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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 03:56 PM
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Old Jul 11, 2011 | 09:03 PM
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As hard as it will be to start over, you will be better off in the long run. There are several people on the forum who will likely be glad to assist you as well.
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Old Jul 12, 2011 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by NgoRX8
boost variable in Protuner? what's that?
Obviously you have not seen Protune; the boost varible is normally set to 200 (100 for NA), this is probably the same "VE" setting that everyone talks about in the AP software.

All said, Protune is much more boosted user friendly.

I will conquer the AP "Race tune" eventually, but it will be a while to transpose the settings I want into the AP software and generate a base map that I can trust.

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Old Jul 12, 2011 | 02:44 PM
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I thought "VE Table" was called "forward loop gain."
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Old Jul 12, 2011 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Rote8
Obviously you have not seen Protune; the boost varible is normally set to 200 (100 for NA), this is probably the same "VE" setting that everyone talks about in the AP software.

All said, Protune is much more boosted user friendly.

I will conquer the AP "Race tune" eventually, but it will be a while to transpose the settings I want into the AP software and generate a base map that I can trust.
ATR does not have that "boost variable" setting (or SC1 SC2 and SC3) and that was what had me stumped for a while . I decided to just forget about it and do it anyway . Guess what - ATR works fine without it .......

You will find ATR easier to use once you get into it .

And :
Forward loop gain = VE as oltman said .

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Old Jul 12, 2011 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Rote8
Obviously you have not seen Protune; the boost varible is normally set to 200 (100 for NA), this is probably the same "VE" setting that everyone talks about in the AP software.
Are you referring to table {237} Max Allowable Torque? Mark set this to 200, (or it might be 2.00) in his base boosted map
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Old Jul 12, 2011 | 11:19 PM
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curious, what does this 'boost variable' do?
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Old Jul 13, 2011 | 01:17 AM
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sounds like it automatically configures the calculated load scaling values

and no it is not more boost friendly, you just don't fully understand the Cobb system enough yet
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Old Jul 13, 2011 | 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by atl8
Are you referring to table {237} Max Allowable Torque? Mark set this to 200, (or it might be 2.00) in his base boosted map
A flat 200?
That would not be a good way to start...
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Old Jul 13, 2011 | 02:17 PM
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sounds like it automatically configures the calculated load scaling values

and no it is not more boost friendly, you just don't fully understand the Cobb system enough yet
Exactly right, it configures the load scaling automatically; you pretty much select "boosted" or "not boosted".
I call this user friendly. LOL

What is the equivalent settings in the AP software?
Is it the "forward loop gain"; as mentioned before?

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Old Jul 13, 2011 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Rote8
Exactly right, it configures the load scaling automatically;
What are you talking about?
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Old Jul 13, 2011 | 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Rote8
Exactly right, it configures the load scaling automatically; you pretty much select "boosted" or "not boosted".
I call this user friendly. LOL

No it doesn't . Try setting it back to the stock settings and see what happens to load scaling .
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Old Jul 13, 2011 | 07:02 PM
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it's not even defined in my version, but you are right it has nothing to do with that
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Old Jul 13, 2011 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
A flat 200?
That would not be a good way to start...
What would be the negative effect ?
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Old Jul 13, 2011 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Brettus
What would be the negative effect ?
We've already had that discussion.

The load "bandwidth" is elastic. By forcing load maximums to a greater resolution that can be effectively hit, you are changing the effective granularity of the load table in those ranges.
This makes it impossible to create linear fueling and timing tables.
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Old Jul 13, 2011 | 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
We've already had that discussion.
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That would be the time you started waxing lyrical about Socrates or Plato or was it Einstein ? Whatever , I just rolled my eyes and gave up trying to understand at that point.

Originally Posted by MazdaManiac

The load "bandwidth" is elastic. By forcing load maximums to a greater resolution that can be effectively hit, you are changing the effective granularity of the load table in those ranges.
This makes it impossible to create linear fueling and timing tables.
This make much more sense ... Thankyou
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Old Jul 13, 2011 | 08:37 PM
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apparently the PT Interface Manager doesn't like Windows7
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Old Sep 19, 2011 | 12:44 PM
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Ahh, this is a thread with some stuff that I was looking for! A Cobb Accessport was going to be one of the very 1st things that I buy for my RX8 (When I finally find one.) and I have been reading through the board all about the MazdaManiac tunes and his tuning schedule.

I was a bit disappointed though as I prefer doing my own tuning. I'm sure MM's tunes are great based on the board reviews and I love the fact that he does custom tunes based on the particular cars actual data rather than just a mail-order tune. It's probably the best way I've seen a tuner manage tuning cars without actually being in it.

I have worked with HPTuners VCM Suite for 4 years now and I have tuned a variety of GM engines. It's a lot of fun and there's a lot of gains to be made. But I thought that I was going to lose that tuning ability with the RX8. Now that I have discovered that there is the AccessTUNER Race programming, I am thrilled to know that I will be able to continue tuning my own vehicles.

Learning a whole new operating system will be quite taxing, plus I have to learn the way rotary engines react to various things will probably be nothing like what I used to working on. It will be a totally new experience.

I would also definitely attend a MazdaManiac tuning session. Everything I learned in the GM world, I learned from other people who have far more experience tuning than I did.
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Old Sep 19, 2011 | 12:49 PM
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^^ Love the enthusiasm!

Go for it!
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Old Dec 24, 2011 | 11:57 AM
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Calc ve tables?

OK, here is a first try, anyone care to comment?


Looks like the high load, low rpm stuff is set too high.

Have a look at the whole file -2007 manual transmission, Pettit boosted.
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Old Dec 24, 2011 | 12:13 PM
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My first question will be, "What is your reason for altering that particular map?"
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Old Dec 24, 2011 | 12:48 PM
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Especially that much ? The Ve map is intended to be a fine tuning type map...not a +/-40% type map
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Old Dec 24, 2011 | 01:40 PM
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Way to high!

It is a modifier table, not an absolute table.
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Old Dec 24, 2011 | 01:44 PM
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Yeah, holy crap. I was asking without having bothered to even look.
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Old Dec 24, 2011 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Kane
Way to high!

It is a modifier table, not an absolute table.
Originally Posted by TeamRX8
Yeah, holy crap. I was asking without having bothered to even look.
So, only scale the calculated load along the side?

I would guess more VE under boost?
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