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12-03-2008, 12:10 AM
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Here is a good shot of the rears from my install thread.
https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-wheels-tires-brakes-suspension-55/rear-aftermarket-springs-too-compressed-clunking-140015/page6/
https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-wheels-tires-brakes-suspension-55/rear-aftermarket-springs-too-compressed-clunking-140015/page6/
12-03-2008, 12:25 AM
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Here is a good shot of the rears from my install thread.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=140015&page=6
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=140015&page=6
I'll update when I learn how it all ends up. So I guess the answer is "yes" that you can see the springs with the car jacked up.
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12-03-2008, 11:42 PM
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make sure you call SPRINT.... not SWIFT.
you were calling the company of the springs swift in the start of your post, then switched to Sprint.
is the company you call Sprint? (SWIFT does not make blue springs.)
anyways, yeah, keep us informed. sorry you have to go through all of this. I wish you lived closer so I could just put them on for you.
you were calling the company of the springs swift in the start of your post, then switched to Sprint.
is the company you call Sprint? (SWIFT does not make blue springs.)
anyways, yeah, keep us informed. sorry you have to go through all of this. I wish you lived closer so I could just put them on for you.
12-04-2008, 09:01 AM
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I have Sprint Springs, I purchased them in January 207, they are BLUE!!!! I didn't install them myself but I have some pictures around here somewhere I can find, I also installed Mazdaspeed shocks at the same time, they are blue too so it paired up nicely.
12-04-2008, 01:07 PM
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dealerships are just horrible...the only thing a title like Mazda Tech means, is that they are trained to work with Mazda parts, on Mazda cars (and even in some cases they are clueless...like a tech asking how many cylinders in the RX8)....that was always my favorite.
It is horrible that we can't receive some of our money back, when we have to hold their hands and educate them about the vehicle they are about to work on.
My favorite two Mazda experiences were when they reinstalled my transmission, and overlooked the fact that they busted reverse and couldn't get 6th gear to work...driving it on the freeway, went to shift into 6th and it WASN'T there....called the dealership and the guy said..."oh, did we forget to tell you about that.."
Second was when I went o get an oil change, came back and my drivers side window visor was hanging by threads.....and thye proceeded to tell me it was brought in like that.
Oh, memories. I love dealerships.;
It is horrible that we can't receive some of our money back, when we have to hold their hands and educate them about the vehicle they are about to work on.
My favorite two Mazda experiences were when they reinstalled my transmission, and overlooked the fact that they busted reverse and couldn't get 6th gear to work...driving it on the freeway, went to shift into 6th and it WASN'T there....called the dealership and the guy said..."oh, did we forget to tell you about that.."
Second was when I went o get an oil change, came back and my drivers side window visor was hanging by threads.....and thye proceeded to tell me it was brought in like that.
Oh, memories. I love dealerships.;
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I can attest to the springs Speed sold....I was there both times those things were installed. We actually did a lot of spring installs over that 12 month period...enough so we were starting to do them in our sleep.
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12-04-2008, 01:27 PM
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thanks everyone for your "vouching" for me. 
thanks for verifying that SPRINT springs ARE BLUE.
really man. I hate to say it yet gain. but find yourself another installer. and refuse to pay for their wasted time. they also wasted your time. so its even.
Since they have seen this thread, hopefully with EVERYONE stating that they do in fact fit, and the pictures, they will admit fault and waive the fee. its ridiculous that they cant get a spring that CAME off of an RX-8 to go back on.... really, its not that hard. they fit like a glove.
thanks for verifying that SPRINT springs ARE BLUE.
really man. I hate to say it yet gain. but find yourself another installer. and refuse to pay for their wasted time. they also wasted your time. so its even.
Since they have seen this thread, hopefully with EVERYONE stating that they do in fact fit, and the pictures, they will admit fault and waive the fee. its ridiculous that they cant get a spring that CAME off of an RX-8 to go back on.... really, its not that hard. they fit like a glove.
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I think the issue of it not fitting on the perch "properly" is what Michael referred to in his post, about the spring fitting loosely until the full weight of the car is applied and the car is on the ground. I remember having to sit for days collapsing the stock springs to get them off, and then simply sliding the Sprint springs on without having to use the collapser, and having extra room to boot. The spring fits "properly" once it is on the ground.
12-04-2008, 02:31 PM
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ohhhh. is this a matter of the spring being shorter then the factory one?...... well duh.
I was/am under the impression they dont fit at all. meaning the coils dont fit AROUND the shock body... or they dont fit into the upper perch. I think i remember reading about the shock body one in an earlyer post.
I will look back.
I was/am under the impression they dont fit at all. meaning the coils dont fit AROUND the shock body... or they dont fit into the upper perch. I think i remember reading about the shock body one in an earlyer post.
I will look back.
12-04-2008, 02:32 PM
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speeddemon32,
For someone who is as "into" springs as you are, I don't understand how you could sell me Sprint springs last year that don't fit the car! I'm not sure what car you took these off of, but it wasn't an "8".
Check this thread for details of the sale:
https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-parts-sale-wanted-44/fs-all-my-rx-8-fun-parts-intake-pulleys-flywheel-springs-more-124329/
I realize it's been a long time since I bought these. I fully planned on installing them myself, and doing so with my 18 year old who's totally into cars. Thought it would be a great bonding time with him. But an Iraq deployment among other things, derailed those plans. Finally, yesterday, I dropped my 8 off at the Mazda Dealership. They just called. They said the springs don't even fit over the struts. I told them the springs were made specifically for the 8 (which I was led to believe through your ad and through PM's you and I had), and told them I thought they might be missing something on the install. I told them I'd call Sprint directly and see what I could find out.
The springs I bought from you were blue (like my 8, which I thought was cool), and we spoke in PM's of trying to be careful with them so they stayed in good shape so they'd look cool on the car when they got here). They arrived in a Sprint box which sat in my garage until yesterday.
I called Sprint today and was told that Sprint does not make blue springs for the 8, nor have they made a blue spring for the 8. I called the dealership back and told them that they were right, that the springs they have are not for an 8. I'm not sure what kind of car they are for, but they're not what I was supposedly buying from you (for my 8).
To make matters worse, the dealership is going to charge me for the time their mechanic spent taking the old springs off before realizing the part was wrong, and then having to reassemble everything. I think they said it was going to be $150 labor. (They normally get $120 per wheel from what I was told).
I will be happy to post copies of our PM's regarding this sale if you need me to remind you of it.
You seem like a good guy. I am not saying you tried intentionally to screw me on this deal, but I'm having a hard time understanding how this could have happened.
At this point, I'm out $285 (between buying the springs from you and now paying someone to try to install a part that doesn't fit my car).
Help!!!!
For someone who is as "into" springs as you are, I don't understand how you could sell me Sprint springs last year that don't fit the car! I'm not sure what car you took these off of, but it wasn't an "8".
Check this thread for details of the sale:
https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-parts-sale-wanted-44/fs-all-my-rx-8-fun-parts-intake-pulleys-flywheel-springs-more-124329/
I realize it's been a long time since I bought these. I fully planned on installing them myself, and doing so with my 18 year old who's totally into cars. Thought it would be a great bonding time with him. But an Iraq deployment among other things, derailed those plans. Finally, yesterday, I dropped my 8 off at the Mazda Dealership. They just called. They said the springs don't even fit over the struts. I told them the springs were made specifically for the 8 (which I was led to believe through your ad and through PM's you and I had), and told them I thought they might be missing something on the install. I told them I'd call Sprint directly and see what I could find out.
The springs I bought from you were blue (like my 8, which I thought was cool), and we spoke in PM's of trying to be careful with them so they stayed in good shape so they'd look cool on the car when they got here). They arrived in a Sprint box which sat in my garage until yesterday.
I called Sprint today and was told that Sprint does not make blue springs for the 8, nor have they made a blue spring for the 8. I called the dealership back and told them that they were right, that the springs they have are not for an 8. I'm not sure what kind of car they are for, but they're not what I was supposedly buying from you (for my 8).
To make matters worse, the dealership is going to charge me for the time their mechanic spent taking the old springs off before realizing the part was wrong, and then having to reassemble everything. I think they said it was going to be $150 labor. (They normally get $120 per wheel from what I was told).
I will be happy to post copies of our PM's regarding this sale if you need me to remind you of it.
You seem like a good guy. I am not saying you tried intentionally to screw me on this deal, but I'm having a hard time understanding how this could have happened.
At this point, I'm out $285 (between buying the springs from you and now paying someone to try to install a part that doesn't fit my car).
Help!!!!
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12-04-2008, 02:37 PM
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Hey. Sorry. No definitive update yet on these.
I pointed the master mechanic to this thread and he saw the pictures. He also called Swift who told him that it sounded like the springs were to a Mazda 6. Not sure what's up with that, but that didn't help convince the mechanic that these would fit the 8 at all. The engineer with Swift was supposed to call the mechanic back (not sure what he was checking on without seeing pictures of the springs or anything, because the mechanic wanted to send pics to him, but somehow, they couldn't between the two of them). Anyway, I kept insisting that those very springs were on YOUR 8, and that I was positive they'd fit. He mentioned that perhaps our suspensions were set up differently. I told him that regardless of the suspension set-up (he said maybe my GT suspension was different than what you had), the Swift springs were made for the 8 period. (Not an 8 with a particular suspension set-up).
I then pointed him to the information you guys provided that indicated what might have happened with him not being able to get the springs installed and that it was a common mistake, etc. He mentioned that when he did get one of the springs over the strut, there was quite a bit of "play" in it, and that it didn't seem like the spring "seated" correctly. I told him perhaps it was because the strut wasn't "under load" at that point, and that when there was weight on it, everything would settle in just fine. I pointed him to the pics again and told him that it seemed that the springs seated just fine from what I could see in the picture. He didn't want to install them but I kept trying to convince him that they'd go on the car. Finally he said he'd do it, but wouldn't be responsible for the result basically, because he still doubted that they were the right spring for the car.
The part # on the box was 7800, which he verified with Sprint was for the 8. Not sure then why he was "also" told that they seemed like they were for a Mazda 6. That part was definitely confusing.
This was all yesterday. I haven't heard back from the dealership since then, because I'm still waiting on a part to come in to fix something else on the car (unrelated to springs). I just wanted to get the springs done while the car was there getting worked on.
So, who knows?
Michael
I pointed the master mechanic to this thread and he saw the pictures. He also called Swift who told him that it sounded like the springs were to a Mazda 6. Not sure what's up with that, but that didn't help convince the mechanic that these would fit the 8 at all. The engineer with Swift was supposed to call the mechanic back (not sure what he was checking on without seeing pictures of the springs or anything, because the mechanic wanted to send pics to him, but somehow, they couldn't between the two of them). Anyway, I kept insisting that those very springs were on YOUR 8, and that I was positive they'd fit. He mentioned that perhaps our suspensions were set up differently. I told him that regardless of the suspension set-up (he said maybe my GT suspension was different than what you had), the Swift springs were made for the 8 period. (Not an 8 with a particular suspension set-up).
I then pointed him to the information you guys provided that indicated what might have happened with him not being able to get the springs installed and that it was a common mistake, etc. He mentioned that when he did get one of the springs over the strut, there was quite a bit of "play" in it, and that it didn't seem like the spring "seated" correctly. I told him perhaps it was because the strut wasn't "under load" at that point, and that when there was weight on it, everything would settle in just fine. I pointed him to the pics again and told him that it seemed that the springs seated just fine from what I could see in the picture. He didn't want to install them but I kept trying to convince him that they'd go on the car. Finally he said he'd do it, but wouldn't be responsible for the result basically, because he still doubted that they were the right spring for the car.
The part # on the box was 7800, which he verified with Sprint was for the 8. Not sure then why he was "also" told that they seemed like they were for a Mazda 6. That part was definitely confusing.
This was all yesterday. I haven't heard back from the dealership since then, because I'm still waiting on a part to come in to fix something else on the car (unrelated to springs). I just wanted to get the springs done while the car was there getting worked on.
So, who knows?
Michael
yup... I can see the Confussion. one day they dont fit over the struts. the next day they do, but there is play....
yup 7800 for the RX-8
"Mazda 03-07 RX-8 Sprint Springs (2.0F/2.0R) Part#7800"
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12-04-2008, 02:52 PM
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ha ha... yeah.
its frustrating because I cant see it. I cant show with my own two hands. I really wish I could just put them on for him. it would take an hour. then we could laugh about it over a beer.
They fit on MY RX-8
MY Sprint springs were blue
other members sprint springs are blue
pictures on the internet show sprint springs as blue.
part number 7800 which is on the box fits RX-8 - verified by Sprint and internet.
pictures of the exact spring shipped to you on stock RX-8 shock mounted on RX-8
Pictures of the exact same spring on Koni Shock and mounted on RX-8
I dont know what else to do......
I'm sorry Michael, but I hope you understand this is not my fault in any way shape or form. I have helped in every way I can. I think I have shown beond doubt that the springs that were sold and shipped to you are made for, and do fit an RX-8.
I hope the tech can figure it out, or not charge you. I hate to see you get screwed like this. something that should have taken an hour has taken days.
its frustrating because I cant see it. I cant show with my own two hands. I really wish I could just put them on for him. it would take an hour. then we could laugh about it over a beer.
They fit on MY RX-8
MY Sprint springs were blue
other members sprint springs are blue
pictures on the internet show sprint springs as blue.
part number 7800 which is on the box fits RX-8 - verified by Sprint and internet.
pictures of the exact spring shipped to you on stock RX-8 shock mounted on RX-8
Pictures of the exact same spring on Koni Shock and mounted on RX-8
I dont know what else to do......
I'm sorry Michael, but I hope you understand this is not my fault in any way shape or form. I have helped in every way I can. I think I have shown beond doubt that the springs that were sold and shipped to you are made for, and do fit an RX-8.
I hope the tech can figure it out, or not charge you. I hate to see you get screwed like this. something that should have taken an hour has taken days.
12-04-2008, 02:57 PM
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I can't even fathom how it is a MAZDA TECHNICIAN was unable to get a spring to fit onto a strut. Hell, when I did my spring install, I'd never in my life done it before but it wasn't rocket science.
Look, there's the strut. Oh, okay, someone hand me the spring. Oh look, it drops right in.
(Michael, this is in no way aimed at you, rather the incompetence of the technician)
Of COURSE its not going to be the same height as a stock spring, it's a LOWERING SPRING for crying out loud. If they don't believe you, have them do the same trick with a Mazdaspeed spring. The car is lower for a reason.
Look, there's the strut. Oh, okay, someone hand me the spring. Oh look, it drops right in.
(Michael, this is in no way aimed at you, rather the incompetence of the technician)Of COURSE its not going to be the same height as a stock spring, it's a LOWERING SPRING for crying out loud. If they don't believe you, have them do the same trick with a Mazdaspeed spring. The car is lower for a reason.
12-04-2008, 05:45 PM
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My Swifts were 3" shorter than OEM on the front springs and the same length in the rear. The rears dropped due to the softer initial rate and the fronts...well they dropped because THEY WERE SHORTER!
I'm still not sure what the tech is talking about. You put the top mounts back on the shock rod and torque it down and as long as the spring length is longer than the total length from the shock perch to the top mount with the shock rod fully extended it will still put pre-load on the springs. Just not as much as OEM. Which is fine.
I'm still not sure what the tech is talking about. You put the top mounts back on the shock rod and torque it down and as long as the spring length is longer than the total length from the shock perch to the top mount with the shock rod fully extended it will still put pre-load on the springs. Just not as much as OEM. Which is fine.
12-05-2008, 12:56 AM
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My Swifts were 3" shorter than OEM on the front springs and the same length in the rear. The rears dropped due to the softer initial rate and the fronts...well they dropped because THEY WERE SHORTER!
I'm still not sure what the tech is talking about. You put the top mounts back on the shock rod and torque it down and as long as the spring length is longer than the total length from the shock perch to the top mount with the shock rod fully extended it will still put pre-load on the springs. Just not as much as OEM. Which is fine.
I'm still not sure what the tech is talking about. You put the top mounts back on the shock rod and torque it down and as long as the spring length is longer than the total length from the shock perch to the top mount with the shock rod fully extended it will still put pre-load on the springs. Just not as much as OEM. Which is fine.
I haven't picked up the car yet, so I can't vouch for how it rides at all. Still waiting on another part to come in unrelated to the suspension.
speeddemon32, you'd provided what I believe to be definitive proof that these shocks that I have fit on the 8. The others who have contributed to this topic with first hand experience with Sprint springs on the 8 (blue ones!) and who have helped you install these on YOUR 8 also add to the evidence. I have no issues with you at ALL. My only hope is that these were installed correctly and that they'll work well.
*****One thing the tech said to me after installing them and taking a test drive was that he thought they were going to cause the tires to rub in the wheel well. He said that he estimates they drop the car 3" whereas I thought I remembered reading that they didn't drop it nearly that much. I don't mind the 3" drop...I just don't want the tires to rub against the wheel wells. Again, this is more of the same from the tech "I'll install them, but after that, I'm not responsible. I think the tires may rub in the wheel well." All of that wasn't said one after the other, but definitely in the same conversation.
Did you experience this problem with them? Is that why you went with something else? Do you think they'll rub too?
Thanks to everyone. This forum is amazing because of folks like you who add your expertise and experience to people who would otherwise be clueless, like me. Thank you.
Michael
12-05-2008, 01:03 AM
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3" seems a bit much. The way to measure your ride height drop is to measure from the ground to the top of the wheel arches with a tape measure through the centercap of the wheel. My car currently sits at 26.5" from the ground to the top of the wheel arches. That is about 1-1.25" drop.
did you get the car aligned? If not you definitely should do this as soon as you can after the install as the lower right height affects the alignment. If this is improper you could rub the wheels on the suspension.
The dealer could do it or a local alignment shop.
Here is how you measure your suspension travel:
1)Measure the height from the spring perch to the top of the springs with the car on the ground "at rest" on a level surface.
2)Then jack up the car so the wheel is off the ground and take the same measurement. The difference between the measurements is your suspension travel. Stock is about 3.5-4" difference. I have about 3" of travel with my Swift springs and do not rub on the wheel wells.
did you get the car aligned? If not you definitely should do this as soon as you can after the install as the lower right height affects the alignment. If this is improper you could rub the wheels on the suspension.
The dealer could do it or a local alignment shop.
Here is how you measure your suspension travel:
1)Measure the height from the spring perch to the top of the springs with the car on the ground "at rest" on a level surface.
2)Then jack up the car so the wheel is off the ground and take the same measurement. The difference between the measurements is your suspension travel. Stock is about 3.5-4" difference. I have about 3" of travel with my Swift springs and do not rub on the wheel wells.
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3" seems a bit much. The way to measure your ride height drop is to measure from the ground to the top of the wheel arches with a tape measure through the centercap of the wheel. My car currently sits at 26.5" from the ground to the top of the wheel arches. That is about 1-1.25" drop.
did you get the car aligned? If not you definitely should do this as soon as you can after the install as the lower right height affects the alignment. If this is improper you could rub the wheels on the suspension.
The dealer could do it or a local alignment shop.
Here is how you measure your suspension travel:
1)Measure the height from the spring perch to the top of the springs with the car on the ground "at rest" on a level surface.
2)Then jack up the car so the wheel is off the ground and take the same measurement. The difference between the measurements is your suspension travel. Stock is about 3.5-4" difference. I have about 3" of travel with my Swift springs and do not rub on the wheel wells.
did you get the car aligned? If not you definitely should do this as soon as you can after the install as the lower right height affects the alignment. If this is improper you could rub the wheels on the suspension.
The dealer could do it or a local alignment shop.
Here is how you measure your suspension travel:
1)Measure the height from the spring perch to the top of the springs with the car on the ground "at rest" on a level surface.
2)Then jack up the car so the wheel is off the ground and take the same measurement. The difference between the measurements is your suspension travel. Stock is about 3.5-4" difference. I have about 3" of travel with my Swift springs and do not rub on the wheel wells.
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12-05-2008, 09:17 AM
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they advertise 2" drop. what it really is..... I dont know. I never did neasure it. but it is quite a drop! iremember telling you that they were the biggest drop springs that I know of. look at the p ictures of my car, they are LOW! I loved them.
with stock wheels and tires and aftermarket Axis Hiros, they did not rub. you should expect the same.
and yeah.... get an alignment.
with stock wheels and tires and aftermarket Axis Hiros, they did not rub. you should expect the same.
and yeah.... get an alignment.
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Those Sprint Springs are the most significant drop spring available for the 8. You will not be able to safely put any aftermarket body kits on this drop.....speed definately bottomed out alot on driveway entrances/exits and such....you could definately tell each time we did work underneath his car.
I don't think he was going to be able to fit 19's with that drop either, which is one reason why he stuck with stock sized aftermarket wheels. I believe the wheels were the same size as stock 18x8 +50 offset.
Speed, did you go with a narrow tire over stock, or were they stock sized as well.
The ride quality (for street), I beleive was much better when he had the springs on the stock struts...the ride was very harsh (for street) on the Koni yellows. But the setup was great for autocross....the camber he was able to pull out of that suspension was amazing.....but this would directly affect tire wear on the inside of the tire (not from rubbing on the wheel well, but from the aggressive angle the tire was at when it met the street).
Get an alignment, a must after doing any suspension work. The alignment shop will show you what a stock alignment should be, what your car is currently following the suspension install, and then they will try to get it back to OEM settings as much as possible. Expect some more tire wear over a stock setup though. How much to expect, not really sure because driving conditions and drivers vary.
I got good tire wear with my setup, but I drove 99% freeway when I owned the car, and consistently got better gas mileage and tire wear than guys in our San Bernardino group.
I don't think he was going to be able to fit 19's with that drop either, which is one reason why he stuck with stock sized aftermarket wheels. I believe the wheels were the same size as stock 18x8 +50 offset.
Speed, did you go with a narrow tire over stock, or were they stock sized as well.
The ride quality (for street), I beleive was much better when he had the springs on the stock struts...the ride was very harsh (for street) on the Koni yellows. But the setup was great for autocross....the camber he was able to pull out of that suspension was amazing.....but this would directly affect tire wear on the inside of the tire (not from rubbing on the wheel well, but from the aggressive angle the tire was at when it met the street).
Get an alignment, a must after doing any suspension work. The alignment shop will show you what a stock alignment should be, what your car is currently following the suspension install, and then they will try to get it back to OEM settings as much as possible. Expect some more tire wear over a stock setup though. How much to expect, not really sure because driving conditions and drivers vary.
I got good tire wear with my setup, but I drove 99% freeway when I owned the car, and consistently got better gas mileage and tire wear than guys in our San Bernardino group.
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Awesome, guys.
My car's finally ready to be picked up. I can only assume the Sprints were installed correctly. There's only ONE way they could have gone on, right? So, if he got everything buttoned back up, I ought to be in good shape after the alignment, I hope. (Is there a smiley for having your fingers crossed?)
there....
I'll report back when I get her home.
Thanks again to everyone!!! Hope to bring you good news.
Michael
My car's finally ready to be picked up. I can only assume the Sprints were installed correctly. There's only ONE way they could have gone on, right? So, if he got everything buttoned back up, I ought to be in good shape after the alignment, I hope. (Is there a smiley for having your fingers crossed?)
there....I'll report back when I get her home.
Thanks again to everyone!!! Hope to bring you good news.
Michael