mazdaexe

thx for the info

glad im local :D

zoom44

you woul dhave achoice to make- is the new mazda flash something that corrects a problem you are facing? is it so important that you have to have it?

if the answer is yes then the choice would be to have mazda flash the car and then have RB reflash it with their code.

if the answer to the questions above is no then you tell your service people to under no circumstances are they to flash your car. if you dont authorise it they arent allowed to do it. you stick with your Racing Beat flash.

of course this brings up a different question- what is the base for the RB flash. the base would have to be a Mazda flash. which flash is the base? well since this new flash is going to be a Recall for the 2004s Racing Beat will probably base the 2004 car flash they release on the S/T code. so their flash will have the important part of the new mazda code +the improvements to fuel and timing etcetc that they have made

that takes us back to getting the first answer i gave and whether its a recall. if its a recall and you care about the resale value of your car then you will get it don by the dealer and then by racing beat. if you dotn care about the resale then just get the new RB flash to cove rthe problem.

I cant speak for RB but i would suspect they would find a way to accomadate folks who need the RB flash redone. call them and ask. or jus twait fdor awhile until they rtelease the full details.

zoom44

see you can just ask them or wait for more details when they are ready to release it

Skiptomylue

This is great news, i hope the flash helps breather mods. so we can more pwoer for the amount of money all of are spending.... on exhaust and waht not, hopefully this will help us get our bang for the buck that everyone is looking for..

r0tor

iTrader: (1)

My main questions would be..

are they just adjusting fuel / timing or are they also making improvements to port timings, OMP settings, cat protection strategies, throttle response, ect?


If the answer is they are just adjusting Fuel / Timing then the Cobb solution will probably be better when/if it arrives (especially since that will come with a programmer). Since RB has the source code they could be making further adjustments in these other areas which could make thier flash superior.

Skiptomylue

my question is how it will react with the people running the INter-x, will that flash also up the hp on the Interx? or wil lyou have to retune the interx to accomidate the new flash coming out?

mysql101

the rb flash works by leaning the fuel maps. the int-x controls the fuel and bypasses the car's pcm. So getting the rb flash would be a waste of time and money.

I just read about cobb's flash. I'll let Mike explain it since he's the one who got the into. But the quick and dirty version: they're going to be doing a fully tunable pcm flasher for the RX-8. They get the required hardware in Oct, and so I expect something by the end of the year. It will even let you disable CEL warning for missing cat if you're running a midpipe. Handheld unit lets you download the firmware, make changes and push it back to the car.

Here's what it looks like for the wrx:

http://www.cobbtuning.com/wrx/ap-streettuner.html

Price tag is great too.

Moostafa29

^You summed it up nicely. I don't have anything to add about the details. I will say that the release date is tentative, so please don't hold them to it, or start hounding them if for somet reason it is not released this year. This will be a quality product, and a good alternative for people who want something a little more aggressive than RB has to offer.

zoom44

they can change anything the PCM controls. fans, fuel, timing, redline etc etc. of course we'll have to wait fro more info from them when they release it what they have changed. of course timing and fuel.

olddragger

iTrader: (3)

spoke with RB today. their flash has upped the redline to 9.3K and the power increase told to me was 15hp in the upper rpm's. It also changes the time of the fans activating(did not give details). It is a flash so if your car is recalled and they flash over it then it will be lost. It was ready and I was quoted the cost to be $200 but BECAUSE they have heard of yet another factory flash reported to be coming they have put it on hold until they know more about it.
They also said that the flash does take into account the usual mods(intake, cat backs etc) but no to FI.
Waiting patiently
olddragger

IZoomZoomI

COBB tuning definetly is something that sounds very promising, and definetly something that could adapt to people that are looking into FI in the future.

mikeschaefer

Pretty good news, thanks for calling them!
I'm assuming it takes into account N/A mods because it tells the PCM to tune itself for a particular air/fuel ratio. It doesn't work the same for FI because different AFR's are desired for FI (more rich!), not to mention other variables such as timing.
Having this flash done for $200 pretty much sounds like it would be best for those saving up for FI, but wanting to max out the potential of any N/A mods that they throw on. Too bad new factory flashes overwrite it though!

wokuku

$200 - $300 for a reflash is a really really good price considering that Hondata charges $590 to reflash the RSX Type - S and it didn't take them nearly as long to crack the ECU.

crimson-rain

hmmmm, 8s generally dyno on the average at about 180whp. Given the average mods of CAI, exhaust, and highflow cat, and the fact that RB just said they are looking at +15hp, with a flywheel dropped into the equation, I wonder what kind of gains to the wheel are possible?

205 - 215whp realistically?????

But it sure would be nice to see 225 - 230whp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Madhops

Is that 15HP to the wheels !?! If so sign me up, that's pretty impressive.

rotary crazy

I dont think 225 to 230 rwhp street legal are realistic, but i read some where that amemiya got 220 rwhp with all bolts on and a reflash

crimson-rain

OK folks just got off the phone with RB.

They tested the 8 with stock air box and exhaust and saw ~6-8hp increase. With the RB CAI (SR and duct) and RB exhaust they saw ~12-15hp. As far as the issue with getting reflashed by Mazda, they are working on a plan that allows a person to get there ECU reflashed by them at a big discount if the origninal (RB flash that is) gets written over. Basically, the first time you buy the flash it's full price and there after its discounted.

Also, for people who aren't close to an RB dealer, you can send your ECU to them and they'll flash it and send it back to you. Right now they are pretty much just waiting on Mazda's new flash. Basically, if the flash does something that interfears (spellcheck) with there coding, some changes may need to take place. '04s, '05s, and '06s are different so all of them will be handled differently.

As far as midpipes, high-flow CAT, flywheels, and pulleys being taken into account ... who knows. Factor the RB header in the equation, we might see some pretty good power curves for NA 8s.

crimson-rain

I've read that somewhere too. It was a white 8 with the weirdest kit I've ever seen. A lot of fiber used in the kit too.

dmp

Did they mention the rpm-duration of the reported gains? Without a time scale, those gains don't mean anything. Perhaps we'll have to wait for the dyno?

Side note/Rant:

Does it bother anyone else that we (rx8 owners) have to go to these lengths to get what our cars SHOULD be producing, stock? I mean, old skewl 5.0L Mustangs, rated at 220hp would dyno in the 170s - but we've come a long way since. Right??

Sorry, Charlie - I know, I know...Mazda's HP numbers are a different thread...

lol

crimson-rain

Yeah, pretty much we are going to have to wait for dyno graphs. Especially since they are waiting for Mazda's new flash. Things might change.

The person I spoke to did say there were like 4 or 5 people running round with the RB flashes. My guess would be for testing purposes and all 04s. If any of these guys are on this board, they may have been asked not to post any dyno numbers until the flash is ready for release.

To be honest, I am wondering what the gas mileage will be after the flash (putting on fire suit right now).

dmp

Between MPG and HP - I think most owners would ask just to get what they thought they purchased in the first place, eh? :-/


Maybe I'll call RB and offer to send in my ECU to test MORE for them?

mysql101

your gas mileage, if it changes, would change for the better, since they're leaning out the fuel.

Skiptomylue

ok, so what about the exhaust and intakes that claim High Hp, like said borla, claims an extra 10?just with the RB exhuast and stuff the got 15, but other markets, maybe more freesflowing, might see more? and i guess all rx-8s are differnt.. so some mods with this new flash may work differnt and give better gains ?

anyword on how the 05s are coming?
btw, mines an 05 model, but is there for the vehicles that or 04 models, or that were made in 04? because i know my car may be on 05 model, but could have been built in 04? how do you check when it was built??

rotarygod

It's only going to change if you drive at full throttle all day as that's the only part of the maps that have changed. Lower load points such as where you normally drive have not been touched.

dmp

I'm having trouble figuring out what you're asking. I suppose you could be asking "What do OTHER makes of Catbacks and Intakes do with RB's Re-programmed ECU?"

If that's what you're asking I'm quite sure we'll wait until somebody WITH other makes of exhausts and intakes tests it out. It's quite certain it's not RB's job to test their ECU with every or even OTHER makers stuff.


FWIW, if Borla claims the average RX8 gains 10HP w/ their exhaust they are lying SOBs.

Wow - that's a rough paragraph bro. Settle down.

The ECU works well with the 2004 Model ECU. The others are pending. That answer your question? Check your build date by running your VIN or looking at the data panel on your car's door jam post thingy.