crossbow

I live next to washington, DC...so when I hear "washington", I immediately think DC.

I believe your side of the story, but its kinda of off key with other members. My own experience with RB hasn't been that great, but I don't have any particular reason to try and slander them because of it.

Fanman

dDub interesting story, but in what way does this relate to their experience with rotaries ? You might question their business ethics, but this does not relate to their experience in working R&D with the rotaries.

rotarygod

Let's see, the fact that they've been in business longer than any other rotary company in the country is a pretty strong reason why they have more experience. That just doesn't sound like an opinion. If I were to say that I thought based on their claims that they must have the most experience, that would be an opinion. What I stated is fact. They were the first in the country to use fuel injection on a rotary, they were the first here to supercharge a rotary in the country, the first to turbocharge a rotary in the country, they have developed may commonly accepted products we see out there now for the rotaries including the Holley intake manifold which is the single best flowing manifold out there for a rotary. They have numerous Bonneville records. They had early NHRA records in the 70s before imports really took off. They work directly with Mazda on development of special projects. I don't know of another company that Mazda will do this with. Yep, it sounds like they don't have the experience that other shops do. Name 1 other shop in the country who can touch this list. I'll wait. What you will probably come up with is a drag car and everyone has one of those.

So your hatred for them doesn't come from personal experience with them but from the fact that you know a person who knew a person who knew them in the early 70's and had his ideas stolen by them? I heard the same thing in highschool all the time. That's how rumors start. It is never the actual victim that seems to spread the rumors. It is always someone that knew them. Funny how that works.

Fanman

Here we have Rotor/Prober the resident RB hater.

Their 25 whp claim is for their full exhaust (race pipe & cat back exhaust), while the 4 hp gain you quote from RB is for their cat back alone. They (RB) is claiming with a full race exhaust they are looking at 10-12 hp (not the 4 whp you are stating), also I am deeply skeptical of this claimed 25whp that Turbo XS is claiming. Even with another vendor like RP is showing about an 8-9 hp gain from their high flow cat, so the other 15 hp is coming from a cat back ???? I have seen 4.6Mustangs with full length headers, X Pipes & Cat back get only 25 whp. Again you keep believing vendor dynoes, I'll wait until several reputable posters dyno their cars and put up their #'s.

swoope

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what he said,

do we need a **** and moan about vendors we love / hate section.

beers

mikeb

LOL
we already have a section for that

swoope

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yea i know.

was hoping this might move.

beers

mikeb

oh my bad

ddub

How long exactly have they been in business? Pineapple Racing has been around since the late 70's from what I recall, possibly early 80's, so they have been around as long or nearly as long.

You know, that's all well and good, but who cares what "comapny" did something first? There were individuals who did all this before them, but just because a company does it that makes it more special or different? Just like in any business or service, a business will do it once there becomes a market, and the way a market is created (most of the time) is from others wanting it or trying to do it themselves and a need or desire developing. There were people running turbos on old rx4 race cars before RB ever experimented with it, but who cares.

No, you're either misunderstanding me or twisting my words. I know a person who worked with the original owner/starter of Racing Beat. Nothing like knowing a guy who knew a guy who worked with a guy that worked at Racing Beat that you seem to be insinuating. He worked with the guy that started it, period.

He has told me countless stories of when he raced rotaries back in the 70's, talked to RB when they first started, shared ideas with them, and eventually got stabbed in the back. However, he doesn't care too much considering he was ready to quit the racing game anyways, it was bankrupting him since he had no sponsorship.

I don't see the big deal in knowing someone that worked with the original owner? He has first hand experience, I have 2nd hand accounts, that's as far as it goes. He actually still has contact with the owner/s of the company.

Also as a final note because this is getting stupid. Who cares if a company has been around for a long time? How does that make what they are doing NOW the best or good in any way? Any company that does a good job in the past and builds up a reputation can continue business making inferior or mediocre products, merely because they have an established reputation. How long it lasts, though, is the question.

ddub

My point was they do not do as much "R&D" as they claim. They steal ideas and designs to cut down on costs, and then claim they did extreme amounts of research to justify their overly high prices. Of course this is not every product they carry, I am in no way saying this, just some stuff. The majority of which happened in their early years.

My main point is that RB has overpriced products that do not perform in a justifiable way for cost, not necessarily their business intentions. I might have forgotten to mention that part when I got caught up in things.

Japan8

*cough*GM*cough*

ddub

HAHA, that's a good one :D

rotarygod

Racing Beat opened it's doors in 1971. By the late 70's they'd already created the first turbo, supercharged, and fuel injected rotaries here as well as already having a Bonneville speed record, and IMSA and NHRA racing success. Another company opening almost a decade later does not mean they've been around "nearly as long" and they would definitely be far behind in experience with no accolades to back up their work. Just because someone first tore apart a motor in the 70's does not make them an expert at it back then regardless of how good they are today. The whole point was to establish that they have been around longer and have done more. They have. You should have known how old they were if you really truly do know a guy who was affiliated with them in the beginning. Speaking of him, name him. I'm going to call this one out. If I don't get it, it's not true. We need some credibility and I want proof as everything up to this point has been speculation. Anyone can say they know someone who did something somewhere at some point, so prove it! I'll wait. I want to call RB and ask them their side of the story on the issue to verify it since there are always 2 sides to a story. One thing I have learned though is that it's usually the troublemakers who are most adamant about their side of the issue and they or their friends are usually the ones to blow things out of proportion.

If you don't think they do much R&D, you've never been there. I've seen alot of it. I've touched alot of it. Many have. It's there. They just don't publicise most of it.

To say that a company does not have products that perform in a way that is justifiable by cost is merely an opinion. You got on my case because you mistook a known fact for an opinion (how?) so I would at least expect you not add your own opinions either.

What do you mean who cares about a company when individuals did things earlier? You yourself were arguing against RB which is a company and now you'd rather make it against an individual! Don't sidestep the issue. Again, name someone (in addition to a company) outside of Mazda who was working with rotary development back in 1971. I'll wait. This time I want a person's name. Remember the company started in '71. The people started on rotaries earlier than that! I'm still waiting for a company name that has been around as long as they have been here in the US. Pineapple was a nice try. Rob himself has been working on rotaries since the 70's but there was no Pineapple Racing then. Nearly a decade off. If you do happen to think of a company, are they still around today? That should make things even more interesting.

As a final thought, I'm not the one who has made this thread stupid. I'm merely trying to correct it as so far nothing against RB has been correct and verifiable.

Yes people I undestand this is an OBX header thread but if someone hadn't have gotten off topic to insult a very credible company which is rare today, this wouldn't have happened in the first place.

toca

thank u im tried of hearing companys and people getting bashed on here its gets old

ddub

Nolan Koreski.

TeamRX8

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LOL, the gushing for RB is so great here you can't even say that some of their parts are mediocre performance without being labeled a "basher" even though by their own admission they don't release cutting edge parts for the RX-8.

On the flipside, their quality appears to always be first class.

army_rx8

^true true..and they really owned up with my debacle with my cluch assembly..even though they couldn't find anythign wrong with it (so they said it was teh installer)..but the installer said it was parts....they gave me my money back....they didn't have to since they couldn't find anything wrong..they did it b/c i was getting the short end of someones stick and they helped out

i tote several of their produscts as well......they are great in my opinion. opps tha twas off topic....sorry everyone.

hehe i would like to hear about the answer to carbonrx8's ? as well

zoom44

Rob knows what he's doing too. YOu should respect him AND Jim Mederer


The "company" is Jim Mederer and he didnt "do it once there was a market" He BUILT THE FRIGGIN MARKET



They dont rest on their laurels, they prove everything they do over and over. Go there and let them show you how they do things. Do they make the BEST product for every situation for each person? no and no company could do that. But every product they make is excellent quality and has be proven to do what they say. Thats how they built their reputation and thats how they maintain it. The product they make not suit you? It only makes 8 hp instead of 15 from someone else? fine buy the other one- but dont go slamming the product because it didnt suit your needs. You slam a product for making false claims(coolingmist) or for making your car run crappy (1st k&n intake) or it broke easily( after market cheap copy front bumpers) thats fine.

therm8

Bah!

Go hijack a less interesting thread with the propoganda please.

zoom44

that may be true of some people - im responding to the posts calling them liars and thieves.

ddub

Never said anything bad about Pineapple, and I'm not going to get into that discussion here but they have their seperate issues.

And he did not build the market, he merely made it easier. There was a market and many individuals doing rotary stuff before him as well as isolated shops in many areas. RB was just the first "large" company to do anything.

Never said anything about RB's quality, their qaulity is top notch. You are confusing what I was saying I think.

ddub

You never actually proved they are not liars or thieves, you merely said their quality was good and you "think" they built the market. Once again you are confusing two seperate topics.

zoom44

btw they were building RX-2 racers in 1971 so they were there before the RX-4 crowd you mention.

zoom44

i will respond to the thieves part after Mr. Koreski responds to my email.

MadDog

PLEASE KILL THIS GODDAM THREAD!

You people sicken me. I've never seen people with such a hard-on for a company before....

This thread is now worthless. Just delete it and carry-on via PM.