judge ito ran 14.5!
11-18-2003, 07:48 AM
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Originally posted by RussellP
not to mention hes said millions of times that production 8's arent nearly as fast as the ones the magazines tested. Total B.S.
not to mention hes said millions of times that production 8's arent nearly as fast as the ones the magazines tested. Total B.S.
The majority are not coming anywhere near 14.5@96.. the best yet was a 14.6@92 with racing gas and power shifting on a car with above average dyno results.. 80%++ of everybody should be running 14.5 or near it, consumer reports just tested the RX8 and they ran a 15.2 1/4 and a 0-60 of 6.7 which is what the typical result IS. Get over it, its not a 14.5 1/4 car anymore, its a 15.0 car. Not a big deal, but stop being so blind to the truth!!
So flame away, this is the truth but most of you people rather live in a fantasy world, heck Mazda even told you the HP is not the same as pre-production, how the heck could they be as FAST with less HP???
Think of a bell curve (if you don't know what it is, i am not going to explain):
Take the magazine time as the top of the bell curve, or the median.. Most will fall in around the mag times, and fewer will run better and fewer will run worse the the average.. Does it seem like 14.5 would be the median? Since most are running around 15.0+??? Absolutlely not, 15.0 would be the middle ground and the 14.6 would be in the minority as would the 15.4 times..
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11-18-2003, 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by Judge Ito
here is the runs.
R/T .358
60. 2.17
330. 6.07
1/8. 9.35
MPH 75.64
1000. 12.17
1/4. 14.57
MPH. 94.07
R/T. .455
60.1.98
330. 5.98
1/8. 9.29
MPH. 76.03
1000. 12..09
1/4. 14.66
MPH. 93.33
In this last run I missed the fourth gear shift really bad. to the point where the engine hit the rev limiter 2 times and still pulled a 14.6 I feel this run would have landed a 14.3 run. to be continue. My Rx8 is still bone stock.
here is the runs.
R/T .358
60. 2.17
330. 6.07
1/8. 9.35
MPH 75.64
1000. 12.17
1/4. 14.57
MPH. 94.07
R/T. .455
60.1.98
330. 5.98
1/8. 9.29
MPH. 76.03
1000. 12..09
1/4. 14.66
MPH. 93.33
In this last run I missed the fourth gear shift really bad. to the point where the engine hit the rev limiter 2 times and still pulled a 14.6 I feel this run would have landed a 14.3 run. to be continue. My Rx8 is still bone stock.
11-18-2003, 06:45 PM
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Originally posted by 350z Driver
How is that BS??
The majority are not coming anywhere near 14.5@96.. the best yet was a 14.6@92 with racing gas and power shifting on a car with above average dyno results.. 80%++ of everybody should be running 14.5 or near it, consumer reports just tested the RX8 and they ran a 15.2 1/4 and a 0-60 of 6.7 which is what the typical result IS. Get over it, its not a 14.5 1/4 car anymore, its a 15.0 car. Not a big deal, but stop being so blind to the truth!!
So flame away, this is the truth but most of you people rather live in a fantasy world, heck Mazda even told you the HP is not the same as pre-production, how the heck could they be as FAST with less HP???
Think of a bell curve (if you don't know what it is, i am not going to explain):
Take the magazine time as the top of the bell curve, or the median.. Most will fall in around the mag times, and fewer will run better and fewer will run worse the the average.. Does it seem like 14.5 would be the median? Since most are running around 15.0+??? Absolutlely not, 15.0 would be the middle ground and the 14.6 would be in the minority as would the 15.4 times..
How is that BS??
The majority are not coming anywhere near 14.5@96.. the best yet was a 14.6@92 with racing gas and power shifting on a car with above average dyno results.. 80%++ of everybody should be running 14.5 or near it, consumer reports just tested the RX8 and they ran a 15.2 1/4 and a 0-60 of 6.7 which is what the typical result IS. Get over it, its not a 14.5 1/4 car anymore, its a 15.0 car. Not a big deal, but stop being so blind to the truth!!
So flame away, this is the truth but most of you people rather live in a fantasy world, heck Mazda even told you the HP is not the same as pre-production, how the heck could they be as FAST with less HP???
Think of a bell curve (if you don't know what it is, i am not going to explain):
Take the magazine time as the top of the bell curve, or the median.. Most will fall in around the mag times, and fewer will run better and fewer will run worse the the average.. Does it seem like 14.5 would be the median? Since most are running around 15.0+??? Absolutlely not, 15.0 would be the middle ground and the 14.6 would be in the minority as would the 15.4 times..
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Originally posted by RussellP
you got 14.5 but you killed your car so it kinda discredits it
you got 14.5 but you killed your car so it kinda discredits it
11-19-2003, 08:10 AM
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Originally posted by Judge Ito
It ran 14.5 with me in it, That same day I had a better run it the car but it didn't happened
It ran 14.5 with me in it, That same day I had a better run it the car but it didn't happened
. Let drive and dial in every single Rx 8 and Ill garranty 14.5 runs or better bone stock. [/B]
I have personally seen quite a few RX8's at the track run between 15.0-15.5@90-92 mph, with 60 foot times between 2.0-2.3 and this is in perfect 45-50 degree conditions at sea level. And the key to this is the low MPH, no matter what the launch (unless its really really bad) the trap speed is a good indication of horsepower and ET potential and 92mph is not promising.
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Originally posted by labrat1123
Jesus Christ some people are never happy....
On the left slip, I'm car 579 (tower must have read it wrong.) On the right, I'm 379 (correct number). No those times at the top are not typos.... 5 hours between 2 qualifying runs. That's how packed MIR was that day (not to mention the nice delay when the old school Chevelle ate the right wall at half track and actually moved the wall..prompting a visit from the tractor.)
I do agree with Ike (this will not be a habit) that it is puzzling that I went half a second faster with a worse 60 foot. Only difference I remember was I shifted at 9000 rpm on the second run instead of 9500.
Jesus Christ some people are never happy....
On the left slip, I'm car 579 (tower must have read it wrong.) On the right, I'm 379 (correct number). No those times at the top are not typos.... 5 hours between 2 qualifying runs. That's how packed MIR was that day (not to mention the nice delay when the old school Chevelle ate the right wall at half track and actually moved the wall..prompting a visit from the tractor.)
I do agree with Ike (this will not be a habit) that it is puzzling that I went half a second faster with a worse 60 foot. Only difference I remember was I shifted at 9000 rpm on the second run instead of 9500.
14.986 rounds to 15.0, not 14.9.
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I dont even care about this but I just had to laugh.
So, you dont beleive the mag driver has 15 years experience, knows how to pw\ower shift and can squeeze the best time outta the car?
Must be little Jimmy, home from school who they give the cars to do the track testing on.
Is it just me or is this nitpicking just a bot over the top?
So, you dont beleive the mag driver has 15 years experience, knows how to pw\ower shift and can squeeze the best time outta the car?
Must be little Jimmy, home from school who they give the cars to do the track testing on.
Is it just me or is this nitpicking just a bot over the top?
Originally posted by 350z Driver
Key word, "didn't happen"
I would bet my bank account that they don't. You ran a 14.6 at only 94mph with lots of advantages and now your car is done for.. If it takes racing fuel, powershifting, a perfect launch and a 15 year veteran of drag racing to get within a tenth of what the mag ran and you can say that everybody can run a 14.5 bone stock is the stupidist thing I had ever heard and if you believe that I got a bridge to sell ya. People that will believe that are just too mindless to see the truth or just refuse to believe it.
Key word, "didn't happen"
I would bet my bank account that they don't. You ran a 14.6 at only 94mph with lots of advantages and now your car is done for.. If it takes racing fuel, powershifting, a perfect launch and a 15 year veteran of drag racing to get within a tenth of what the mag ran and you can say that everybody can run a 14.5 bone stock is the stupidist thing I had ever heard and if you believe that I got a bridge to sell ya. People that will believe that are just too mindless to see the truth or just refuse to believe it.
11-19-2003, 11:49 AM
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I dont even care about this but I just had to laugh.
So, you dont beleive the mag driver has 15 years experience, knows how to pw\ower shift and can squeeze the best time outta the car?
Must be little Jimmy, home from school who they give the cars to do the track testing on.
Is it just me or is this nitpicking just a bot over the top?
I dont even care about this but I just had to laugh.
So, you dont beleive the mag driver has 15 years experience, knows how to pw\ower shift and can squeeze the best time outta the car?
Must be little Jimmy, home from school who they give the cars to do the track testing on.
Is it just me or is this nitpicking just a bot over the top?
You people will never listen to reason, its sad. 90-94mph traps are not good, thats in the Celica GTS, RSX-S range. But its ok, maybe you will realize this when you have a hard time beating your average V6 sedan off the line, like that guy that said he couldn't overtake a solara from a light.
Its hopeless, none of you know enough about cars to realize this is a fact. And if anybody is in the Boston area wants line up with my friend's stock 2004 Pontiac GTP i'd love to set it up, he runs 15.0 Flat and my moneys on him.
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Originally posted by labrat1123
Jesus Christ some people are never happy....
On the left slip, I'm car 579 (tower must have read it wrong.) On the right, I'm 379 (correct number). No those times at the top are not typos.... 5 hours between 2 qualifying runs. That's how packed MIR was that day (not to mention the nice delay when the old school Chevelle ate the right wall at half track and actually moved the wall..prompting a visit from the tractor.)
I do agree with Ike (this will not be a habit) that it is puzzling that I went half a second faster with a worse 60 foot. Only difference I remember was I shifted at 9000 rpm on the second run instead of 9500.
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14.986 rounds to 15.0, not 14.9.
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Originally posted by labrat1123
Jesus Christ some people are never happy....
On the left slip, I'm car 579 (tower must have read it wrong.) On the right, I'm 379 (correct number). No those times at the top are not typos.... 5 hours between 2 qualifying runs. That's how packed MIR was that day (not to mention the nice delay when the old school Chevelle ate the right wall at half track and actually moved the wall..prompting a visit from the tractor.)
I do agree with Ike (this will not be a habit) that it is puzzling that I went half a second faster with a worse 60 foot. Only difference I remember was I shifted at 9000 rpm on the second run instead of 9500.
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14.986 rounds to 15.0, not 14.9.
Hey. I was there that day. Cold a sh*t out in the stands. I watched you make the faster run.
Who was in the other RX-8 that made passes that day and what were his times?
Mine was safely parked in the show area. :p
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Well you got one thing right. I dont know enough about this specific aspect of cars to say anything. But the reason for that is I just dont care!
Weee!
If yer buddy is ever here in Miami he can come race me all day and beat me too! Hell, you come one down and beat my pants off.
Everybody that dont have an 8, come to miami and beat my pants off racing. We'll make it a big event.
Weee!
If yer buddy is ever here in Miami he can come race me all day and beat me too! Hell, you come one down and beat my pants off.
Everybody that dont have an 8, come to miami and beat my pants off racing. We'll make it a big event.
Originally posted by 350z Driver
My first time ever drag racing I ran a 14.1@100.56 with a 2.3 60' in my Z. FIRST TIME and I did as good or better then the magazines. Why do you need to be a drag superstar with racing fuel to get a 14.6 in an RX8?
You people will never listen to reason, its sad. 90-94mph traps are not good, thats in the Celica GTS, RSX-S range. But its ok, maybe you will realize this when you have a hard time beating your average V6 sedan off the line, like that guy that said he couldn't overtake a solara from a light.
Its hopeless, none of you know enough about cars to realize this is a fact. And if anybody is in the Boston area wants line up with my friend's stock 2004 Pontiac GTP i'd love to set it up, he runs 15.0 Flat and my moneys on him.
My first time ever drag racing I ran a 14.1@100.56 with a 2.3 60' in my Z. FIRST TIME and I did as good or better then the magazines. Why do you need to be a drag superstar with racing fuel to get a 14.6 in an RX8?
You people will never listen to reason, its sad. 90-94mph traps are not good, thats in the Celica GTS, RSX-S range. But its ok, maybe you will realize this when you have a hard time beating your average V6 sedan off the line, like that guy that said he couldn't overtake a solara from a light.
Its hopeless, none of you know enough about cars to realize this is a fact. And if anybody is in the Boston area wants line up with my friend's stock 2004 Pontiac GTP i'd love to set it up, he runs 15.0 Flat and my moneys on him.
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I have said it before, and I'll say it again.
I will have more fun getting beat in my RX-8, than anyone will have beating me in their 350Z.
Unlike most Z owners, I and most RX-8 owners were able to test drive the Z before purchasing and buying our 8's. Now some Z owners know they got hosed, and their buzzing around and hanging their hats on one little facet (raw speed), where the Z has an edge. Its a very common and predictable rationalization and compensation technique weak minds play on their owners. I was hoping that reality would set in, and they would learn to accept their decision and enjoy their nice cars. It appears there are a few that need more bashing down of others to pull them out of their depression.
I will have more fun getting beat in my RX-8, than anyone will have beating me in their 350Z.
Unlike most Z owners, I and most RX-8 owners were able to test drive the Z before purchasing and buying our 8's. Now some Z owners know they got hosed, and their buzzing around and hanging their hats on one little facet (raw speed), where the Z has an edge. Its a very common and predictable rationalization and compensation technique weak minds play on their owners. I was hoping that reality would set in, and they would learn to accept their decision and enjoy their nice cars. It appears there are a few that need more bashing down of others to pull them out of their depression.
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Originally posted by 350z Driver
You people will never listen to reason, its sad.
You people will never listen to reason, its sad.
I agree that a normal driver (like me) is hard (or impossible) to get the magazine time 14.5 for 1/4 mile.
8 has better chance to beat z on autox or roads w/ a lot of curves. Do you agree, 350z Driver?
11-19-2003, 05:40 PM
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Originally posted by donald121
I will listen to you.
I agree that a normal driver (like me) is hard (or impossible) to get the magazine time 14.5 for 1/4 mile.
8 has better chance to beat z on autox or roads w/ a lot of curves. Do you agree, 350z Driver?
I will listen to you.
I agree that a normal driver (like me) is hard (or impossible) to get the magazine time 14.5 for 1/4 mile.
8 has better chance to beat z on autox or roads w/ a lot of curves. Do you agree, 350z Driver?
Don't get me wrong I am not bashing the RX8 at ALL, I really like them (with the exception of the low gas mileage and low power rating combo, low gas mileage is ok if you got 300+ HP). I deffinatly think that the RX8's interior is of a higher quality then my Z but IMO both are styled very nicly as far as in interior and i'm sure the RX8 is a more friendly everyday driver. But I am 25 and have owned nothing but sports cars right from my high school days so I couldn't care less about the ride or fitting 4 passangers, I have friends with cars to do driving if needed
11-19-2003, 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by 350z Driver
Key word, "didn't happen"
I would bet my bank account that they don't. You ran a 14.6 at only 94mph with lots of advantages and now your car is done for.. If it takes racing fuel, powershifting, a perfect launch and a 15 year veteran of drag racing to get within a tenth of what the mag ran and you can say that everybody can run a 14.5 bone stock is the stupidist thing I had ever heard and if you believe that I got a bridge to sell ya. People that will believe that are just too mindless to see the truth or just refuse to believe it.
I have personally seen quite a few RX8's at the track run between 15.0-15.5@90-92 mph, with 60 foot times between 2.0-2.3 and this is in perfect 45-50 degree conditions at sea level. And the key to this is the low MPH, no matter what the launch (unless its really really bad) the trap speed is a good indication of horsepower and ET potential and 92mph is not promising.
Key word, "didn't happen"
I would bet my bank account that they don't. You ran a 14.6 at only 94mph with lots of advantages and now your car is done for.. If it takes racing fuel, powershifting, a perfect launch and a 15 year veteran of drag racing to get within a tenth of what the mag ran and you can say that everybody can run a 14.5 bone stock is the stupidist thing I had ever heard and if you believe that I got a bridge to sell ya. People that will believe that are just too mindless to see the truth or just refuse to believe it.
I have personally seen quite a few RX8's at the track run between 15.0-15.5@90-92 mph, with 60 foot times between 2.0-2.3 and this is in perfect 45-50 degree conditions at sea level. And the key to this is the low MPH, no matter what the launch (unless its really really bad) the trap speed is a good indication of horsepower and ET potential and 92mph is not promising.
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350Z would be a fun car to drive if you didnt have to brake so hard on every turn. Its just not designed for curves. In a straightline its ok but gets whooped by the Evo, STi, S2K, even the dodge neon i think. The exterior i always thought was ugly, but its sorta grown on me. The inside sucks, the ride sucks, the price sucks, the handling is lame.....only advantage it has on the 8 is in a straight line where its far from the benchmark. Sucks to be a 350Z owner now that the 8 is out....
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Originally posted by 350z Driver
Well I have seen quite a few lap times from Japan and the USA with pro drivers on several different race courses and the RX8's lap times were quite far behind the 350z. And the overall grip advantage the RX8 has over the 350z is so small its really not even a factor and in some cases the 350z measured higher G's then the RX8.
Well I have seen quite a few lap times from Japan and the USA with pro drivers on several different race courses and the RX8's lap times were quite far behind the 350z. And the overall grip advantage the RX8 has over the 350z is so small its really not even a factor and in some cases the 350z measured higher G's then the RX8.
When did z beat 8 in US race courses? Are those race courses with a lot of curves?
P.S. I'm just curious, not trying to argue with you.
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Originally posted by 350z Driver
Well I have seen quite a few lap times from Japan and the USA with pro drivers on several different race courses and the RX8's lap times were quite far behind the 350z. And the overall grip advantage the RX8 has over the 350z is so small its really not even a factor and in some cases the 350z measured higher G's then the RX8.
Don't get me wrong I am not bashing the RX8 at ALL, I really like them (with the exception of the low gas mileage and low power rating combo, low gas mileage is ok if you got 300+ HP). I deffinatly think that the RX8's interior is of a higher quality then my Z but IMO both are styled very nicly as far as in interior and i'm sure the RX8 is a more friendly everyday driver. But I am 25 and have owned nothing but sports cars right from my high school days so I couldn't care less about the ride or fitting 4 passangers, I have friends with cars to do driving if needed
Well I have seen quite a few lap times from Japan and the USA with pro drivers on several different race courses and the RX8's lap times were quite far behind the 350z. And the overall grip advantage the RX8 has over the 350z is so small its really not even a factor and in some cases the 350z measured higher G's then the RX8.
Don't get me wrong I am not bashing the RX8 at ALL, I really like them (with the exception of the low gas mileage and low power rating combo, low gas mileage is ok if you got 300+ HP). I deffinatly think that the RX8's interior is of a higher quality then my Z but IMO both are styled very nicly as far as in interior and i'm sure the RX8 is a more friendly everyday driver. But I am 25 and have owned nothing but sports cars right from my high school days so I couldn't care less about the ride or fitting 4 passangers, I have friends with cars to do driving if needed
I downloaded a Video here that featured the Z33 (modified 350z) and RX8 and a couple of others. The rx8 won inspite of producing slightly longer lap times than the z. In road racing lap times only count in qualifying ....The first one accross the finish line wins . The RX8 won. Do a search 350z Driver..... please check that video.
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350Z driver, you can't have it both ways. First you tell us we can't use magazine 1/4 mile figures, then you quote magazine track races.
Go to any regional autox results page and you will see the RX-8 consistently beating times of the 350Z (when you can find a 350Z driver stupid enough to try and compete). 350Z's at autox have dried up, there were a lot two to three months ago, and they were no where close to competitive. You tell me where they all went. RX-8's are out there competing with everything in all stock classes.
I just joined a 350Z forum and I am about to start posting autox results with the z's getting their bumpers handed to them, consistently when they decide to run. Face it, you bought a single dimesional car in a multi-dimensional world. The only place you can compete is on the WWW.
Go to any regional autox results page and you will see the RX-8 consistently beating times of the 350Z (when you can find a 350Z driver stupid enough to try and compete). 350Z's at autox have dried up, there were a lot two to three months ago, and they were no where close to competitive. You tell me where they all went. RX-8's are out there competing with everything in all stock classes.
I just joined a 350Z forum and I am about to start posting autox results with the z's getting their bumpers handed to them, consistently when they decide to run. Face it, you bought a single dimesional car in a multi-dimensional world. The only place you can compete is on the WWW.
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handles like a dump truck in comparison to the 8. STi and evo are faster cheaper and outhandle the Z. Its actually the least worthwhile sports car between the 8, S2K, Evo, STi, Neon.
handles like a dump truck in comparison to the 8. STi and evo are faster cheaper and outhandle the Z. Its actually the least worthwhile sports car between the 8, S2K, Evo, STi, Neon.
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