RX8 hand held Flash tuner?
01-02-2006, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by fastsvtss
The number of flashes are pretty much endless. There isn't a limit as to how many times you can reflash this chip.
Japan8 is correct about the factory ecm, it is powerful enough to handle quite a bit. It's just a matter of understanding it.
Japan8 is correct about the factory ecm, it is powerful enough to handle quite a bit. It's just a matter of understanding it.
I thought you are talking about a system that will flash the factory PCM?
The EEPROM definately has a flashing limit - probably in the hundreds - before it will fail.
If this is a device that must remain connected to the PCM then never mind...
01-02-2006, 11:57 AM
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Jeff,
From that article Japan8 posted: "Mike Freedman of XLR8 Racing navigates through the screens of the Predator and finds the ProCharger-specific tune-up. Uploading it into the Mustang's computer was easy. It plugs into the diagnostic port located beneath the dashboard on the driver side. The handheld tuner sucks out the factory program and then uploads the modified one. Instead of replacing a computer chip, the Predator reflashes the computer when installing the program. It is an alternative method to changing or adding a computer chip. The Mustang fired right up and was ready to rock and roll."
So fastsvtss, is this the Predator you are talking about?
From that article Japan8 posted: "Mike Freedman of XLR8 Racing navigates through the screens of the Predator and finds the ProCharger-specific tune-up. Uploading it into the Mustang's computer was easy. It plugs into the diagnostic port located beneath the dashboard on the driver side. The handheld tuner sucks out the factory program and then uploads the modified one. Instead of replacing a computer chip, the Predator reflashes the computer when installing the program. It is an alternative method to changing or adding a computer chip. The Mustang fired right up and was ready to rock and roll."
So fastsvtss, is this the Predator you are talking about?
01-02-2006, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Now, wait a minute.
I thought you are talking about a system that will flash the factory PCM?
The EEPROM definately has a flashing limit - probably in the hundreds - before it will fail.
If this is a device that must remain connected to the PCM then never mind...
I thought you are talking about a system that will flash the factory PCM?
The EEPROM definately has a flashing limit - probably in the hundreds - before it will fail.
If this is a device that must remain connected to the PCM then never mind...
Yes, flash memory wears out after a certain number of flashes, but seriously, I pulled up a $1.75 chip off of mouser made by sharp electrics, it holds 64 meg and offers 100,000 flashes MINIMUM.
So I really think we'd need to know the specific part on the ECU to know how many flashes it'll take.
01-02-2006, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by fastsvtss
Are there any guys in the Orlando, Florida area that would be interested in allowing us to use their vehicle(s) for testing? It may be a modified vehicle or stock (doesn't matter at this time). It may be another week or so until we're ready but I would like to start to line things up.
I am interested, I have an 04 6 speed Gredy exhaust, racing beat revi & ram air intake. I am in Orlando
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01-02-2006, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by fastsvtss
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One of my main questions would be...If you were designing our software, what areas of adjustments would you like to have control of (fuel, timing, limiters etc...)? Your input here would be extremely helpful?
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One of my main questions would be...If you were designing our software, what areas of adjustments would you like to have control of (fuel, timing, limiters etc...)? Your input here would be extremely helpful?
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Some other companies have managed to come right to the point where you are (downloading, modifying, uploading maps). The problem is the knowledge of calibration. Where are the maps? Where is the map that gives idle RPM vs. ECT? Where is the scalar that defines the catalyst max temperature? It's there somewhere in an ocean of data. Are you going to identify all the parameters?
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01-02-2006, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Ajax
You can't really say that unless you look up the specifications on that EEPROM.
Yes, flash memory wears out after a certain number of flashes, but seriously, I pulled up a $1.75 chip off of mouser made by sharp electrics, it holds 64 meg and offers 100,000 flashes MINIMUM.
So I really think we'd need to know the specific part on the ECU to know how many flashes it'll take.
Yes, flash memory wears out after a certain number of flashes, but seriously, I pulled up a $1.75 chip off of mouser made by sharp electrics, it holds 64 meg and offers 100,000 flashes MINIMUM.
So I really think we'd need to know the specific part on the ECU to know how many flashes it'll take.
01-02-2006, 06:22 PM
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MazdaManiac: Well, lets just say that the Flash lifecycle will likelyl outlast anyone flashing their vehicle. The number of flashes would be well into the thousands before you reach failure. This device does not remain connected to the vehicle's pcm. You plug into the diagnostic port, flash the vehicle and then unplug it.
Nemesis8: No this is not the Predator. Our product has nothing to do with DiabloSport. My understanding is that they've already admitted (along with others) that they can't do it (Flash the Mazda's) or that they're just not interested.
Tigster: That's great. Lets try to set something up during the week of January 9th. Whichever day is good for you, just give me some heads up.
Rasputin: How detailed our product will be depends on how much time we have put into it by the time of release. That's not to say that we'll release a product that hasn't been thoroughly tested. We will not do that. However, what could happen is that we release a product (or software) that WORKS which should address the necessary maps, scalars and/or functions to enhance the vehicle's performance. As you might know, it will take quite a bit of time to find and lable every map, scalar and function.
Don't forget, I'm still trying to confirm that there is a large enough demand to justify the dedicated engineering and R&D that's needed. Also, as you may know, electronics evolve. There could be several updates (along the way) that are more sophistacated than the previous version.
Nemesis8: No this is not the Predator. Our product has nothing to do with DiabloSport. My understanding is that they've already admitted (along with others) that they can't do it (Flash the Mazda's) or that they're just not interested.
Tigster: That's great. Lets try to set something up during the week of January 9th. Whichever day is good for you, just give me some heads up.
Rasputin: How detailed our product will be depends on how much time we have put into it by the time of release. That's not to say that we'll release a product that hasn't been thoroughly tested. We will not do that. However, what could happen is that we release a product (or software) that WORKS which should address the necessary maps, scalars and/or functions to enhance the vehicle's performance. As you might know, it will take quite a bit of time to find and lable every map, scalar and function.
Don't forget, I'm still trying to confirm that there is a large enough demand to justify the dedicated engineering and R&D that's needed. Also, as you may know, electronics evolve. There could be several updates (along the way) that are more sophistacated than the previous version.
01-02-2006, 07:58 PM
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That should be fine, I sent you a private message for more information. The link is at the top right of the screen to read them. Can you post who you work for, I have seen someone else mention a procharger system is this the same?
That should be fine, I sent you a private message for more information. The link is at the top right of the screen to read them. Can you post who you work for, I have seen someone else mention a procharger system is this the same?
01-03-2006, 07:41 AM
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I would be interested only if you would give the company name, so that I may do a little bit of research on it. Like to see what you have done with other vehicles.
01-03-2006, 10:56 AM
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01-03-2006, 02:29 PM
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Make it happen, and the pioneers will give you feedbacks that will make or break your market. This community is results-driven. If you give us what we want for the right price, everyone's going to jump on your product to the point where you have to back-order more than half the demand.
I'm sure they can pull it off. It's been done before, but nobody's willing to mass-produce the solution. This market is up for grabs. Be the first and only to provide this mod. We're all just waiting for something like this to happen. And no more piggybacks for us!
I'm sure they can pull it off. It's been done before, but nobody's willing to mass-produce the solution. This market is up for grabs. Be the first and only to provide this mod. We're all just waiting for something like this to happen. And no more piggybacks for us!
01-03-2006, 05:18 PM
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If you are worried about interests, look at the Interseptor X. People where all over this but the only thing some people hold back was because the price (IMO). Now if you bring this out and the test rat is happy with it, trust me you will have back orders specially for the price handheld tunners go for.
01-04-2006, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by fastsvtss
Wow, there is some interest. Sorry for taking so long to respond to some of the questions and concerns. I was only in the office a short time yesterday, then I was off getting ready to celebrate the new year.
One thing I can tell you right now is that we have already been successful flashing the RX8, Mazda 3 & Mazda 6 computers. It's really not a matter of whether we can do it. It's a matter of whether there's enough interest to justify spending the needed time to get seriously deeper into all the different areas of tuning. We will do this project no matter what. The purpose of this post was to help us determine whether we'll complete it within the next month or so or finish it later on in the year. What I mean by this is that we have many projects that we are currently finishing and working on and the RX8 is just one we recently stumbled across and found that it's pretty simple and can be completed realatively quickly. If the interest is great enough, we will need test vehicles during the month of January. Any Central Florida locals?
One of my main questions would be...If you were designing our software, what areas of adjustments would you like to have control of (fuel, timing, limiters etc...)? Your input here would be extremely helpful?
As far as other products that we have developed already, anyone and everyone is more than welcome to stop by our facilities and see exactly what we're up to, what we have and what we're going to be releasing.
One thing I can tell you right now is that we have already been successful flashing the RX8, Mazda 3 & Mazda 6 computers. It's really not a matter of whether we can do it. It's a matter of whether there's enough interest to justify spending the needed time to get seriously deeper into all the different areas of tuning. We will do this project no matter what. The purpose of this post was to help us determine whether we'll complete it within the next month or so or finish it later on in the year. What I mean by this is that we have many projects that we are currently finishing and working on and the RX8 is just one we recently stumbled across and found that it's pretty simple and can be completed realatively quickly. If the interest is great enough, we will need test vehicles during the month of January. Any Central Florida locals?
One of my main questions would be...If you were designing our software, what areas of adjustments would you like to have control of (fuel, timing, limiters etc...)? Your input here would be extremely helpful?
As far as other products that we have developed already, anyone and everyone is more than welcome to stop by our facilities and see exactly what we're up to, what we have and what we're going to be releasing.
Many Jap. domestic model drivers (me) would also love to get rid of the top-speed limiter
01-04-2006, 08:26 AM
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