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Well I apologize for my part in those exchanges and will try to be more reserved going forward.
So I’m more than confident that the corner light being outside the wheelhub plane is included in the tire clearancing rule and will get that clarified. Just so we’re clear, it’s 1.64 oz. The sheetmetal we’re allowed to cut out has a much larger magnitude.
After I get a clarification confirmation, then the gloves come off and the sawzall comes out. I might put the Lions/RocketVanya flares on or maybe just let it hang out. Which this flare completely covers that area anyway
I submitted an SEB clarification request for the tire/corner light clearancing; this is really beyond stupid. The allowance very specifically allows cutting outside the hub face plane without limitation as long as it's for tire clearance.
Ok, I went back and reviewed this. For the 2004-2005 cars, which mine is a 2005 that falls within the production date, there was a TSB revising this assembly as part no N3Y1-13-S80A and renamed as Ventilation Kit. Which you can verify yourself on Mazda Motorsports or just googling it:
This is clearly part of the intake/emissions system per all of the Mazda literature. So I’m not filing for a clarification on the modifications made for this, which is heavier than OE anyway and zero performance advantage. If you disagree put your money where your complaining mouth is and we’ll settle it in the protest shed.
Originally Posted by TeamRX8
Well it’s called an “oil filler pipe”; which it has to be given a name for general purposes, but it also has the intake valve control electro-mechanical system and listed as part of the intake system as well as the part of the PCV emissions system; hose connection between it and the accordion tube.
So if you go back to some past rulings; such as the clarification of the plastic “radiator” shroud for the CAI, it is specifically listed as being part of the manufacturers intake manifold parts description/listing; both in the service manual and also the parts documentation/listing. It is not listed as being part of the engine oiling system or any other system.
15.10.C also states “If an induction system item is allowed to be removed and its original mounting bracket can be removed by simply unbolting it, the bracket may be removed as well.”. Which said part also serves as a mounting bracket for heavy TB end of the manifold system.
So there’s no secrets going on here with this. I’ve been open about it from the very beginning starting back in 2015, just was delayed executing it. I’m not going to argue with anyone here over it either per the previous post, so don’t bother trying. I’m just putting it out for you to see what might not have been clear in the previous assembled engine bay photos about 2 months back.
This mounts to the engine flange/studs just like the OE ventilation kit part, except I incorporated the coil mounting bracket on top of it, and using way overkill 3/8” aluminum plate so that I could just tap it without using helicoil inserts. The OE plastic parts are all lighter, including the UIM aluminum elbow/TB flange mod. This same ignition bracket will also work with the OE ventilation kit part too, I just have to convert the vent tube hole to a rearward slot so that it will slide on and mount exactly the same as what is seen in these photos. In addition to the mounting plate, these IGN-1A coils easily weigh at least 2x more than the D585 coils.
The UIM and coils will stay regardless and the other part is squat for difference, but I’m not going to take anyone filing the paperwork over it personally. Do whatever you think is necessary. Again, this is for full disclosure; no secrets, tricks, or intentional cheats going on here.
The intake and exhaust manifolds are no limitation, but as far as the irons go you’re only allowed to port 1” deep from the port/manifold interface for matching purposes. On the Renesis you can additionally port the rotating auxiliary port sleeve because it’s considered part of the manifold, but not the port itself beyond the previously noted limitation. However don’t make the mistake of the auxiliary sleeve being within one inch of the iron port opening into the rotor housing as fair game. Even though it’s an extension of the intake manifold, actual inlet or exhaust porting is specifically not allowed beyond the matching allowance.
T. Intake and exhaust ports and manifold openings may be matched provided no change is made more than one inch from the port/manifold interface. Material may be removed to facilitate port matching, but no material may be added.
But again, because if the uniqueness of the Renesis manifold auxiliary ports some understanding and caution is needed. This was addressed in a Prepared clarification with the SEB that I submitted maybe 6 or 7 years ago.
So with the engine out & away I took some time off to build out a mountain bike frame that had been sitting in the corner for 9 months. The never ending list of unfinished projects, lol.
I received a notice that the fender clearancing clarification request will be addressed in the next Fasttrack. Since I’m not that active hadn’t heard what the opinion is yet ...
I can’t ever recall an opinion coming back on the Hydramat filter? Or I thought Tamra or somebody submitted it. Maybe that’s coming out next month too?
I can’t ever recall an opinion coming back on the Hydramat filter? Or I thought Tamra or somebody submitted it. Maybe that’s coming out next month too?
so I received word that a clarification is being issued in the upcoming Fastrack (likely the next week or so) more or less stating that a corner light in the allowed tire clearancing zone (outside the hub-face plane) can also be modified. I’m sorry that it was such a contentious subject for some people, but hope this will put it to rest now.
Originally Posted by TeamRX8
Well I apologize for my part in those exchanges and will try to be more reserved going forward.
So I’m more than confident that the corner light being outside the wheelhub plane is included in the tire clearancing rule and will get that clarified. Just so we’re clear, it’s 1.64 oz (non-USDM clear corner). The sheetmetal we’re allowed to cut out has a much larger magnitude.
After I get a clarification confirmation, then the gloves come off and the sawzall comes out. I might put the Lions/RocketVanya flares on or maybe just let it hang out. Which this flare completely covers that area anyway
Who knows, maybe 12” and 335s even
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
Oops, my bad. That was the import clear corner. This is the USDM orange corner; 1.36 oz.
Thanks. Guess I checked a day too early and haven’t received the email notice yet.
Street Prepared Category
#27482 Tire Clearance Allowance for Mazda RX-8
Corner lights which are integrated into bodywork which is allowed to be modified per 15.2.A, and is in the path of the tire, may be modified for tire clearance along with the fender/bumper/hood.
so reading the wording, is “cut off/deleted/unplugged and removed” included in the definition of “modified”?
Looks like I need to request a clarification of the clarification
I was surprised to not see the hydramat clarification in the Fastrack. It's possible the SEB didn't finish with it but it went up at the same time as other stuff that was in this one, so it's confusing to me.
I've gotten a lot of public and personal comments about the Type-R. I was honestly pretty surprised about that, since on paper it doesn't look any better than some other FWD stuff in DSP.
Regarding the corner light. During the call my argument was "the light is part of the fender / bumper which is allowed to be clearanced as necessary to fit the tire." Given that you can remove material from the bumper and the fender as needed to clear the tire, outside the vertical plane of the hub, but you can't remove THE WHOLE FENDER... use your judgement. If the light in its entirety needs to be removed to clear the tire, then go for it. I don't think it does, personally, from what I see on my car. And the modifications to make to it are easy and minor.
I wasn’t really serious. The clarification affirms what has always been my understanding of the allowance. I only submitted it for the benefit of others ...
I just got a notice on Forgestar wheels being discounted with a $400 instant rebate and then an additional $40/wheel ($560 total for a set of four wheels). I’m not sure if all the Forgestar reps have the same deal or not, but this was through Vorshlag
09-13-2019, 09:37 PM
I only submitted it for the benefit of others ...
