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03-17-2013, 08:11 PM
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03-17-2013, 08:22 PM
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Well I really enjoyed my first National tour event. In the end I did not run in DSP as my car was illegal and the tires I have are endurance tires so I jumped into Andres Mazda 2. I have never really driven a front wheel drive for autocross but it was well setup so I had a blast. I coned away my best run on the first day. But did well in the LCQ getting 39th of the 180 remaining drivers, so a good show for my first time and in a strange car.
Congrats to Ruggles and Jim for 1 & 2 in STX and Michael for a very impressive 15th on overall PAX and 2nd in DSP. Also well done to everyone else who drove RX8's of which there were plenty.
Congrats to Ruggles and Jim for 1 & 2 in STX and Michael for a very impressive 15th on overall PAX and 2nd in DSP. Also well done to everyone else who drove RX8's of which there were plenty.
03-17-2013, 08:33 PM
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It was a good weekend. Car has about 35 more whp with the new engine than it did last year. Who knew the car would be that much faster with some 275 Hoosiers on my STX wheels. 295s on 17x10 would be perfect. DSP is definitely a good place for the 8.
-Mike
-Mike
03-18-2013, 03:16 PM
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Here's a picture of the header with the heat shield installed. It is loosely wrapped around the manifold - but open at the front and rear to allow some airflow when the car is moving. The tubing back toward the mid-pipe is only covered on top (maybe 60% coverage).
The material is a flexible high temperature insulation sandwiched between two very thin layers of inconel. It weighs almost nothing and seems to be very effective. This is the same material I used to wrap my catalytic converter in 2011, and that has held up surprisingly well.
Heat Master Shields
Also, if your exhaust manifold gasket is 9.5 years old, you may want to replace it as preventative maintenance. When we pulled mine off, it crumbled to pieces. It is very possible it had been leaking.
The material is a flexible high temperature insulation sandwiched between two very thin layers of inconel. It weighs almost nothing and seems to be very effective. This is the same material I used to wrap my catalytic converter in 2011, and that has held up surprisingly well.
Heat Master Shields
Also, if your exhaust manifold gasket is 9.5 years old, you may want to replace it as preventative maintenance. When we pulled mine off, it crumbled to pieces. It is very possible it had been leaking.
03-19-2013, 08:25 AM
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In this case the gasket was actually leaking. There was clear evidence that the OEM manifold gasket had failed at the center port. We had planned to use a new one all along.
Everything is 16ga T304. We had to go to 4 different suppliers to find everything 16ga. Our goal toughness over ultimate light weight. Based on my solid model, i did some weight comparisons between 16, 18 and 20 ga material. I think it was 1lb heavier in 16ga over 20ga. The heaviest part was the Racingbeat Stainless flange. That was 6lbs!
The V-Band is Burns with the rolled S321 flanges. Its a REALLY nice piece of kit. One of my buddies at work designed pressure vessels for deep sea research and he was helpful in setting out the best method for making sure the V-Band would seal and align.
Everything is 16ga T304. We had to go to 4 different suppliers to find everything 16ga. Our goal toughness over ultimate light weight. Based on my solid model, i did some weight comparisons between 16, 18 and 20 ga material. I think it was 1lb heavier in 16ga over 20ga. The heaviest part was the Racingbeat Stainless flange. That was 6lbs!
The V-Band is Burns with the rolled S321 flanges. Its a REALLY nice piece of kit. One of my buddies at work designed pressure vessels for deep sea research and he was helpful in setting out the best method for making sure the V-Band would seal and align.
03-19-2013, 09:29 AM
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Here's a picture of the header with the heat shield installed. It is loosely wrapped around the manifold - but open at the front and rear to allow some airflow when the car is moving. The tubing back toward the mid-pipe is only covered on top (maybe 60% coverage).
Attachment 193827
The material is a flexible high temperature insulation sandwiched between two very thin layers of inconel. It weighs almost nothing and seems to be very effective. This is the same material I used to wrap my catalytic converter in 2011, and that has held up surprisingly well.
Heat Master Shields
Also, if your exhaust manifold gasket is 9.5 years old, you may want to replace it as preventative maintenance. When we pulled mine off, it crumbled to pieces. It is very possible it had been leaking.
Attachment 193827
The material is a flexible high temperature insulation sandwiched between two very thin layers of inconel. It weighs almost nothing and seems to be very effective. This is the same material I used to wrap my catalytic converter in 2011, and that has held up surprisingly well.
Heat Master Shields
Also, if your exhaust manifold gasket is 9.5 years old, you may want to replace it as preventative maintenance. When we pulled mine off, it crumbled to pieces. It is very possible it had been leaking.
03-19-2013, 11:00 AM
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Thanks Jeff. The heat shield is $1 per square inch. I faxed a template over to Koolmat, and they had it built the next day. Pat (Patricia) is great to work with.
Jeff A built the header for me. The RB flange and the Burns V-band were the big ticket items. The rest of the materials weren't too bad.
Jeff A built the header for me. The RB flange and the Burns V-band were the big ticket items. The rest of the materials weren't too bad.
03-19-2013, 01:36 PM
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I work in a custom fabrication shop who specializes in complex machining, so the labor was free. Unfortunately the welding machine in our shop got all screwy lately and caused all sorts of problems during welding.
Honestly I'm not sure it would be worth doing something like this unless you had the access and know how to do it yourself. The raw material/parts added up to over 400 bucks, if you had to pay for machining, welding, etc.... it would be a big bill.
We went down this path because:
A. I'm and idiot and love to design stuff like this in the computer, so designing it was fun
B. I have access to a vast manufacturing facility and can do stuff for beer.
C. Dave asked me and he's nice enough to let me drive his car so I said why not give it a shot.
Jeff
Honestly I'm not sure it would be worth doing something like this unless you had the access and know how to do it yourself. The raw material/parts added up to over 400 bucks, if you had to pay for machining, welding, etc.... it would be a big bill.
We went down this path because:
A. I'm and idiot and love to design stuff like this in the computer, so designing it was fun
B. I have access to a vast manufacturing facility and can do stuff for beer.
C. Dave asked me and he's nice enough to let me drive his car so I said why not give it a shot.
Jeff
03-19-2013, 07:13 PM
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I work in a custom fabrication shop who specializes in complex machining, so the labor was free. Unfortunately the welding machine in our shop got all screwy lately and caused all sorts of problems during welding.
Honestly I'm not sure it would be worth doing something like this unless you had the access and know how to do it yourself. The raw material/parts added up to over 400 bucks, if you had to pay for machining, welding, etc.... it would be a big bill.
We went down this path because:
A. I'm and idiot and love to design stuff like this in the computer, so designing it was fun
B. I have access to a vast manufacturing facility and can do stuff for beer.
C. Dave asked me and he's nice enough to let me drive his car so I said why not give it a shot.
Jeff
Honestly I'm not sure it would be worth doing something like this unless you had the access and know how to do it yourself. The raw material/parts added up to over 400 bucks, if you had to pay for machining, welding, etc.... it would be a big bill.
We went down this path because:
A. I'm and idiot and love to design stuff like this in the computer, so designing it was fun
B. I have access to a vast manufacturing facility and can do stuff for beer.
C. Dave asked me and he's nice enough to let me drive his car so I said why not give it a shot.
Jeff
03-19-2013, 09:12 PM
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and to think I only built mine with a bandsaw, a drill press, and a TIG welder 
I'd recommend watching for cracks around the middle and rear port areas
any who I cancelled my entry to College Station this weekend; didn't see any point in being all stressed out and out of pocket change just to show up unprepared against only two other competitors ...
I'd recommend watching for cracks around the middle and rear port areasany who I cancelled my entry to College Station this weekend; didn't see any point in being all stressed out and out of pocket change just to show up unprepared against only two other competitors ...
03-20-2013, 08:29 AM
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Here's a picture of the header with the heat shield installed. It is loosely wrapped around the manifold - but open at the front and rear to allow some airflow when the car is moving. The tubing back toward the mid-pipe is only covered on top (maybe 60% coverage).
Attachment 193827
The material is a flexible high temperature insulation sandwiched between two very thin layers of inconel. It weighs almost nothing and seems to be very effective. This is the same material I used to wrap my catalytic converter in 2011, and that has held up surprisingly well.
Heat Master Shields
Also, if your exhaust manifold gasket is 9.5 years old, you may want to replace it as preventative maintenance. When we pulled mine off, it crumbled to pieces. It is very possible it had been leaking.
Attachment 193827
The material is a flexible high temperature insulation sandwiched between two very thin layers of inconel. It weighs almost nothing and seems to be very effective. This is the same material I used to wrap my catalytic converter in 2011, and that has held up surprisingly well.
Heat Master Shields
Also, if your exhaust manifold gasket is 9.5 years old, you may want to replace it as preventative maintenance. When we pulled mine off, it crumbled to pieces. It is very possible it had been leaking.
03-20-2013, 09:31 AM
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It's custom with an HJS cat. I can't comment on other commonly available midpipes, but I have been happy with the HJS. Good luck in STX this year. 
HJS North America, LLC: Catalytic Converters
HJS North America, LLC: Catalytic Converters
03-20-2013, 09:50 AM
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It's custom with an HJS cat. I can't comment on other commonly available midpipes, but I have been happy with the HJS. Good luck in STX this year.
HJS North America, LLC: Catalytic Converters
HJS North America, LLC: Catalytic Converters
And did it cause a CEL.
And talking about set up. I just got a set of TR motorsports 17x9 48et. not a big offset, and no tires yet, but soon 255/40/17 Federal 595 rsr
03-20-2013, 10:28 AM
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Ive read about that setup before and it seems to be the way to go. Can you recommend a good HJS cat. model number. I just dont know which one to get. I dont want to much cat. but I dont want not enough.
And did it cause a CEL.
And talking about set up. I just got a set of TR motorsports 17x9 48et. not a big offset, and no tires yet, but soon 255/40/17 Federal 595 rsr
And did it cause a CEL.
And talking about set up. I just got a set of TR motorsports 17x9 48et. not a big offset, and no tires yet, but soon 255/40/17 Federal 595 rsr
03-20-2013, 11:16 AM
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I agree, alot of people run the hankooks and star specs, I just want to try something different. I will keep an update on how the federal's are doing as my friend progresses through the season and get mine also.
03-20-2013, 11:21 AM
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I don't think I've seen any federal tires on course before. Most people run the other tires because they really are faster, but if the cost savings is worth giving up a little, go for it. I'd be interested to see what you think.
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03-20-2013, 11:59 AM
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I think alot of what I need is seat time first. And really after cost of shipping the rs3 are the same price. I just wanted to try something new, and now that you mention it. the person Ive seen with the federals is my friend. well Ill keep you guys updated on performance and durability.