MazdaManiac

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Incorrect dwell is not likely to "blow" your motor.
You just get incomplete ignition and it goes flat.
I've intentionally under-dwelled my setup and all it does is jack the EGTs way up.



Yes. I would tell you to turn the net coil dwell up to 5ms.
How yo actually do that is up to you.
I don't support the Hymee software as I am not a tuner that utilizes it, I do not own it and I am not familiar with it.
Perhaps Hymee could help you out with that since he should, in theory, understand how the Mazda dwell table actually works.

Everyone is acting like I'm not saying what to do about this "issue" if you are looking to play around with it.
Five f-ing milliseconds.
Just do it.
If you don't know how to do it, what is the compelling reason for me to show you how?
Put the gun to your head and pull the trigger. You don't need my instruction.

RK

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So we'll just plug in the 5ms into the magic field into whatever tuning software we use. Sweet. Thanks for that.

The compelling reason should be that you could save people a lot of wasted time by either explaining the relationship of the values in the dwell setting tables or by showing a 'BHR Coil' dwell setting table.

You're right that eventually someone will figure it out. Which is why it's so stupid that you won't help. You don't gain anything by not helping, you make BHR appear significantly less responsive to customer support, and you don't get to do your favorite thing and toot your own horn. It's one thing when your philosophy is applied to general tuning or AP tuning. It's another thing when your philosophy is applied to supporting a product you helped manufacture.

Charles R. Hill

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The problem, RK, is that we don't have near the experience with the other tuning softwares out there and it would be rather simple for anyone to contact GReddy, Microtech, Hymee, etc., and ask THEM how to go about getting the dwell we are specifying. I can see the conflict as it relates to the Cobb and that is a hair-splitter, for sure, and I am not sure what my individual opinion is. Kane has one perspective, Jeff another, mine is in-between, and so forth.

As has been said already, I am screwed no matter which way I turn or which decision I make so......

Socket7

RK. Let me be honest with you.

You have no business going FI.

Not only have you demonstrated a lack of understanding of engine management software, you've demonstrated an outright refusal even try to understand what people are telling you over and over and over.

Part of doing it yourself is figuring it out on your own. That's why people are willing to pay people like MM to fly out to their home and install a and tune a FI solution for them. if MM spent all his time hand holding people DIY'ing it, and figuring out the problems in their custom setups for them A: he would make no money and B: you would learn nothing about tuning a car.

I'm sick of your whining.

shaunv74

Why the eFF should MM know how to use whatever software your using to tune your car? And why should he be responsible for telling you how to use your tuning software? They told you what the settings should be.

He's not tuning your car for you so he's done his job in telling you what to set it at. How to set it is between you and your tuner and your software package.

How about you point the finger at the person responsible for tuning your car?

Charles R. Hill

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Why can't my customers all get along? Do I have to fly each and every one of you to AZ just so we can.....?

MazdaManiac

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If that is your tuning regimen, then go with it.
You certainly wouldn't be alone in adopting that philosophy.

Charles R. Hill

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Here's another thought from my cavernous cranium;

When somebody selects a given set of re-flash software or given version of EMS what have they implicitly decided?

Now, I can understand those whose perspectives are that the coil kit was marketed as a perfect plug-and-play upgrade and that I have some moral obligation based on that particular view. I have already posted up that I am willing to discuss an arrangement that can/will make both of us happy for those who are dissatisfied. What I am trying to wrestle with is what the REAL issue here is since I am well-known for having policies which make dealing with BHR a no-risk proposition.

Yes, for those who have held BHR in the highest of regards, I have disappointed all of you. For our competitors, I have given them what they think is an opportunity or a weakness they can exploit and they have wasted no time in doing so. Fine, and I really couldn't care less as my focus is taking care of my customers FIRST.

Brettus

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we are forgetting some important stuff here :

MM is back with his avatars !!!!!!

shaunv74

I suppose you could offer a tuning package with MM as an additional premium service for people that want a complete tune and want to be hands off, or they need to make adjustments on their own with their tuner based on your published recommendation for dwell time.

If people choose not to purchase it then they are on their own. Personally I don't think you can be responsible for whatever people have done tuning their car or modding their car outside your control. I think as long as you provide a solution to address the issue it's back to the customer to choose what they want to pay for or what they want to do for themselves, or go to another vendor for.

RK

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When did this turn into a discussion about what I should and shouldn't be doing? And when did I ever say I was going FI?

You might want to scroll back a bit and read. Maybe you're confusing my posts with Brettus'.

But feel free to let Kane, Brettus, r0tor, paulmasoner, etc. know that they don't have any business going FI since most of them were struggling with figuring out dwell settings in their respective engine management systems ever since -Mazsport's- ignition problems came to light. Since they still haven't figured it out they should probably all revert back to stock.

Good luck to anyone else planning on using these coils who don't subscribe to MMs service.

Easy_E1

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I concur. But that's MY personal opinion.

MazdaManiac

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I pretty sure luck has had nothing to do with the hundred or so people that have purchased this ignition system so far.
Only a small percentage of them are AP customers as well.
Even a fewer number actually need a dwell adjustment.

r0tor

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The answer is you don't get them because undercharged Yukon coils are not performing any better at all then stock ones. Just replace the factory ones for $100 once a year.

MazdaManiac

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Excellent. And that data comes from where?
Care to show us those scope traces?

Of course not.

I love sour grapes.

Jon316G

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I was curious how close to 300g/s I was so I tried it out on the way to work.
Lets just say I had to run my car a little 'hard' to get a maximum of 219g/s.
Now under normal driving conditions, I would not go above 170g/s.

I don't know **** about all this stuff, but if these guys are telling me I have nothing to worry about as long as I don't go above 300g/s, I feel pretty damn comfortable.
No way can I reach 300g/s on the streets being N/A.
And I pretty much maxed out my "power mods" for N/A for the basic user while on my 3rd MM AP tune, so anyone running N/A should have nothing to worry about.
And this is based off of what I gathered that the 5ms dwell setting is for anyone producing more than 300g/s (correct me if I'm wrong).

Brettus

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Just had a thought :
I should go down to my auto electrician and get him to find out what my dwell is at various engine rpm - from this data i should be able to modify the stock table by whatever factor is required to get the correct dwell for the coils i'm using .
Would this work MM ?

Symbioticgenius

Exactly.

When you do any mechanical changes (I.E parts) to your car, which require a tune it is the responsibility of the tuner to make adjustments.

You buy your coils, or injectors, then you go to a tuner, and pay them to tune for them. Period.

You don't buy a turbo expecting it to come with a Tune, Hell, you dont even buy an intake\exhaust combo and expect a tune, if thats the case Im waiting on mine as we speak.

End of the day, get off your lazy butts, do some runs, tune your car, and be thankful that BHR is even doing the right thing by giving you a better product free of charge

Brettus

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/after not getting an answer I just figured out that I can work all this out myself .

Wonder if I should share it with the forum ................

robrecht

What would be the compelling reason to help another person?

Brettus

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don't know - maybe someone will loan me their sister for a night or something

robrecht

Not my sister.

MazdaManiac

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Depends on the competency of the auto electrician.
If you can get actual numbers, you should be able to reverse-engineer the settings.

Dunno. Depends on if you want to deal with the beggars and those that will complain that they don't understand or that the settings don't work.
Your call.

TeamRX8

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I would loan you a goat or a sheep for 5 minutes out of my sight let alone my sister ....

Brettus

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no thanks - sheep and goats kick you in the shins all the time ...