that the numbers there are mistakenly put to be AFRs. I bet they are % modifiers.

Having said that, I know not of what I spakeith.

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Originally Posted by Kane
Do you have one map - or one for every two gears, etc...?
I have 3 maps but I suspect that only one does anything - just like my main fueling maps .
Should I be putting a number greater than 1 in all the cells ?
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Originally Posted by Brettus
I have 3 maps but I suspect that only one does anything - just like my main fueling maps .
??

If I adjust my main fueling maps for gears 3-4 and not 5-6, I get different results in the different sets of gears. What year do you have?

And you see numbers near one? Interesting. I see AFRs (in standard units.)
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Originally Posted by carbonRX8
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If I adjust my main fueling maps for gears 3-4 and not 5-6, I get different results in the different sets of gears. What year do you have?

And you see numbers near one? Interesting. I see AFRs (in standard units.)
Only one of my fueling maps does anything - mine is an 03 . MM insists that this is impossible but this is what I have .

can you post what your acc pump table looks like Carbon - so I can check i'm looking at the right table .
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Brettus - the maps are in AFR on the AP - so the higher you raise the number - the leaner you will go if your is in Lambda....
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Is this the right map ? I have tried adjusting all the values to the right of 3000 down to .91 on all 3 maps but this did nothing

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How do we upload .csv files???


BTW all my fuel pump maps are the same at the moment/ Honestly, I figure you would want them richer the shorter the gear.




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/\ that is the same map but yours is in AFR and mine is in lambda . Have your tried adjusting this map at all ?
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I have played with it, but as I was messing with several other things; I not sure that what I saw was a result of this table.

I would guess that this table either modifies as a percentage, or is superceded by, the fuel tables. THat means that if you dont reach a certain abount of fuel that is alread dictated by the fuel table, you will not access this table. What I will bedoing to figure this out if someone doesn't beat me to it, is to put something stupid rich in a single or small set of cells, and then datalog throttle dc and AFR. From that start you can back down until you get what you want.
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here is the issue : note the big lean spike after each gear change ....


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I know it works Brettus - I've bogged a few down on accel with 'em.
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I know it works Brettus - I've bogged a few down on accel with 'em.
what numbers did you use to get a decent result ?
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I'll let you know when I get a really smooth one.

Right now they are in the 12.3 range.


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